Comments on: The Warren Report – Just Who IS This Guy, Anyways? http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Matt http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-399958 Matt Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:48:41 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-399958 Why all of the anger guys? Just because he might have a different opinion than you doesn't justify your attitudes. If you knew him on a personal basis I guarantee that your harsh words would subside despite the fact that you might have a fundamental disagreement on religion. Cheer up, we're all on this planet together ;-) Why all of the anger guys? Just because he might have a different opinion than you doesn’t justify your attitudes. If you knew him on a personal basis I guarantee that your harsh words would subside despite the fact that you might have a fundamental disagreement on religion. Cheer up, we’re all on this planet together ;-)

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By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-396520 Eve Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:51:45 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-396520 <i>InTheImageOfDNA: You know, I think that statement gives us a key insight into one of the core psychological areas that religion parasitizes - a desire for a sense of certainty.</i> I call it infantilism (yeah, I know that's a term for something completely different), a wish to remain a child forever with a big, bad, strong sky daddy who's gonna kiss and make it all better, while kicking everybody who doesn't agree with you into eternal punishment. A desire for a sense of certainty is a kid's wish that everything be all right all the time, with everyone knowing exactly what to do and an unshakable authority regulating your life down to the tiniest detail. And all too many will probably never grow out of this need, ITIODNA... InTheImageOfDNA: You know, I think that statement gives us a key insight into one of the core psychological areas that religion parasitizes – a desire for a sense of certainty.

I call it infantilism (yeah, I know that’s a term for something completely different), a wish to remain a child forever with a big, bad, strong sky daddy who’s gonna kiss and make it all better, while kicking everybody who doesn’t agree with you into eternal punishment. A desire for a sense of certainty is a kid’s wish that everything be all right all the time, with everyone knowing exactly what to do and an unshakable authority regulating your life down to the tiniest detail.

And all too many will probably never grow out of this need, ITIODNA…

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By: benjamin http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-396486 benjamin Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:11:29 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-396486 WOW...so basically if you have the lawd jeebus in your life, you dont need logic or reasoning? I'm gonna start packing my bags now... WOW…so basically if you have the lawd jeebus in your life, you dont need logic or reasoning? I’m gonna start packing my bags now…

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By: InTheImageOfDNA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-396458 InTheImageOfDNA Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:07:49 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-396458 Fritzy, Your comments made me go back and thumb through this retard's book one more time. Listen to this one from page 187: <i>"Many of our troubles occur because we base our choices on unreliable authorities: culture ('everyone is doing it'), tradition ('we've always done it'), <b>reason ('it seemed logical'),</b> or emotion ('it just felt right'). All four of these are flawed by the Fall. What we need is a perfect standard that will never lead us in the wrong direction. Only God's Word meets that need."</i> (Bold added by me.) You know, I think that statement gives us a key insight into one of the core psychological areas that religion parasitizes - a desire for a sense of certainty. I always knew this, but had never run across such an overt example from one of their own mouths. Fritzy,

Your comments made me go back and thumb through this retard’s book one more time. Listen to this one from page 187: “Many of our troubles occur because we base our choices on unreliable authorities: culture (’everyone is doing it’), tradition (’we’ve always done it’), reason (’it seemed logical’), or emotion (’it just felt right’). All four of these are flawed by the Fall. What we need is a perfect standard that will never lead us in the wrong direction. Only God’s Word meets that need.” (Bold added by me.)

You know, I think that statement gives us a key insight into one of the core psychological areas that religion parasitizes – a desire for a sense of certainty. I always knew this, but had never run across such an overt example from one of their own mouths.

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By: fritzy http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-396454 fritzy Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:39:00 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-396454 "You were created as a special object of God’s love! God made you so He could love you.” Q: Would that be the "40 days and 40 nights of deluge kill the fuck out of everything" kind of love, or the "plagues of Egypt wish you were dead when all is said and done" kind of love? A: Neither of the above. That would be the "ordering you to kill your own son, then changing your mind at the last minute, as a test of faith" kind of love. Considering that the Gawd of which Warren speaks is neurotically needy in his weaker moments, and a psychotic killer in his finest hours, I'm going to take a pass and defer to a quote from Kurt Vonnegut's "Slapstick": "Please, a little less love, and a little more common decency." As for Warren--yeah, the dain bramage is no surprise, and of course he's trying to appear moderate as a political power grab. Religion, particularly of the fundy mega-church variety, is the fastest way to gain political and financial power these days (kinda like the dark ages, huh?) His fundy legion already knows where he stands--seemingly moderate appeals will not scare off the scary religious wing-nuts who make up his core. “You were created as a special object of God’s love! God made you so He could love you.”

Q: Would that be the “40 days and 40 nights of deluge kill the fuck out of everything” kind of love, or the “plagues of Egypt wish you were dead when all is said and done” kind of love?

A: Neither of the above. That would be the “ordering you to kill your own son, then changing your mind at the last minute, as a test of faith” kind of love.

Considering that the Gawd of which Warren speaks is neurotically needy in his weaker moments, and a psychotic killer in his finest hours, I’m going to take a pass and defer to a quote from Kurt Vonnegut’s “Slapstick”: “Please, a little less love, and a little more common decency.”

As for Warren–yeah, the dain bramage is no surprise, and of course he’s trying to appear moderate as a political power grab. Religion, particularly of the fundy mega-church variety, is the fastest way to gain political and financial power these days (kinda like the dark ages, huh?) His fundy legion already knows where he stands–seemingly moderate appeals will not scare off the scary religious wing-nuts who make up his core.

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By: Karen http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-396410 Karen Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:41:25 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-396410 So THAT'S who Rick Warren really is! The guy a brain disorder was named after! Of course I was familiar with him before this. But forevermore I will think of him as the Brain Disorder Guy. Very fitting. So THAT’S who Rick Warren really is! The guy a brain disorder was named after!

Of course I was familiar with him before this. But forevermore I will think of him as the Brain Disorder Guy.
Very fitting.

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By: ChuckA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-396397 ChuckA Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:12:30 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-396397 What's going on, I think, regarding this boldfaced outrageous example, and, for that matter, the continuous riddling of everything else throughout every aspect of American culture...witness the daily proof of that in the amazingly dumbed down media outlets...is the lobotomy-like inability of the average person to exercise even the most basic level of critical thinking. I maintain that religious brainwashing, in all its manifestations, essentially shuts down, or at least critically impairs, in the majority of the population, whatever genetically based potential any individual MIGHT have had for that oh-so-important, basic, essentially human skill. And obviously, as manifested in this Post's upper echelon mix of top rung politicians kowtowing to this particular Fundie idiot for the purpose of impressing the lowest common denominator brainwashed sheeple...it covers every conceivable strata of the population. Logical, rational, scientifically evidential, even "in your face", "right under one's nose" type data, go completely unnoticed to the "Religiously Lobotomized". And...it seems...there's really, objectively, nothing anyone can do to change that. It's totally up to the individuals themselves. It's also totally up to the rather "rare", still salvageable, individual...to awaken, somewhat slowly, often painfully; gradually evolving and emerging from the childhood initiated, amazingly oppressive, cocoon-like...mental prison. So...my fellow butterflies... All that, in my most humble, bottom-line opinion, is basically why arguing with ANY religiously indoctrinated person is an absolute, total waste of time. You might as well be banging your head against the nearest wall. Well...at least, doing that, you might accomplish shaking some stubborn dandruff loose! "HEY...it's summer...and...it's snowing... D'oh!" :shock: What’s going on, I think, regarding this boldfaced outrageous example, and, for that matter, the continuous riddling of everything else throughout every aspect of American culture…witness the daily proof of that in the amazingly dumbed down media outlets…is the lobotomy-like inability of the average person to exercise even the most basic level of critical thinking.
I maintain that religious brainwashing, in all its manifestations, essentially shuts down, or at least critically impairs, in the majority of the population, whatever genetically based potential any individual MIGHT have had for that oh-so-important, basic, essentially human skill. And obviously, as manifested in this Post’s upper echelon mix of top rung politicians kowtowing to this particular Fundie idiot for the purpose of impressing the lowest common denominator brainwashed sheeple…it covers every conceivable strata of the population.
Logical, rational, scientifically evidential, even “in your face”, “right under one’s nose” type data, go completely unnoticed to the “Religiously Lobotomized”. And…it seems…there’s really, objectively, nothing anyone can do to change that. It’s totally up to the individuals themselves.
It’s also totally up to the rather “rare”, still salvageable, individual…to awaken, somewhat slowly, often painfully; gradually evolving and emerging from the childhood initiated, amazingly oppressive, cocoon-like…mental prison.
So…my fellow butterflies…
All that, in my most humble, bottom-line opinion, is basically why arguing with ANY religiously indoctrinated person is an absolute, total waste of time.
You might as well be banging your head against the nearest wall.
Well…at least, doing that, you might accomplish shaking some stubborn dandruff loose!
“HEY…it’s summer…and…it’s snowing…
D’oh!” :shock:

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By: InTheImageOfDNA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2008/08/31/the-warren-report-just-who-is-this-guy-anyways/comment-page-1/#comment-396350 InTheImageOfDNA Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:14:36 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=3962#comment-396350 I made it through the first 60 or so pages of Warren's drivel, er I mean book, <i>The Purpose Driven Life</i> before I got sick of it. (I bought it used so my funds did not go to this quack.) There was not a page of those that I made it through that I did not write in the margin pointing out logical fallacies, gaffes, goofs, and imbecilities. Here's a contender for most ironic statement ever, occurring on page 39: <i>"...actually it's unhealthy to live in denial of death and not consider what is inevitable."</i> And try comprehending the arrogance and egocentrism of the following statement from page 24: <i>"Why did God do all of this? Why did he bother to go to all the trouble of creating a universe for us? [...] You were created as a special object of God's love! God made you so He could love you."</i> The guy comes off as a moderate on TV, at least from what I have watched. But make no mistake, he's a fundamentalist of the Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson stripe and it makes my hackles go up that he wields so much clout. I made it through the first 60 or so pages of Warren’s drivel, er I mean book, The Purpose Driven Life before I got sick of it. (I bought it used so my funds did not go to this quack.) There was not a page of those that I made it through that I did not write in the margin pointing out logical fallacies, gaffes, goofs, and imbecilities.

Here’s a contender for most ironic statement ever, occurring on page 39: “…actually it’s unhealthy to live in denial of death and not consider what is inevitable.”

And try comprehending the arrogance and egocentrism of the following statement from page 24: “Why did God do all of this? Why did he bother to go to all the trouble of creating a universe for us? [...] You were created as a special object of God’s love! God made you so He could love you.”

The guy comes off as a moderate on TV, at least from what I have watched. But make no mistake, he’s a fundamentalist of the Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson stripe and it makes my hackles go up that he wields so much clout.

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