DRB, Glad to have you back. Hope you are doing well. As for me, it’s been a rough couple of years but seem to be finally improving and getting back to feeling pretty good. I don’t know what RDZ is up to. He comes and goes, but people seem to really like it when he comes back and posts. He livens things up, gets some good discussion going.

Where are you Raindoggie? If you are lurking, come out and post something!

Are “we” arguing, here, with another atheist?…agnosti?…theist?… or WHAT?
…cee cee?
Just wondering. It “sounds” more like you’re trolling here.

ChuckA, good catch. I didn’t catch that first time around. Yeah, what are you cee cee? What side are you on? I was wondering why so much argument from another atheist. Little slips like “they” make me wonder.

As to Martin Luther King Jr…where’s the comparison? He represented the readily accepted, and all too common, religious Power structure in the Black community…Christian based…not the most hated group of people in American society.

Another great point, ChuckA. MLK Jr was well-respected by many and had a large following of God botherers.

Now what THEY need to do is turn it into something THEY can use. Maybe THEY should think about going on Olbermann’s show and talk about it. It could turn into a win win situation.”

Hey, folks…
Are “we” arguing, here, with another atheist?…agnosti?…theist?… or WHAT?
…cee cee?
Just wondering. It “sounds” more like you’re trolling here.
For me, it’s not a “they”, “they’re”, or “their”…it’s “WE”, “WE’RE, or “OUR”…a somewhat major point, considering who WE are, here at GifS. I’m a bit reluctant to enter into any argument here…or arguments in general.
I could be wrong…but it occurred to me that something was being overlooked in the current…”mellay” [donnybrook?]

Backing up a bit…
cee cee:
“Hmm I wonder if Martin Luther King Jr and the others that marched for civil rights remain anonymous would there have been a civil rights movement? If gays, lesbians, and transgenders weren’t out there voicing the opinions for their rights would we have a LGBT movement?”

As to Martin Luther King Jr…where’s the comparison? He represented the readily accepted, and all too common, religious Power structure in the Black community…Christian based…not the most hated group of people in American society. As to anonymity…even the gay movement started off with mostly annoymous demonstrations…people who hadn’t really OFFICIALLY “come out of the closet”; and even the most conservative families had gays amongst them; much more readily admitted, than ever would admit that there were atheists amongst them.
Remember Anita Bryant and Phyllis Schlafly? Nobody even mentioned the SUBJECT of atheism, in those days.
Also…remember Madalyn Murray O’Hair?…the so-called “most hated person in America” back in the 1960s; and we all know what happened to her…or do we? Hardly a mention was ever made about her strange disappearance, etc.,at the time. Not many people generally cared what happened to her, I’d say…and there’s never been any sympathy for atheists…EVER!
Almost everyone who was Liberal in the 1960s backed the Civil Rights Movement…I certainly did…not so with anybody remotely connected with atheism; a movement which really didn’t exist until recently, with the advent of the Internet; and Dawkins, Harris, etc.

Anyhoo!…time will tell if Keith will turn out to be more sympathetic to OUR movement. In the meantime, for other obvious reasons, I’ll continue to watch his…and Rachel’s show.

That’s a probably reason. Needed a filler for whatever reason he hadn’t found someone more “worthy” of the “honors”.

But why does have to show a more positive light on the atheist campaign? Because you want him to?

That would be nice. Yes.

so I don’t understand him being a former sports announcer has to do with him being not so smart(in your opinion). Unless you’re trying to say sports announcer are not smart?

Sports announcers are television personalities. Do you have to be smart to be a sports announcer? No…just look at some of the announcers and how they speak. Sports is basically entertainment. News programs are newsertainment. News reporters/anchors etc are television personalities. Because Olbermann is this crazed person who rants every day on television and says what a bunch of people want to hear in an extremely irate manner, they think he is a genius. He’s not. Check out his background. What I am saying is that his educational background isn’t that great, when compared to Rachel Maddow, for instance who is a Rhodes Scholar, and she has a PhD in Political Science. Too many people worship television personalities and take what they have to say as absolute. Sometimes, no matter how educated, they are human and make mistakes. Once in awhile they even admit it and publish or air a retraction.

Now what they need to do is turn it into something they can use. Maybe they should think about going on Olbermann’s show and talk about it. It could turn into a win win situation.

Well, there’s a good idea. But slim chance that will ever happen.

I think the atheist campaign is probably happy that Olbermann did feature their cause on his show even if it was negative attention.

Not from the feedback I have been reading. Commentors at most atheist blogs I have been reading aren’t too happy with him right now.

They got free press (on the air) and have people talking about it.

Like I said, yes…they have them talking about what a negative thing to do to the atheist campaign when it’s getting negative criticism from non-atheists as it is.

I don’t know if Olbermann is an atheist or Christan, Catholic, or whatever he practices or doesn’t practice. But why does have to show a more positive light on the atheist campaign? Because you want him to?

I’ve been watching his show for some time now and he has never shied away from where he first started at in his t.v career, so I don’t understand him being a former sports announcer has to do with him being not so smart(in your opinion). Unless you’re trying to say sports announcer are not smart? Which I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that’s not what you’re saying.

I think the atheist campaign is probably happy that Olbermann did feature their cause on his show even if it was negative attention. They got free press (on the air) and have people talking about it.

Now what they need to do is turn it into something they can use. Maybe they should think about going on Olbermann’s show and talk about it. It could turn into a win win situation.

I am sure there were many people who contributed to Martin Luther King Jr.’s mission who remained anonymous for various reasons. I am sure there are people who support other movements who must remain anonymous for their own safety and for the safety of their families. Some people are braver than others, but it doesn’t mean that the ones who are still afraid to “come out” don’t have anything to contribute.

I didn’t address the item you are referring to in your comment because people have stated that before in previous comments (about being afraid that wackos will come after him)…and I said to please review what everyone else has written. A face, in some instances only detracts from the message. It may even backfire on the donor and if he or she is a public official and doesn’t get re-elected because of it, that would also be bad for the atheist movement.

I stand my my opinion that Olbermann actually did a disservice to the message of the atheist “out campaign” and didn’t help it at all. I can’t see how dissing the donor did anything but to bring NEGATIVE attention to atheists.

Olbermann could have brought up the atheist campaign in a more positive light. He simply wasn’t thinking. Olbermann isn’t as smart as some people think he is. (check his background…he was a sports announcer for years…he is simply a tv personality). He is also human and can make a mistake once in awhile.