Comments on: Out of the mouths of babes http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Keith http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414584 Keith Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:05:25 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414584 <blockquote>they forbid their kids to see even Terminator movies</blockquote> I watched The Terminator with my nephew when he was in the single digits. He seemed to enjoy it, but did cry at the end. <blockquote>My fundie niece won’t even allow her kids to see 2001 A Space Odyssey because of the monkey scene</blockquote> If she's a fundie, she probably would object to it allying with evolution rather than a rather tame scene with the monkey beating something to death. Plus, that's the only entertaining scene in the whole movie and her kids can thank her later for not subjecting them to two hours (though it seems a lot longer) of total boringness. <blockquote>I knew damn well I didn’t want to wait to get married to experience sex</blockquote> It would be nice to experience it, but c'est la vie.

they forbid their kids to see even Terminator movies

I watched The Terminator with my nephew when he was in the single digits. He seemed to enjoy it, but did cry at the end.

My fundie niece won’t even allow her kids to see 2001 A Space Odyssey because of the monkey scene

If she’s a fundie, she probably would object to it allying with evolution rather than a rather tame scene with the monkey beating something to death. Plus, that’s the only entertaining scene in the whole movie and her kids can thank her later for not subjecting them to two hours (though it seems a lot longer) of total boringness.

I knew damn well I didn’t want to wait to get married to experience sex

It would be nice to experience it, but c’est la vie.

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By: Stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414324 Stardust Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:11:14 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414324 <i>My church was surprisingly liberal/moderate, </i> So, JJR, you weren't a "True Christian™ " ? ;) My church was surprisingly liberal/moderate,

So, JJR, you weren’t a “True Christian™ ” ? ;)

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By: JJR http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414275 JJR Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:10:45 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414275 The funny thing is, it was symbolic in the bible, too. The crazy Catholic mystical literalism came later. I guess I never had a problem with the ceremony in the weak tea Presbyterian church of my youth because 1) our pastor explained the symbolism, quoting the relevant passages pertaining to communion and 2) we didn't take communion all that often, and later churches I attended that did it every Sunday I found a tad annoying, like they were overdoing it, or something. Of course, I also wanted to sneak a drink from the wine part of the tray, but I was a good kid, so I just slurped my grape fruit juice like I was supposed to. Also, with a science teacher for a dad (who, I definitely noticed, only came to church on major holidays like Christmas and Easter), I definitely thought the "water into wine" miracle was bullshit, and ditto the walk-on-water shtick, and the "virgin birth"; I also had grave doubts (no pun intended) about the whole resurrection stuff from the get-go. My church was surprisingly liberal/moderate, but I still rebelled because I became aware of f*cktards like Pat Robertson at an early age (Later when an anti-abortion petition got passed around in my High School freshman physics class, of all places, I pointedly refused to sign it, which surprised the heck out of my classmates). I knew how down they were on any kind of sex before marriage, and as a horny teen I knew damn well I didn't want to wait to get married to experience sex. Fuck THEM! was my basic attitude back then. Still is today. The funny thing is, it was symbolic in the bible, too. The crazy Catholic mystical literalism came later. I guess I never had a problem with the ceremony in the weak tea Presbyterian church of my youth because 1) our pastor explained the symbolism, quoting the relevant passages pertaining to communion and 2) we didn’t take communion all that often, and later churches I attended that did it every Sunday I found a tad annoying, like they were overdoing it, or something. Of course, I also wanted to sneak a drink from the wine part of the tray, but I was a good kid, so I just slurped my grape fruit juice like I was supposed to.

Also, with a science teacher for a dad (who, I definitely noticed, only came to church on major holidays like Christmas and Easter), I definitely thought the “water into wine” miracle was bullshit, and ditto the walk-on-water shtick, and the “virgin birth”; I also had grave doubts (no pun intended) about the whole resurrection stuff from the get-go.

My church was surprisingly liberal/moderate, but I still rebelled because I became aware of f*cktards like Pat Robertson at an early age (Later when an anti-abortion petition got passed around in my High School freshman physics class, of all places, I pointedly refused to sign it, which surprised the heck out of my classmates). I knew how down they were on any kind of sex before marriage, and as a horny teen I knew damn well I didn’t want to wait to get married to experience sex. Fuck THEM! was my basic attitude back then. Still is today.

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By: 60613 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414272 60613 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:28:22 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414272 Just a coupla lines to thank those who injected some humor into this. I get so passionate about my non-belief I sometimes lose sight of the possibility of humor. I gotta work on that... Just a coupla lines to thank those who injected some humor into this.
I get so passionate about my non-belief I sometimes lose sight of the possibility of humor.
I gotta work on that…

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By: Stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414233 Stardust Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:00:44 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414233 <i>The whole church just came across (to me) as a bloody, gore-fest.</i> Dan, It is extremely ghoulish! And especially the Catholic churches and cathedrals that have "relics" (dead bodies and body parts) of "saints" they encase in glass boxes and put on display for all to see. It's got to be horrifying for children. Children are literally scared into believing. It's obscene! <i>I’ll one up you and say that, as this post illustrates, in my dictionary, the number two definition of “worship” is “socially sanctioned child abuse.”</i> Fritzy, exactly! If people were displaying dead bodies, telling kids they are drinking the blood of their great Aunt Mavis or Uncle Louie, etc. the parents would be charged with emotional children abuse! I can't understand why Xians think that Passion of the Crust is a good thing when they forbid their kids to see even Terminator movies, etc. My fundie niece won't even allow her kids to see 2001 A Space Odyssey because of the monkey scene. Their church pastors told them it was on the "evil" list. But it's okay to view blood and guts and torture because Passion is a movie about their religion. The whole church just came across (to me) as a bloody, gore-fest.

Dan, It is extremely ghoulish! And especially the Catholic churches and cathedrals that have “relics” (dead bodies and body parts) of “saints” they encase in glass boxes and put on display for all to see. It’s got to be horrifying for children. Children are literally scared into believing. It’s obscene!

I’ll one up you and say that, as this post illustrates, in my dictionary, the number two definition of “worship” is “socially sanctioned child abuse.”

Fritzy, exactly! If people were displaying dead bodies, telling kids they are drinking the blood of their great Aunt Mavis or Uncle Louie, etc. the parents would be charged with emotional children abuse! I can’t understand why Xians think that Passion of the Crust is a good thing when they forbid their kids to see even Terminator movies, etc. My fundie niece won’t even allow her kids to see 2001 A Space Odyssey because of the monkey scene. Their church pastors told them it was on the “evil” list. But it’s okay to view blood and guts and torture because Passion is a movie about their religion.

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By: fritzy http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414205 fritzy Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:37:24 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414205 Cry4turtles-- I'll one up you and say that, as this post illustrates, in my dictionary, the number two definition of "worship" is "socially sanctioned child abuse." If communion is considered metaphore, it's ludicrous and vacuous; if it's transubstantiation, it's grusome and even more ludicrous. Either way, it's hijacked from earlier blood cults and is wildly anachronistic in any civilized, scientific, post-enlightenment society. As for Passion of the Crust, mentioned earlier: I hate everything that the wild popularity and success of that movie says about the American public. Cry4turtles–

I’ll one up you and say that, as this post illustrates, in my dictionary, the number two definition of “worship” is “socially sanctioned child abuse.”

If communion is considered metaphore, it’s ludicrous and vacuous; if it’s transubstantiation, it’s grusome and even more ludicrous. Either way, it’s hijacked from earlier blood cults and is wildly anachronistic in any civilized, scientific, post-enlightenment society.

As for Passion of the Crust, mentioned earlier: I hate everything that the wild popularity and success of that movie says about the American public.

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By: Dan Gilbert http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414197 Dan Gilbert Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:57:03 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414197 I remember walking into the Catholic church where some friends of mine got married and they had sculptures throughout the church of the different stages of the crucifixtion. The whole church just came across (to me) as a bloody, gore-fest. I couldn't imagine taking children to that church. From the life-sized bloody Jesus on the cross at the altar to all the sculptures around the chapel... it was just ghoulish. So not only do they show all this gore to the kids, but then they make the kids eat the flesh and drink the blood of the gored-up dude. Wow. I remember walking into the Catholic church where some friends of mine got married and they had sculptures throughout the church of the different stages of the crucifixtion. The whole church just came across (to me) as a bloody, gore-fest. I couldn’t imagine taking children to that church. From the life-sized bloody Jesus on the cross at the altar to all the sculptures around the chapel… it was just ghoulish.

So not only do they show all this gore to the kids, but then they make the kids eat the flesh and drink the blood of the gored-up dude.

Wow.

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By: Keith http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2009/02/14/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/comment-page-1/#comment-414189 Keith Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:05:26 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=5480#comment-414189 I wasn't a raised Catholic, so I have no idea about this. But most horror movies aren't that gruesome. Sure, you have a few, but most of the gruesome ones I can think of (Dead Alive, The Evil Dead, etc) are just too funny to be the least bit disturbing. But especially in the day of the almighty PG-13, horror movies go for more suspense and tension than gore. In a way, it's a return to the 70s, in which goreless horror movies like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween were hits (Tobe Hooper wanted The Texas Chainsaw Massacre to be PG, but Halloween would still be R because of the nudity, though the violence is tame and the gore nonexistent). I wasn’t a raised Catholic, so I have no idea about this. But most horror movies aren’t that gruesome. Sure, you have a few, but most of the gruesome ones I can think of (Dead Alive, The Evil Dead, etc) are just too funny to be the least bit disturbing. But especially in the day of the almighty PG-13, horror movies go for more suspense and tension than gore. In a way, it’s a return to the 70s, in which goreless horror movies like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween were hits (Tobe Hooper wanted The Texas Chainsaw Massacre to be PG, but Halloween would still be R because of the nudity, though the violence is tame and the gore nonexistent).

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