Comments on: Obama administration upholds ban on Muslim scholar http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: ChuckA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417484 ChuckA Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:02:47 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417484 ^^ keddaw... "Atheists, of all people, should be willing to have all views open, available, discussed and critiqued." And you're...an atheist?...or what? As an older atheist, myself, I not only agree with that statement; but in my long experience, it's very common that atheists...totally UNLIKE theists...DO live up to that. We're even open to changing our minds on practically anything, I'd say. As to your... "The best argument against Hitler (not a reducto as hitler argument!) is not the actions of the Nazis..." "NOT THE ACTIONS OF THE NAZIS"??? Say what? Are you another holocaust denier, perhaps? Just wondering, were you actually alive during the time of the Second World War?...as both TOG, and myself were. I was just a baby, born in Dec., 1939, but I remember much from the Post War era, regarding the revelation of horrors that went on in Germany. And, today, we have WAY more information on what REALLY went on under the Nazi insanity; ala actual survivor accounts, films, countless books, etc. "...it is his book, Mein Kampf, which is risible if you ever read any of it..." I don't think any of us atheists...who ARE aware...of the insanity of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" don't see it as SOMEWHAT laughable in its totally self-absorbed and egotistical blindness of existential reality. BUT... at the same time, we recognize the obvious, and proven, enormous danger of that book, given the economic circumstances that existed in Germany at the time, and the need that the German people had for finding a handy...already setup by religion...scapegoat; i.e..."Juden" (the Jews)! The concept of scapegoat, itself, actually COMES from the Bible; and if it weren't for the already anti-Semitic Christian believers, all too willing to be led by the admitted and never denied (or excommunicated), indeed, lifetime Catholic...Hitler, his Right Wing Nazi agenda would, most likely, never have taken off. By the way; Austin Cline, whom I've mentioned on other occasions, has many great articles on that subject. You might check his archives out: http://atheism.about.com/sitesearch.htm?terms=Nazi%20Germany&SUName=atheism&TopNode=99 Yes... "The guy should have been laughed out of town, not elected by the people." But, religion...specifically, indoctrinated Christianity...laid the foundation for duping the German people into blindly...and enthusiastically...following the totally insane asshole...Hitler. It's no mystery to us atheists, that... We must ALL remember, and never forget, TRUE History; and never let any bullshit re-writers...of which there seem to be many, today (albeit, coming out of the woodwork)...with their various insane agendas, dupe Humanity into repeating the STILL ever present, potential insanity of various forms of Fascism. "Can you say...Christian Dominionism?...Islamic Fascism?...yada, yada?" That's one of the PRIME reasons (I'm reminding myself) for the actual existence of THIS Site! The REAL, albeit poisoning danger for World, has ALWAYS been, and continues to be... RELIGION! ^^ keddaw…
“Atheists, of all people, should be willing to have all views open, available, discussed and critiqued.”
And you’re…an atheist?…or what?
As an older atheist, myself, I not only agree with that statement; but in my long experience, it’s very common that atheists…totally UNLIKE theists…DO live up to that. We’re even open to changing our minds on practically anything, I’d say.
As to your…
“The best argument against Hitler (not a reducto as hitler argument!) is not the actions of the Nazis…”
“NOT THE ACTIONS OF THE NAZIS”???
Say what?
Are you another holocaust denier, perhaps?
Just wondering, were you actually alive during the time of the Second World War?…as both TOG, and myself were. I was just a baby, born in Dec., 1939, but I remember much from the Post War era, regarding the revelation of horrors that went on in Germany. And, today, we have WAY more information on what REALLY went on under the Nazi insanity; ala actual survivor accounts, films, countless books, etc.

“…it is his book, Mein Kampf, which is risible if you ever read any of it…”
I don’t think any of us atheists…who ARE aware…of the insanity of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” don’t see it as SOMEWHAT laughable in its totally self-absorbed and egotistical blindness of existential reality.
BUT…
at the same time, we recognize the obvious, and proven, enormous danger of that book, given the economic circumstances that existed in Germany at the time, and the need that the German people had for finding a handy…already setup by religion…scapegoat; i.e…”Juden” (the Jews)!
The concept of scapegoat, itself, actually COMES from the Bible; and if it weren’t for the already anti-Semitic Christian believers, all too willing to be led by the admitted and never denied (or excommunicated), indeed, lifetime Catholic…Hitler, his Right Wing Nazi agenda would, most likely, never have taken off.
By the way; Austin Cline, whom I’ve mentioned on other occasions, has many great articles on that subject. You might check his archives out:
http://atheism.about.com/sitesearch.htm?terms=Nazi%20Germany&SUName=atheism&TopNode=99

Yes…
“The guy should have been laughed out of town, not elected by the people.”
But, religion…specifically, indoctrinated Christianity…laid the foundation for duping the German people into blindly…and enthusiastically…following the totally insane asshole…Hitler.
It’s no mystery to us atheists, that…
We must ALL remember, and never forget, TRUE History; and never let any bullshit re-writers…of which there seem to be many, today (albeit, coming out of the woodwork)…with their various insane agendas, dupe Humanity into repeating the STILL ever present, potential insanity of various forms of Fascism.
“Can you say…Christian Dominionism?…Islamic Fascism?…yada, yada?”

That’s one of the PRIME reasons (I’m reminding myself) for the actual existence of THIS Site!
The REAL, albeit poisoning danger for World, has ALWAYS been, and continues to be…
RELIGION!

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By: The Old Git http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417474 The Old Git Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:15:56 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417474 <em> America was founded on the free exchange of ideas, right and wrong, good and bad.</em> Tell that to the native inhabitants. <em>Atheists, of all people, should be willing to have all views open, available, discussed and critiqued.</em> "Of all people", eh? Why do you seek to impose such restrictions on atheists and imply a relaxation of them for non-atheists? America was founded on the free exchange of ideas, right and wrong, good and bad.

Tell that to the native inhabitants.

Atheists, of all people, should be willing to have all views open, available, discussed and critiqued.

“Of all people”, eh? Why do you seek to impose such restrictions on atheists and imply a relaxation of them for non-atheists?

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By: keddaw http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417460 keddaw Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:41:57 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417460 Sorry guys, the vast majority of you couldn't be more wrong. America was founded on the free exchange of ideas, right and wrong, good and bad. The idea being that good ideas will always win out over bad. Unless this guy represents an imminent danger to citizens of the US then he should be allowed in. Anyone disagreeing with this is either not American or un-American. Or not secure in their own views and values. I am from the UK and would dearly love a constitution, especially one that enshrines the first amendment that Americans seem to take for granted. Atheists, of all people, should be willing to have all views open, available, discussed and critiqued. The best argument against Hitler (not a reducto as hitler argument!) is not the actions of the Nazis, it is his book, Mein Kampf, which is risible if you ever read any of it. The guy should have been laughed out of town, not elected by the people. Sorry guys, the vast majority of you couldn’t be more wrong.

America was founded on the free exchange of ideas, right and wrong, good and bad. The idea being that good ideas will always win out over bad. Unless this guy represents an imminent danger to citizens of the US then he should be allowed in.

Anyone disagreeing with this is either not American or un-American. Or not secure in their own views and values. I am from the UK and would dearly love a constitution, especially one that enshrines the first amendment that Americans seem to take for granted.

Atheists, of all people, should be willing to have all views open, available, discussed and critiqued. The best argument against Hitler (not a reducto as hitler argument!) is not the actions of the Nazis, it is his book, Mein Kampf, which is risible if you ever read any of it. The guy should have been laughed out of town, not elected by the people.

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By: Dunc http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417421 Dunc Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:45:03 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417421 <blockquote>Whilst on the subject of banning unwelcome visitors from one’s shores, here’s an example of the UK banning a Dutch MP who exposes the truth about Islam.</blockquote> I disagreed with that too.

Whilst on the subject of banning unwelcome visitors from one’s shores, here’s an example of the UK banning a Dutch MP who exposes the truth about Islam.

I disagreed with that too.

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By: ChuckA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417403 ChuckA Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:52:58 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417403 ^ TOG...RE your: "Which reminds me, I knew a guy who was awarded a PhD from Trinity College Dublin for his thesis: ‘Why did Stephen Dedalus pick his nose?’" And was the conclusion of his thesis, perchance: "Because the usual blowing...(in a handkerchief or tissue, of course)...just NEVER seems to loosen those damn, fucking, hard to get at, stubborn, often partially dried, boogers. There's just nothing like a finger, when diligently applied, to accomplish the annoying...and rather oh-so common...task. PLUS...for SOME folks (not yours truly, of course!); as a bonus... nibbling on the results makes such a pleasant reward! :shock: This shtick actually reminds me... I kind of lost track of whether Mad magazine is still being published. I'm sure, if it is, that it's a whole different generation of writers, etc. in charge. William Gaines(?), the original publisher, for one, died in 1992 (at 70!). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gaines By the way, I have the whole marvelous set of retrospective..."Totally Mad"... CD-Rs that was published back in 1999. I can only imagine what the original Mad crew would be doing with the LITERAL mad shit regarding the outrageous insanity that your interesting and enlightening links, and several of GifS' recent Posts highlight. And thanks, indeed, for linking to your, always great, personal Posts. I watched that Geert Wilders video link. Shocking, indeed! Incidentally, I had seen "Fitna" quite a while back. Actually, I think it was an Acharya S email that alerted me to it. It's really outrageous that the US media pays no serious attention at all to such REALLY important issues such as that. Bottom-line...the Economy, etc. aside..."it ain't gonna mean shit", if our MOST precious freedoms get stomped into the dust by all the outrageously stupid, unfettered, ruthless, religious psychopaths. Religions ALREADY get what amounts to a totally "free pass" from criticism...at least to my notice...on virtually ALL the major media; certainly, in the US broadcast versions. The World seems to have ignored...certainly has not learned...the terrible lessons of history; particularly of the 20th Century. And I think we all know that there are those, currently, trying to rewrite history in order to cover up their own, all too complicit, even somewhat comparable...personal madness. ^ TOG…RE your:
“Which reminds me, I knew a guy who was awarded a PhD from Trinity College Dublin for his thesis: ‘Why did Stephen Dedalus pick his nose?’”
And was the conclusion of his thesis, perchance:
“Because the usual blowing…(in a handkerchief or tissue, of course)…just NEVER seems to loosen those damn, fucking, hard to get at, stubborn, often partially dried, boogers.
There’s just nothing like a finger, when diligently applied, to accomplish the annoying…and rather oh-so common…task.
PLUS…for SOME folks (not yours truly, of course!); as a bonus…
nibbling on the results makes such a pleasant reward! :shock:
This shtick actually reminds me…
I kind of lost track of whether Mad magazine is still being published. I’m sure, if it is, that it’s a whole different generation of writers, etc. in charge. William Gaines(?), the original publisher, for one, died in 1992 (at 70!).
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gaines

By the way, I have the whole marvelous set of retrospective…”Totally Mad”… CD-Rs that was published back in 1999. I can only imagine what the original Mad crew would be doing with the LITERAL mad shit regarding the outrageous insanity that your interesting and enlightening links, and several of GifS’ recent Posts highlight.
And thanks, indeed, for linking to your, always great, personal Posts.
I watched that Geert Wilders video link. Shocking, indeed! Incidentally, I had seen “Fitna” quite a while back. Actually, I think it was an Acharya S email that alerted me to it.
It’s really outrageous that the US media pays no serious attention at all to such REALLY important issues such as that.
Bottom-line…the Economy, etc. aside…”it ain’t gonna mean shit”, if our MOST precious freedoms get stomped into the dust by all the outrageously stupid, unfettered, ruthless, religious psychopaths.
Religions ALREADY get what amounts to a totally “free pass” from criticism…at least to my notice…on virtually ALL the major media; certainly, in the US broadcast versions.
The World seems to have ignored…certainly has not learned…the terrible lessons of history; particularly of the 20th Century. And I think we all know that there are those, currently, trying to rewrite history in order to cover up their own, all too complicit, even somewhat comparable…personal madness.

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By: The Old Git http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417387 The Old Git Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:26:37 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417387 Whilst on the subject of banning unwelcome visitors from one's shores, <a href="http://nilsacrificiumintellectus.blogspot.com/2009/03/prosecuted-for-telling-truth-about.html" rel="nofollow">here's</a> an example of the UK banning a Dutch MP who exposes the truth about Islam. Whilst on the subject of banning unwelcome visitors from one’s shores, here’s an example of the UK banning a Dutch MP who exposes the truth about Islam.

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By: The Old Git http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417382 The Old Git Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:43:23 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417382 Chuck, Your comment has left me truly furshlugginered. ;-) PS: I am that scholar of Mad Magazines whom you seek. Which reminds me, I knew a guy who was awarded a PhD from Trinity College Dublin for his thesis: <em>'Why did Stephen Dedalus pick his nose?'</em> Chuck,

Your comment has left me truly furshlugginered. ;-)

PS: I am that scholar of Mad Magazines whom you seek.

Which reminds me, I knew a guy who was awarded a PhD from Trinity College Dublin for his thesis: ‘Why did Stephen Dedalus pick his nose?’

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By: ChuckA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/03/26/obama-administration-upholds-ban-on-muslim-scholar/comment-page-1/#comment-417373 ChuckA Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:47:31 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5797#comment-417373 I might consider the allowing of this "scholar" into the US, if...I repeat...IF...it's made VERY clear that he's fair game for criticism by more rational people...like us atheists...f'rnstance. Personally, I have no respect for so-called religious "scholars", who are nothing more, IMO, than totally brainwashed pseudo-intellectuals who have their heads buried knee deep in various religious, scriptural fantasies; capitalizing on the endless further expounding on already ridiculous notions. Come to think of it; I'd, personally, have WAY more respect for some "scholar" of good ole "Mad" magazines. You know...the "What!...me worry?" tradition? Or...is it..."Potrzebie"? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrzebie I might consider the allowing of this “scholar” into the US, if…I repeat…IF…it’s made VERY clear that he’s fair game for criticism by more rational people…like us atheists…f’rnstance.
Personally, I have no respect for so-called religious “scholars”, who are nothing more, IMO, than totally brainwashed pseudo-intellectuals who have their heads buried knee deep in various religious, scriptural fantasies; capitalizing on the endless further expounding on already ridiculous notions.
Come to think of it; I’d, personally, have WAY more respect for some “scholar” of good ole “Mad” magazines.
You know…the “What!…me worry?” tradition?
Or…is it…”Potrzebie”?
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrzebie

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