God is not enough for believers. . .
28 February 2009 by Stardust
Many, if not most, God believers must realize that their god will not protect them since they go so far as wanting to allow concealed handguns in their sanctuaries. They go to doctors when they are sick, they go to counselors when they are depressed, they turn to human assistance when disaster happens. And now they want to be allowed to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves in “God’s house”.
Guns in church bill dies in Arkansas Senate panel
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – A state Senate panel has rejected a bill that would allow concealed handguns in Arkansas churches, a proposal that divided religious leaders.
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The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Beverly Pyle, R-Cedarville, told the panel after the vote that she may try again with the proposal.
“This is not a gun question, it is a question of religious freedom,” Pyle said.
What? A question of “religious freedom”?! Why don’t these reporters every ask the questions that would put these idiots on the spot? Why didn’t someone ask “why don’t you trust your god to protect you?” and see what their answer is?
Fortunately, there are those who can think rationally and though they don’t ask the question about “where is your god?”, they legally reject the nonsense that guns are somehow a religious right.
State Sen. Sue Madison, D-Fayetteville, said she didn’t see the need for the bill.
“I don’t know of any church where the carrying of guns is a sacred belief intrinsic to the doctrine of that church, like the holding of communion might be,” Madison said.
28 February 2009, on 6:36 pm
But, “God helps those who help themselves.”
Or is it, “God takes care of the little things.”
Or maybe it’s, “God Save the Queen.”
I keep getting it all confused.
28 February 2009, on 7:23 pm
I’m glad you brought this up. For many years I’ve tried to figure out why the most fanatical believers – who presumably believe in the ability and willingness of their “benevolent” god to protect them – are usually so obsessed with owning guns and with militaristic behavior. Or to put it another way, why the gun nuts are often fundies. If you look at people who fantasize about physically overthrowing the government, the vast majority of them are fundies (or followers of wacko cults – fundamentalism in a different, but equally insidious, form). It’s a curious discrepancy in their beliefs…
28 February 2009, on 9:45 pm
Pistol Pakin Preacher. WTF has gotten into these fucks? Why do they need guns in church. Was there a rash of people being harmed at church or what? In fact what is it that caused this sudden need to pack heat in church? What a bunch of freaks.
28 February 2009, on 9:55 pm
jimmer:
There was a church shooting that killed two people (I think) that made the news a while back. But I don’t know why fundies would be concerned about that. It was only a Unitarian church that supported gay rights, after all.
28 February 2009, on 9:57 pm
Oh, and IIRC the shooter was one of theirs.
28 February 2009, on 10:23 pm
GDad, if God Saved the Queen, they why did Freddy Mercury die?
1 March 2009, on 1:50 pm
Oh woops I forgot. The article is about a Republican from Arkansas. Hint We just elected a Black man to be our President. A Democrat to boot. You know all Demos want to do is take away all our guns. (Rolls eyes walks away talking to self.)
It really is a good barometer on how absolutely whacked these fucktards have become. Heads are beginning to explode.
1 March 2009, on 3:02 pm
That reminds me of Bill Hicks,when he said,”I Love the Pope. I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile,his three feet of bullet-proof plexi-glass. That’s faith in action,folks! You know he’s got God on his side.”
1 March 2009, on 3:09 pm
I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile,his three feet of bullet-proof plexi-glass. That’s faith in action,folks! You know he’s got God on his side.”
I remember when Pope John Paul II was shot in 1981, right in the Xian god’s sacred city, and that’s when the Pope Mobile was invented. And that should have made people stop to realize that their god was not there.
With so many examples of God not protecting even those ordained to represent him on Earth, it’s mind-boggling how so many just don’t want to accept that there is no invisible sky daddy watching out for all of his billions of tiny sheeple…and all the rest of the things of the universe.
1 March 2009, on 6:14 pm
The Sikh religion has the kirpan or sword that they must carry as an article of faith. Guns as an article of faith?
At http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/714725/posts there’s a list of supporting “evidence” for xians having guns. Here they at least recognize that their gawd is “not a pacifist”.
2 March 2009, on 11:37 am
I attended a wedding where the church had armed security guards. When was the last time someone robbed a church? And all that cash collected each week too.
2 March 2009, on 3:45 pm
“I don’t know of any church where the carrying of guns is a sacred belief intrinsic to the doctrine of that church, like the holding of communion might be.”
The Christian Identity Movement is one group of Churches where carrying arms is a sacrament. You might remember such Christian Identity actions as the murder of Alan Berg, numerous bank robberies & the Oklahoma City bombing.
2 March 2009, on 4:06 pm
I would assume that a state with concealed carry permits would leave this decision up to each individual church, like they leave it up to any private propert owner. One thing to consider is that there are a hell of a lot of people who just carry concealed firearms even though they are doing so illegally.
2 March 2009, on 4:51 pm
The Christian Identity Movement is one group of Churches where carrying arms is a sacrament
Jaycubed, thanks for that bit if information. Just when we think we’ve heard everything.
One thing to consider is that there are a hell of a lot of people who just carry concealed firearms even though they are doing so illegally.
This is very true, and no way to stop people. But the people requesting this to be legally allowed are the same people who profess to believe that their invisible sky daddy protects them. If this god they believe in really existed, he wouldn’t be worth shit since believers have to do everything themselves.
2 March 2009, on 6:06 pm
David Koresh is rolling over in his grave right now. Poor bastard and his flock got burned at the stake for having guns in their church.
4 March 2009, on 1:52 am
GDad;
“God helps those who help themselves.”
It kills me that so many conservative xtians spout that quote, not reallizing that it was made by Ayn Rand, and is contained no where in their Wholly Babble.
And I would say “huh?” to the contents of this post if this weren’t Ar-Kansas; something tells me there’s probably already more concealed weapons than there are hymnals in their churches.