We needed a poll to tell us this?
4 December 2008 by Stardust
Poll: Calif. gay marriage ban driven by religion
SAN FRANCISCO – Voters’ economic status and religious convictions played a greater role than race and age in determining whether they supported the Nov. 4 ballot measure outlawing same-sex marriage in California, a new poll shows.
The ban drew its strongest support from both evangelical Christians and voters who didn’t attend college, according to results released Wednesday by the Public Policy Institute of California.
It’s not just the evangelicals who played a role in this vote,
People who identified themselves as practicing Christians were highly likely to support the constitutional amendment, with 85 percent of evangelical Christians, 66 percent of Protestants and 60 percent of Roman Catholics favoring it.
Proving once again, with religion comes bigotry, divisiveness and oppression. How does legalizing gay marriage change the lives of any of these voters? Can any of them explain that without their buy-bull?
4 December 2008, on 1:31 pm
No, they can’t. I even got my own mother to admit this in Florida. She kept coming back to the same argument: “I just don’t think it’s right” says…and the worst part? She’s not a fundy, not evangelical at all. My father and I are both atheists, so she had no excuse other than her own prejudices. I love my mom to death, but she REALLY let me down on this one
4 December 2008, on 1:37 pm
I also read yesterday in the San Jose Mercury News that income and education were key factors, with the lower income/high school only demographics voting in favor of prop 8. Combine these voting groups together, and Christians don’t come out looking all that smart. I wonder if they’ll be in lockstep with the Mormons when they try to enshrine polygamy into the CA state constitution?
At least in California with the challenges to prop 8 being taken seriously by the legislature, gay marriage has a fighting chance. Here in Texas, we’ll have to wait for god to blast the thunderheads with a demand to get bigotry out of our constitution before the majority of voters in this state become enlightened.
4 December 2008, on 2:05 pm
Let’s see…it’s Thoisday (Thor’s day?)…and Stardust’s Post reminds me…
I’m feeling an overwhelming impulse for:
Playing with some new, totally made-up, (& self-indulgent) “Daffy-notions”?…in particular…
RELIGION:
1) A guaranteed one way ticket to a lifetime of ultimate stupidity.
2) A form of brain virus; usually incurred from early childhood. Possibly originating from already indoctrinated, ignorant parents.
Some symptoms include: Irrational based fears of severe punishment, nagging sexual guilt, often leading to chronic impotence and extreme Social prejudices.
[Possible Cure: Frequent exposure to atheist and freethinker Internet Sites.]
3) An intense need to worship totally fantasized “Invisible Big Daddy in the Sky” notions.
Symptoms include the need for extreme phallic symbols; most often manifesting in the need for building, tax free, sprawling Church buildings with immense, prominent steeples and extremely large parking lots; or, in some rarer cases…huge, isolated, well lit, Cross structures. Also, very commonly, the need to collect weaponry; particularly high caliber assault weapons; often, with the claim that they’re needed for impending national defense, or hunting quail, squirrels, various small animals…
and all non-believing infidels.
4) Total, mindless, World threatening, and incredibly dangerous, mind-fucking bullshit.
5) “Henya, henya!…and/or…
Neenoo, nahnoo-nahnoo!”
4 December 2008, on 2:19 pm
And then god botherers fight amongst themselves over their bullshit book and what their god approves of etc.
Conservatives form rival group to Episcopal Church
The thing that is so maddening is that these people are voting to make the rules according to their own ideas and imaginings about what their version of this imaginary friend wants. All based on individual fear ofwhat their version of this imaginary friend would want.
There are those also who are just afraid of people who are different. Who are different than what they are used to. But no one can state how a homosexual couple’s union being legally recognized affects them in any way what-so-ever.
4 December 2008, on 2:32 pm
Top 5 arguments against gay marriage debunked 1 of 3
Link: 2 of 3
Link: 3 of 3
4 December 2008, on 6:51 pm
Cue JH Bowden with his “there are solid reasons for legalizing only traditional marriage” in three – two – one…
4 December 2008, on 7:37 pm
Eve, you’re going to have to wait a bit longer, Jason is busy right now mixing his recyclables with the regular trash in order to spite the environmentalists.
4 December 2008, on 9:13 pm
Chuck A
That is a tasty selection I must say. HMMMMM??? I’m gonna hafta go with #4
Stardust
These religious wackos put hundreds of millions of $$$’s into this campign. Yet they get upset at Imagine no religion billboards. Go figure.
4 December 2008, on 9:48 pm
“How does legalizing gay marriage change the lives of any of these voters? Can any of them explain that without their buy-bull?”
No, they can’t, at least not in my experience. I had this discussion recently with one of the MDs I work with, who happens to be a fundie. He actually stated that he is happy for gays when they do get married, and even tells his gay patients this (the gay equivalent of “some of my best friends are black…”) But he was ultimately unable to give me a reason, without referring to his Wholley Babble, for why he voted for prop 8. “I have to vote with what I know is right morally–God’s law surpasses that of man…Blahdy blah rote response.”
As far as education affecting people’s attitudes towards gays–no surprise there. I was homophobic in highschool–of course I was also a xtian.
Benjamin–in regards to people, such as your mother, who respond that way, I simply point out to them that if they feel gay marriage is “just wrong,” they probably shouldn’t enter into a gay union themselves, as it will lead to dissatisfaction and cognitive dissonance. Those who aren’t left absolutely confused by this usually look at me as if I kicked their puppy.
5 December 2008, on 11:20 am
Meanwhile, in the words of Fark.com: “Public invited to watch 18th clown fall out of the car”
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20244181,00.html
That’s right, it’s that quiverfull of Duggans. Woot!
5 December 2008, on 1:00 pm
RDZ, I am puzzled as to how the Duggars find time to run the baby making equipment with all those worker drones around the house?
They must be making a shitload of money to afford all those industrial front-load washers and dryers, industrial kitchen equipment and a house large enough to fit them all and furnished so nicely. I don’t think they are doing it for the Lawd, I think they are doing it to make money from the attention they are getting. And we know what suckers Xians are for such a program as long as it includes family devotions from a Bible full of underlining, and plenty of talking to Jeebus, especially while making a huge circle to do it together in public places. Circus is right.
5 December 2008, on 6:25 pm
OK, Tommy, I’ll stop holding my breath.
Oh, doG, not the Duggans again…
5 December 2008, on 9:51 pm
Ahh, the Duggans…everyone loves a circus…
6 December 2008, on 3:47 pm
I think it’s more than that. I think it’s because we know this kind of discrimination as well. Some states still have laws that forbid Atheists from holding elected office, or even sitting on a jury. Many adoption agencies will not allow an atheist couple to adopt a deserving child. I think we are very aware that discrimination against one is discrimination against all.