Comments on: The Night Jesus Met Santa Claus http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: calcolor http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-2/#comment-417174 calcolor Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:37:31 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-417174 It has been commented that we "Choose" to go to hell - god does not put us there. This choice is a false one. It is as if I give you a choice between jumping out of an airplane with or without a parachute. I mean "God" tells us meager humans we could love and fear him and have eternal life of be tortured forever. Wow..that sounds like he has given us "free will." People do not choose to be tortured , they choose to use their logic and reason. Also, we are all flawed. We can make mistakes on everything and anything. Because of that, peoples decision to become a christian can be wrong. There is a chance that they are wrong about the decision and thus wrong about the existence of a God. But try and explain that to a christian. They will agree that people are flawed, except when it comes to the decision to become a christian. That decision is the only time people can be flawless. Then ask if other people are wrong about becoming anything else and they will tell you they had made an incorrect decision. It's an unbelievable example in flawed logic. But that is what religion is at its core. It has been commented that we “Choose” to go to hell – god does not put us there. This choice is a false one. It is as if I give you a choice between jumping out of an airplane with or without a parachute. I mean “God” tells us meager humans we could love and fear him and have eternal life of be tortured forever. Wow..that sounds like he has given us “free will.” People do not choose to be tortured , they choose to use their logic and reason.

Also, we are all flawed. We can make mistakes on everything and anything. Because of that, peoples decision to become a christian can be wrong. There is a chance that they are wrong about the decision and thus wrong about the existence of a God. But try and explain that to a christian. They will agree that people are flawed, except when it comes to the decision to become a christian. That decision is the only time people can be flawless. Then ask if other people are wrong about becoming anything else and they will tell you they had made an incorrect decision. It’s an unbelievable example in flawed logic. But that is what religion is at its core.

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By: vnostaw http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-2/#comment-414138 vnostaw Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:36:12 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-414138 Do you want a list of all the schools, hospitals, orphanages, food pantries, homeless shelters, pregnancy care centers, anti-slavery societies, etc. etc. that Christians have started over the years? Christians have shown more real concern for others throughout history than any other group. <strong>From the Moderator: The point is that your God doesn't do squat. He never shows up. If people don't do anything, nothing happens. And our other point, which you fail to understand is that these things can be done to help others without religion. Religion doesn't have to come into it at all. Christian help and love is conditional...it's a "strings attached" kind of love. As for Christians doing more than any other group, I won't argue about that because you delusional folks outnumber us by a large number, so it makes sense that you do more...but still most of the time it's a "strings' attached" kind of love. You can't do anything without invitation to join your superstitious beliefs. And as for the Christian church doing all good, just look at the violence that Christians have wrought through the ages. There is a dark side to Christianity, as well. As for religious, delusional folks. you have the numbers, but that doesn't mean you have the monopoly on helping. Help comes from human goodness.No god comes. And don't tell me that your magical man in the sky gives us that desire to help. That is just utter nonsense as any other ancient mythology. Humans make their gods to suit themselves. According to how human beings behave.</strong> You create a list of things like that, that atheists have done and I'll come up with one for Christians and we'll compare notes. <strong>Why don't you stop to consider that atheists work side-by-side with Christians in times of need and disaster. The world isn't so neatly divided up into groups as you think. There are millions and millions of atheists in the world. Like I said, Christians do not have the monopoly on caring and helping. Saying that most help comes from Christians when they make up less than a third of the population on this planet makes your assumptions ludicrous. The desire to help comes from human goodness. Without human help, nothing happens. If humans don't get involved, no god comes. Think about it before you pompously and arrogantly come to other people's blog and talk about things you apparently are uninformed about. NO GODS COME. </strong> Do you want a list of all the schools, hospitals, orphanages, food pantries, homeless shelters, pregnancy care centers, anti-slavery societies, etc. etc. that Christians have started over the years? Christians have shown more real concern for others throughout history than any other group.

From the Moderator: The point is that your God doesn’t do squat. He never shows up. If people don’t do anything, nothing happens.

And our other point, which you fail to understand is that these things can be done to help others without religion. Religion doesn’t have to come into it at all. Christian help and love is conditional…it’s a “strings attached” kind of love.

As for Christians doing more than any other group, I won’t argue about that because you delusional folks outnumber us by a large number, so it makes sense that you do more…but still most of the time it’s a “strings’ attached” kind of love. You can’t do anything without invitation to join your superstitious beliefs. And as for the Christian church doing all good, just look at the violence that Christians have wrought through the ages. There is a dark side to Christianity, as well. As for religious, delusional folks. you have the numbers, but that doesn’t mean you have the monopoly on helping. Help comes from human goodness.No god comes. And don’t tell me that your magical man in the sky gives us that desire to help. That is just utter nonsense as any other ancient mythology. Humans make their gods to suit themselves. According to how human beings behave.

You create a list of things like that, that atheists have done and I’ll come up with one for Christians and we’ll compare notes.

Why don’t you stop to consider that atheists work side-by-side with Christians in times of need and disaster. The world isn’t so neatly divided up into groups as you think. There are millions and millions of atheists in the world. Like I said, Christians do not have the monopoly on caring and helping. Saying that most help comes from Christians when they make up less than a third of the population on this planet makes your assumptions ludicrous. The desire to help comes from human goodness. Without human help, nothing happens. If humans don’t get involved, no god comes. Think about it before you pompously and arrogantly come to other people’s blog and talk about things you apparently are uninformed about. NO GODS COME.

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By: vnostaw http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-2/#comment-413333 vnostaw Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:15:31 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-413333 Or it could be that we're genuinely concerned about people like you. <strong>No reason to be concerned about us. Show concern for the hungry, homeless, oppressed and the downtrodden...and provide some real help and concern. Not magical prayers and perpetuating of supernatural and illogical fears. Think about how totally ridiculous your beliefs are. Over the ages, when it comes to superstition, majorities often believed in some absurd things, only to be proven wrong with the progression of time and knowledge. A majority of people once believed the earth was flat, and then were proven wrong. Just because a majority of people "believe" something, doesn't make it true. Keep that in mind and ponder it awhile. Mods</strong> Or it could be that we’re genuinely concerned about people like you.

No reason to be concerned about us. Show concern for the hungry, homeless, oppressed and the downtrodden…and provide some real help and concern. Not magical prayers and perpetuating of supernatural and illogical fears.

Think about how totally ridiculous your beliefs are.

Over the ages, when it comes to superstition, majorities often believed in some absurd things, only to be proven wrong with the progression of time and knowledge. A majority of people once believed the earth was flat, and then were proven wrong.

Just because a majority of people “believe” something, doesn’t make it true. Keep that in mind and ponder it awhile.

Mods

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By: Stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-2/#comment-412051 Stardust Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:17:22 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-412051 Yep, they always have to stop and boo hoo about us not sharing their deluded beliefs. You should check the God Mail sometime. Talk about a bunch of boo-hooers. We get threats of hell, nasty messages about our site, and telling us we are awful people etc. etc.and funny when they say that stuff and end with "Peace" or "have a nice day" or some insincere baloney like that. They are what Holden calls people like this in Catcher in the Rye..."Phoney". I really think the ones who feel compelled to stop by and leave a comment really have a lot of doubts and are uncomfortable with that and so leave a comment trying to cling to their beliefs by continue to excessively "witness" to others so that maybe their doubts will disappear. Yep, they always have to stop and boo hoo about us not sharing their deluded beliefs. You should check the God Mail sometime. Talk about a bunch of boo-hooers. We get threats of hell, nasty messages about our site, and telling us we are awful people etc. etc.and funny when they say that stuff and end with “Peace” or “have a nice day” or some insincere baloney like that. They are what Holden calls people like this in Catcher in the Rye…”Phoney”. I really think the ones who feel compelled to stop by and leave a comment really have a lot of doubts and are uncomfortable with that and so leave a comment trying to cling to their beliefs by continue to excessively “witness” to others so that maybe their doubts will disappear.

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By: jimmer http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-2/#comment-412048 jimmer Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:16:28 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-412048 Stardust These people baffle me. Don't they understand who we are and what we are about? Afterall all we have is words. I guess they can't handle even that. Which goes to the fact that they are childish. Whah, Whah, Whah. Stardust
These people baffle me. Don’t they understand who we are and what we are about?
Afterall all we have is words. I guess they can’t handle even that. Which goes to the fact that they are childish. Whah, Whah, Whah.

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By: Stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-1/#comment-412036 Stardust Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:44:17 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-412036 Jimmer, funny isn't it? Christians come upon a site called God is for Suckers and feel compelled to comment nevertheless. It always amazes me. And if they would READ some of what is written here they wouldn't have to ask the same damn questions all the time. Jimmer, funny isn’t it? Christians come upon a site called God is for Suckers and feel compelled to comment nevertheless. It always amazes me. And if they would READ some of what is written here they wouldn’t have to ask the same damn questions all the time.

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By: jimmer http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-1/#comment-411999 jimmer Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:47:00 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-411999 Paul Non-sarcastic? Do you really know where you have just commented? LOL. Paul
Non-sarcastic? Do you really know where you have just commented? LOL.

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By: Stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/12/05/the-night-jesus-met-santa-claus/comment-page-1/#comment-411985 Stardust Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:27:08 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4691#comment-411985 <blockquote>Is there any one of you who would care to state your explanation of your own existence - as in: Why do you exist? </blockquote> We don't do like the Christians and other god botherers do and make up answers as to why do we exist. For us, we make our own reason for our existence. Many god botherers simply exist to believe and do nothing productive at all with their lives. Their lives are pointless waiting for some other afterlife they have absolute zero evidence for. Their desires are selfish and they have a sense of entitlement to some magical kingdom for simply being born. That is totally absurd. <blockquote>What is your purpose for being here? </blockquote> Our purpose is what we make of it. Who we decide to become. What education we have, what we choose to do with our lives. It's up to us. As I stated above, there are many Christians who sit around getting fat,whining about their problems and doing nothing to better the world. To invent a magical being who is going to take them somewhere over the rainbow is quite imaginative, but also like I said, pointless and useless. <blockquote>Who is the “you” behind the physical you? </blockquote> There is no you behind the physical me. I die I turn into a lump of limp flesh and bones...then after burial I disintegrate and become dust once again...stardust. We are all made of stardust and all will become stardust again eventually. Even the entire Earth one day will be engulfed by an expanding Sun. Nothing in the Universe lasts forever. <blockquote>What is the invisible force that moves you? </blockquote> Casper the ghost? LOL! This question is so funny. Invisible force. You want to believe there is an invisible force, but all there is is you. Many if not most people cannot accept that they are mortal. Humans cannot accept the thought of no longer being. The force that actually moves me is my blood,oxygen, and the way my body works. Cut a vein and I am dead. Intelligent designer? I don't think so. Just look at how our bodies are made with all the flaws. Useless appendixes that get infected and if they burst will kill us, wisdom teeth that cause nothing but torment. Anyway, take a biology course and you might understand how life forms function. <blockquote> Do you exist after you die and Where do you go to? </blockquote> Nope, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Just like every other living thing. Some other civilization (if humanity survives that long) will dig up your bones a thousand years from now and they will learn about your mythology just as we have done with the Egyptians who also believed they were going to live forever. They are in museums now, so I guess they are sort of living beyond in some form of afterlife...but only from their remains and the writings they left behind. <blockquote>Do you treat anyone anyway you want to?</blockquote> I treat people the way I would like to be treated. "Do unto others"...have you heard of that saying? <blockquote> Do you have guidelines such as principles and values? </blockquote> What I have been taught by my parents according to acceptable values and behaviors of the society in which we live. These guidelines come from humans, civilized humans. No god belief is necessary . <blockquote> On and on… If you have the answers, please let us “suckers” know!</blockquote> We don't make up answers for what we do not know. Unlike Christians who are impatient or cannot accept that some things there are just no answers to. So you make up your god beliefs to fill in the gaps. You are suckers who follow blindly what ignorant humans have invented for coping devices thousands of years ago. Christianity isn't the only mythology. There are many, many world mythologies. Humans are quite inventive. <blockquote>Unless you’re not so kind. Why is there (and has been since time) such suffering and horrendous atrocities perpetrated against each other? </blockquote> Most of it is committed by Christians or other god believers. The prisons are full of Christians. The god of your Bible is the ultimate example of one who commits horrendous atrocities against his own creations. You would think that a good god who can do things any way he wants could find a more loving and peaceful way to deal with his "children". Your Bible is an awful book that tells people to stone their children to death for being unruly, to stone to death adulterers or those who have premarital sex, your god turns people to pillars of stone for the tiniest infarction, your god drowns a whole planet full of people because he is pissed off at the mistakes he made with them...but allows pervert Noah, who gets drunk and naked, to live. So...before you start pointing fingers, just consider your own religion and what you actually profess to believe. <blockquote>Outside of God - that is to say any other entity or being other than you yourself, Please explain the reason for all this?? </blockquote> Astronomers and scientists can explain a lot of things and research is ongoing and will be ongoing for as long as humanity survives. Just because you don't know the answers doesn't mean you make them up. And like I stated before a couple of times now, you make life what you want it to be. It's your choice. No god is going to live your life for you. You have to get up and make things happen. Humans make things happen. <blockquote>Because if you yourself do reason it all out, then there must be some sense to it all.</blockquote> There is no reasoning god belief. God beliefs are mythology and are absurd. <blockquote>These are important issues - as important as your own life is to you Any honest, sincere, non-sarcastic responses are truly appreciated. Paul</blockquote> So, there you have your answers. We admit that there are things we do not know, or can never know. We accept our own mortality, we get our morals from what our society expects, and we make our own lives mean something. Life is what you make it to be...you make your own meaning. And if you make it to be all god belief, that is such a waste of the time you have being alive.

Is there any one of you who would care to state your explanation of your own existence – as in: Why do you exist?

We don’t do like the Christians and other god botherers do and make up answers as to why do we exist. For us, we make our own reason for our existence. Many god botherers simply exist to believe and do nothing productive at all with their lives. Their lives are pointless waiting for some other afterlife they have absolute zero evidence for. Their desires are selfish and they have a sense of entitlement to some magical kingdom for simply being born. That is totally absurd.

What is your purpose for being here?

Our purpose is what we make of it. Who we decide to become. What education we have, what we choose to do with our lives. It’s up to us. As I stated above, there are many Christians who sit around getting fat,whining about their problems and doing nothing to better the world. To invent a magical being who is going to take them somewhere over the rainbow is quite imaginative, but also like I said, pointless and useless.

Who is the “you” behind the physical you?

There is no you behind the physical me. I die I turn into a lump of limp flesh and bones…then after burial I disintegrate and become dust once again…stardust. We are all made of stardust and all will become stardust again eventually. Even the entire Earth one day will be engulfed by an expanding Sun. Nothing in the Universe lasts forever.

What is the invisible force that moves you?

Casper the ghost? LOL! This question is so funny. Invisible force. You want to believe there is an invisible force, but all there is is you. Many if not most people cannot accept that they are mortal. Humans cannot accept the thought of no longer being. The force that actually moves me is my blood,oxygen, and the way my body works. Cut a vein and I am dead. Intelligent designer? I don’t think so. Just look at how our bodies are made with all the flaws. Useless appendixes that get infected and if they burst will kill us, wisdom teeth that cause nothing but torment. Anyway, take a biology course and you might understand how life forms function.

Do you exist after you die and Where do you go to?

Nope, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Just like every other living thing. Some other civilization (if humanity survives that long) will dig up your bones a thousand years from now and they will learn about your mythology just as we have done with the Egyptians who also believed they were going to live forever. They are in museums now, so I guess they are sort of living beyond in some form of afterlife…but only from their remains and the writings they left behind.

Do you treat anyone anyway you want to?

I treat people the way I would like to be treated. “Do unto others”…have you heard of that saying?

Do you have guidelines such as principles and values?

What I have been taught by my parents according to acceptable values and behaviors of the society in which we live. These guidelines come from humans, civilized humans. No god belief is necessary .

On and on… If you have the answers, please let us “suckers” know!

We don’t make up answers for what we do not know. Unlike Christians who are impatient or cannot accept that some things there are just no answers to. So you make up your god beliefs to fill in the gaps. You are suckers who follow blindly what ignorant humans have invented for coping devices thousands of years ago. Christianity isn’t the only mythology. There are many, many world mythologies. Humans are quite inventive.

Unless you’re not so kind. Why is there (and has been since time) such suffering and horrendous atrocities perpetrated against each other?

Most of it is committed by Christians or other god believers. The prisons are full of Christians. The god of your Bible is the ultimate example of one who commits horrendous atrocities against his own creations. You would think that a good god who can do things any way he wants could find a more loving and peaceful way to deal with his “children”. Your Bible is an awful book that tells people to stone their children to death for being unruly, to stone to death adulterers or those who have premarital sex, your god turns people to pillars of stone for the tiniest infarction, your god drowns a whole planet full of people because he is pissed off at the mistakes he made with them…but allows pervert Noah, who gets drunk and naked, to live. So…before you start pointing fingers, just consider your own religion and what you actually profess to believe.

Outside of God – that is to say any other entity or being other than you yourself, Please explain the reason for all this??

Astronomers and scientists can explain a lot of things and research is ongoing and will be ongoing for as long as humanity survives. Just because you don’t know the answers doesn’t mean you make them up. And like I stated before a couple of times now, you make life what you want it to be. It’s your choice. No god is going to live your life for you. You have to get up and make things happen. Humans make things happen.

Because if you yourself do reason it all out, then there must be some sense to it all.

There is no reasoning god belief. God beliefs are mythology and are absurd.

These are important issues – as important as your own life is to you Any honest, sincere, non-sarcastic responses are truly appreciated. Paul

So, there you have your answers. We admit that there are things we do not know, or can never know. We accept our own mortality, we get our morals from what our society expects, and we make our own lives mean something. Life is what you make it to be…you make your own meaning. And if you make it to be all god belief, that is such a waste of the time you have being alive.

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