Comments on: Well, Whaddya Know? http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Naomi http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420720 Naomi Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:14:45 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420720 And I still maintain that one gets more realistic life guidance when one leaves gord and jeebus out of it. After all, it's a huge conflict of interest, isn't it? How do you keep brand-loyalty if you give the best advice? I always resented my pastor throwing Ephesians and Philipians at me. I just wasn't made in the meek-wife modality. And I still maintain that one gets more realistic life guidance when one leaves gord and jeebus out of it. After all, it’s a huge conflict of interest, isn’t it? How do you keep brand-loyalty if you give the best advice? I always resented my pastor throwing Ephesians and Philipians at me. I just wasn’t made in the meek-wife modality.

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By: Naomi http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420718 Naomi Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:29:42 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420718 This may be minor (except in MY book!), but we should also consider the destruction of the "social safety net" which has morphed into "faith-based initiatives", thank you very fucking much, George Walker Bush. Of course, he didn't think of it -- he just implemented it. What a tool! Can anybody disprove my suspicion that much of that money went into BigBox Churches-on-Steroids? BUT how the might have fallen. Two years ago, five of the behemoths were being completed every month. Now? Revenues have fallen and they're late with their payments! And the construction bond-holders are worried. Hah! This may be minor (except in MY book!), but we should also consider the destruction of the “social safety net” which has morphed into “faith-based initiatives”, thank you very fucking much, George Walker Bush. Of course, he didn’t think of it — he just implemented it. What a tool!

Can anybody disprove my suspicion that much of that money went into BigBox Churches-on-Steroids?

BUT how the might have fallen. Two years ago, five of the behemoths were being completed every month. Now? Revenues have fallen and they’re late with their payments! And the construction bond-holders are worried.

Hah!

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By: Fritzy http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420651 Fritzy Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:03:34 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420651 Sebastian; Actually there was an article in Free Inquiry magazine about this--and I've heard it hypothesized in other places. In nations that are more atheistic, such as the Northern European nations named in this article, there is a stronger social safety-net. People feel safer and more secure. In nations, such as the US, where there is no guarantees of social welfare, people tend to, the hypothesis goes, turn to whatever "next-best thing" they can grasp to--for many people, that is the hope that religion offers them. In my opinion, of course, it is a second option that pales in comparison--truly an "opiate of the masses." It eases anxiety to a certain extent, but certainly not the source of that anxiety. Religion treats the symptoms while social safety nets attack the problem itself. Sebastian;

Actually there was an article in Free Inquiry magazine about this–and I’ve heard it hypothesized in other places. In nations that are more atheistic, such as the Northern European nations named in this article, there is a stronger social safety-net. People feel safer and more secure. In nations, such as the US, where there is no guarantees of social welfare, people tend to, the hypothesis goes, turn to whatever “next-best thing” they can grasp to–for many people, that is the hope that religion offers them.

In my opinion, of course, it is a second option that pales in comparison–truly an “opiate of the masses.” It eases anxiety to a certain extent, but certainly not the source of that anxiety. Religion treats the symptoms while social safety nets attack the problem itself.

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By: Naomi http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420633 Naomi Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:00:40 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420633 Excellent, Sebastian! Since throwing off the burden of pretending to be a xian and admitting that I had NEVER believed in gord, heaven/hell, etc., I've been more at peace with myself. However, the tension comes from living here in Tennessee. Even on the road, I encounter the same shit: in-your-face flaunting of delusional disorder. There is a weirdness about xian truckers -- blowing down the road at 75mph or more, cutting in and out of traffic, taking chances saner drivers won't. And what does it say on the door? "Safety is of the Lard" Huh? Jeebus is not only their co-pilot, he's their security blanket and lucky rabbit's foot. Of course, if they get into an accident, Jeebus won't know them. And neither will their employers and/or their insurers. Hah! They deserve to be crucified! *deep breaths* I'm okay now... Excellent, Sebastian! Since throwing off the burden of pretending to be a xian and admitting that I had NEVER believed in gord, heaven/hell, etc., I’ve been more at peace with myself. However, the tension comes from living here in Tennessee. Even on the road, I encounter the same shit: in-your-face flaunting of delusional disorder.

There is a weirdness about xian truckers — blowing down the road at 75mph or more, cutting in and out of traffic, taking chances saner drivers won’t. And what does it say on the door? “Safety is of the Lard” Huh? Jeebus is not only their co-pilot, he’s their security blanket and lucky rabbit’s foot. Of course, if they get into an accident, Jeebus won’t know them. And neither will their employers and/or their insurers. Hah! They deserve to be crucified!

*deep breaths*

I’m okay now…

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By: Sebastian http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420597 Sebastian Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:08:25 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420597 "Atheist nations are more peaceful" It is hard to say which is the cause and which is the effect, since you could of course argue that the headline might just as well have been the other way around: "Peaceful nations are more atheist". Since it could also go like this: A nation lives a long peaceful period with no unrest and wars that would tear the nation down -> prosperity grows and the nation gains wealth, health and education -> well educated people are more likely to be atheistic. Granted, it could also go in the direction the headline suggested, since an atheistic and naturalistic worldview prevents a lot of tension and aggression that is faith-originated. So atheism can also cause peace. I would reckon that it is a two-way feedback loop, one empowering/enabling the other and vice versa. Hence the statistical correlation mentioned in the article. “Atheist nations are more peaceful”

It is hard to say which is the cause and which is the effect, since you could of course argue that the headline might just as well have been the other way around: “Peaceful nations are more atheist”. Since it could also go like this:

A nation lives a long peaceful period with no unrest and wars that would tear the nation down -> prosperity grows and the nation gains wealth, health and education -> well educated people are more likely to be atheistic.

Granted, it could also go in the direction the headline suggested, since an atheistic and naturalistic worldview prevents a lot of tension and aggression that is faith-originated. So atheism can also cause peace. I would reckon that it is a two-way feedback loop, one empowering/enabling the other and vice versa. Hence the statistical correlation mentioned in the article.

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By: Naomi http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420592 Naomi Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:11:10 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420592 Fritzy, buried in Vision of Humanity's Global Peace Index, under Methodology, is this gem: <blockquote>Another political factor which drives conflict is the degree to which religion plays an important role in national life. The variable does not measure whether a country’s population is devout or actively practising a religious faith, <b>but rather whether religion is intertwined with politics thereby leading to religiously driven laws and government policies. The factor’s importance does not imply that religion creates violence; rather that violence occurs when the state uses religion to its own ends or when organized religion takes over the state and then uses the state to fulfill its own ends.</b></blockquote> And if we had peace? If we could stifle the MIC, the bankers and Wall Street, those greedy bastards, our readily available cash worldwide? To spend on disease and poverty, housing and clean water, education and more... $7.2tr ($7,200,000,000,000). Annually. But what do I know...I'm just another Dirty Fucking Hippy Fritzy, buried in Vision of Humanity’s Global Peace Index, under Methodology, is this gem:

Another political factor which drives conflict is the degree to which religion plays an important role in national life. The variable does not measure whether a country’s population is devout or actively practising a religious faith, but rather whether religion is intertwined with politics thereby leading to religiously driven laws and government policies. The factor’s importance does not imply that religion creates violence; rather that violence occurs when the state uses religion to its own ends or when organized religion takes over the state and then uses the state to fulfill its own ends.

And if we had peace? If we could stifle the MIC, the bankers and Wall Street, those greedy bastards, our readily available cash worldwide? To spend on disease and poverty, housing and clean water, education and more…

$7.2tr ($7,200,000,000,000). Annually.

But what do I know…I’m just another Dirty Fucking Hippy

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By: democommie http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420590 democommie Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:04:01 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420590 Fritzy: When they die and "go to their reward" they become "ass-haloes". Fritzy:

When they die and “go to their reward” they become “ass-haloes”.

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By: Fritzy http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/06/04/whaddya-know/comment-page-1/#comment-420584 Fritzy Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:17:47 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=6430#comment-420584 "The difference is highly statistically significant (P=0.001 or less) - in other words it’s real, not just a chance finding." So you admit there IS a possibility that this all occurs by chance! A .1% chance at that! That's way more than god needs! Because with god, anything is possible! Just read your bibbles and you'd no that. And besides, that's way more of a chance than the chance of evolution, and you stupid Stan worshipping atheists believe in that--it's your religion. Sorry, just channeling an asshat there. Figured I'd get a leg up on the trolls. Actually, no surprises in this article. Too bad my country is so full of asshats Yea, reason! “The difference is highly statistically significant (P=0.001 or less) – in other words it’s real, not just a chance finding.”

So you admit there IS a possibility that this all occurs by chance! A .1% chance at that! That’s way more than god needs! Because with god, anything is possible! Just read your bibbles and you’d no that. And besides, that’s way more of a chance than the chance of evolution, and you stupid Stan worshipping atheists believe in that–it’s your religion.

Sorry, just channeling an asshat there. Figured I’d get a leg up on the trolls. Actually, no surprises in this article. Too bad my country is so full of asshats

Yea, reason!

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