Comments on: Sarah Palin, Pastor Muthee and Witchhunting http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Karen http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-400025 Karen Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:42:41 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-400025 Amazed Part of our freedom of speech is that we CAN be critical of religion and those who think differently from us. Which is why you are afforded a voice here. But if you are not more careful, it may be your last time. From our commenting policy, which you apparently did not bother to check, I give you: <b> Clarification in big letters for the slow learners: If you come here and witness, you will be banned. If you come here and proselytize, you will be banned. If you come here and threaten us with eternal damnation for not believing in your invisible sky daddy, you will be banned.</b> Now, as to your other complaints, gay marriage and babies dying in the mothers' wombs are not contrary to nature. There is an abundance of homosexual behavior throughout nature, and as for marriage, that is a contrivance of man, so in any form, hetero or gay, it has nothing to do with nature. The natural state for most species is not monogamy; that is a relatively new social concept in terms of the scope of human existence. And if you insist on believing in a supernatural being, then you must admit that your "god" kills more babies in the womb than man could ever dream of doing. And yes, we do know quite a bit about religions and their practices. Most of us were once religious ourselves, and all have researched religions more so than the average believer. We could probably describe more about your variety of religion than you could yourself. And while you're dropping the first part of Pascal's Wager on us, you better make sure that YOUR god is THE only god in heaven- or the right one- or the most powerful one - and not just the one with the best PR team. Your little back anecdote is no proof of prayer working. Double blind scientific studies have proven that prayer has absolutely no effect, other than what one would get from simple meditation, or believing in a placebo. If prayer works, why doesn't god heal amputees? Why hasn't he fed all the hungry who have no doubt asked for it? Why has he not brought rains to the drought stricken third world? Why has he not stopped genocide. You know someone has asked for these things. Your Bible says, "Ask, and you shall receive." The truth is, there is no god to answer prayers. There is only man to help other men. Believe what you want. Discuss differences if you want. But don't come in here preaching or witnessing or you'll be banned. Amazed
Part of our freedom of speech is that we CAN be critical of religion and those who think differently from us. Which is why you are afforded a voice here. But if you are not more careful, it may be your last time. From our commenting policy, which you apparently did not bother to check, I give you:
Clarification in big letters for the slow learners:

If you come here and witness, you will be banned.

If you come here and proselytize, you will be banned.

If you come here and threaten us with eternal damnation for not believing in your invisible sky daddy, you will be banned.

Now, as to your other complaints, gay marriage and babies dying in the mothers’ wombs are not contrary to nature. There is an abundance of homosexual behavior throughout nature, and as for marriage, that is a contrivance of man, so in any form, hetero or gay, it has nothing to do with nature. The natural state for most species is not monogamy; that is a relatively new social concept in terms of the scope of human existence. And if you insist on believing in a supernatural being, then you must admit that your “god” kills more babies in the womb than man could ever dream of doing.

And yes, we do know quite a bit about religions and their practices. Most of us were once religious ourselves, and all have researched religions more so than the average believer. We could probably describe more about your variety of religion than you could yourself.

And while you’re dropping the first part of Pascal’s Wager on us, you better make sure that YOUR god is THE only god in heaven- or the right one- or the most powerful one – and not just the one with the best PR team. Your little back anecdote is no proof of prayer working. Double blind scientific studies have proven that prayer has absolutely no effect, other than what one would get from simple meditation, or believing in a placebo. If prayer works, why doesn’t god heal amputees? Why hasn’t he fed all the hungry who have no doubt asked for it? Why has he not brought rains to the drought stricken third world? Why has he not stopped genocide. You know someone has asked for these things. Your Bible says, “Ask, and you shall receive.” The truth is, there is no god to answer prayers. There is only man to help other men.

Believe what you want. Discuss differences if you want. But don’t come in here preaching or witnessing or you’ll be banned.

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By: Amazed http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-400018 Amazed Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:35:54 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-400018 It blows my mind that some of you who say are Americans and who profess to allow and to enforce the freedom of religion and of thoughts can be so critical, impatient, and contradictory when it comes to religious preferences and with people who think differently from you. It amazes me that you can easily accept gay marriage, the killing of small babies inside of their mother'S wombs, and things alike, which are contrary to the human nature, and yet, can speak so boldly against religious practices that you don't know anything about. You better stick with the political debate, which would help all that read your comments, than stirring up inconstitutional and intolerant thoughts against religious freedom. Also, you better be absolutely sure that there is no God in heaven, that He doesn't hear your words and does not care about them. You better be sure there is no Judgment Day awaiting for every human being in the after life. You better have scientific proofs of that to be so sure, because there are some events based on faith that can be proved scientifically, as for example, the back problem I used to have and that no doctor or treatment could heal, but after prayer was totally healed. The XR could not read the problem after that. Be sure of these things before you can be hold accountable to God, if He does exist, as I believe. It blows my mind that some of you who say are Americans and who profess to allow and to enforce the freedom of religion and of thoughts can be so critical, impatient, and contradictory when it comes to religious preferences and with people who think differently from you. It amazes me that you can easily accept gay marriage, the killing of small babies inside of their mother’S wombs, and things alike, which are contrary to the human nature, and yet, can speak so boldly against religious practices that you don’t know anything about. You better stick with the political debate, which would help all that read your comments, than stirring up inconstitutional and intolerant thoughts against religious freedom.
Also, you better be absolutely sure that there is no God in heaven, that He doesn’t hear your words and does not care about them. You better be sure there is no Judgment Day awaiting for every human being in the after life. You better have scientific proofs of that to be so sure, because there are some events based on faith that can be proved scientifically, as for example, the back problem I used to have and that no doctor or treatment could heal, but after prayer was totally healed. The XR could not read the problem after that. Be sure of these things before you can be hold accountable to God, if He does exist, as I believe.

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By: honestpoet http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-398887 honestpoet Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:48:20 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-398887 Relatively speaking Obama IS a great candidate. He's bright and articulate and hardly eager to start unnecessary wars. He also taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, so I think he understands the legal foundations for the necessary separation of Church and State. I'm confident that any public embracing of Christianity that he's done has been largely to offset the continuing smearing of him by the GOP propaganda machine as a Muslim. Even if this feels like a choice between the lesser of two evils, there's no excuse to sit this one out. Considering the pervasive pernicious racism in our country, there's too good a chance that this race will be close. Any thinking atheist (or thinking American, for that matter) MUST vote for Obama/Biden if they don't want to risk seeing this country sink further and further into a failed-state theocracy. Relatively speaking Obama IS a great candidate. He’s bright and articulate and hardly eager to start unnecessary wars. He also taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, so I think he understands the legal foundations for the necessary separation of Church and State. I’m confident that any public embracing of Christianity that he’s done has been largely to offset the continuing smearing of him by the GOP propaganda machine as a Muslim.

Even if this feels like a choice between the lesser of two evils, there’s no excuse to sit this one out. Considering the pervasive pernicious racism in our country, there’s too good a chance that this race will be close. Any thinking atheist (or thinking American, for that matter) MUST vote for Obama/Biden if they don’t want to risk seeing this country sink further and further into a failed-state theocracy.

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By: Dark Energy http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-398842 Dark Energy Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:04:45 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-398842 Stardust, Sad but true. If only there were as many James Randis as there are faith healers. Stardust,

Sad but true. If only there were as many James Randis as there are faith healers.

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By: Stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-398837 Stardust Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:06:31 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-398837 <i>The claim that Thomas Muthee cured 23 people of AIDS made me laugh when I first read it but that laughter ended as I came to the grim realization that the false hope he gave may have led to exponentially more infections.</i> This is quite disturbing to think that these people who think they are cured of AIDS are most likely going around spreading death sentences upon others. Christians and their interference always make things worse. They believe they are helping when they are actually doing more harm than good. The claim that Thomas Muthee cured 23 people of AIDS made me laugh when I first read it but that laughter ended as I came to the grim realization that the false hope he gave may have led to exponentially more infections.

This is quite disturbing to think that these people who think they are cured of AIDS are most likely going around spreading death sentences upon others. Christians and their interference always make things worse. They believe they are helping when they are actually doing more harm than good.

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By: Dark Energy http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-398836 Dark Energy Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:45:54 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-398836 This just in... According to a webpage which is no longer online but which is cached at Internet Archive, Thomas Muthee, the religious zealot whose incantations Sarah Palin believes led to her being elected Governor, claims to have cured 23 people of AIDS… http://web.archive.org/web/20031213164752/www.godsglory.org/prayercave/main/cc1.html The claim that Thomas Muthee cured 23 people of AIDS made me laugh when I first read it but that laughter ended as I came to the grim realization that the false hope he gave may have led to exponentially more infections. Disturbing, infuriating, sad... and just another example of how dangerous the people who Sarah Palin has surrounded herself with are. This just in…

According to a webpage which is no longer online but which is cached at Internet Archive, Thomas Muthee, the religious zealot whose incantations Sarah Palin believes led to her being elected Governor, claims to have cured 23 people of AIDS…

http://web.archive.org/web/20031213164752/www.godsglory.org/prayercave/main/cc1.html

The claim that Thomas Muthee cured 23 people of AIDS made me laugh when I first read it but that laughter ended as I came to the grim realization that the false hope he gave may have led to exponentially more infections. Disturbing, infuriating, sad… and just another example of how dangerous the people who Sarah Palin has surrounded herself with are.

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By: Bronze Dog http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-398818 Bronze Dog Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:17:00 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-398818 Just watched. There's just no bottom to the muck, is there? Just watched. There’s just no bottom to the muck, is there?

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By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/09/29/sarah-palin-pastor-murthee-and-witchhunting/comment-page-1/#comment-398811 Eve Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:37:56 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=4218#comment-398811 OurLady, I've also heard recently that you folks over there across the pond are the population under the most surveillance and the most constant on the planet; how does it feel in Orwelliland? Do you feel safer? OurLady, I’ve also heard recently that you folks over there across the pond are the population under the most surveillance and the most constant on the planet; how does it feel in Orwelliland? Do you feel safer?

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