The Flew affair: wrapping up the spin

24 November 2007 by The Uncredible Hallq

(Cross posted at The Uncredible Hallq)

AntonyFlewA couple of weeks ago, I declared I was taking a break from my blogging on the Antony Flew scandal. I’ve decided to come back to wrap up on the spin apologists have been putting out. For those new to the story, read the New York Times piece by Mark Oppenheimer on Flew first. It’s what touched off the controversy, and the defining feature of the whole thing is that the Evangelical apologists rushing to exploit Flew seem incapable of addressing it as it stands, but rather compulsively misrepresent it.

Christianity Today is just baffling:

In “The Turning of an Atheist, “Mark Oppenheimer raises questions galore without actually proving any of his points.

Oppenheimer supports everything he says with statements the people involved. What more proof does CT have in mind? It’s never explained.

He questions the degree of Flew’s involvement in writing the book…

Everybody agrees that Roy Varghese did most of the work writing the book, and this should not be much of a surprise to anyone who understands that “with” is frequently used as a euphamism for “ghostwriten by.”

…the credibility of scientists whose perspective Flew adopted…

I’ve read the article through many, many, times, but if Oppenheimer himself ever questions the credibility of the scientists involved, I keep missing it. Oppenheimer does quote Richard Carrier and Paul Kurtz doing so, but so what? I don’t know how he could have covered this story without mentioning the fact that the claims made in Flew’s book are controversial.

…and even Flew’s mental competence at the advanced age of 84. (Oppenheimer suggests that Flew may be “a senescent scholar possibly being exploited by his associates” and raises the possibility that his “memory [is] failing” and that “his powers [are] in decline.”)

This point is supported with a fair amount of details from Oppenheimer’s own conversations with Flew. Flew couldn’t remember relevant people, concepts events, and explicitly admitted he had erroneously endorsed a view because he had simply forgotten one of the main objections to it he had spent his life promoting. Again, what kind of proof does the CT author have in mind?

Bruce Chapman has put up a couple of posts at a Discovery Institute website so lacking in substance that it’s hard to find anything to criticize in them. In the first post, Chapman accuses the Times of having sent Oppenheimer to discredit Flew. The possibility that Oppenheimer simply set out to cover it and followed the facts where they lead is ignored without an attempt at justification. Then he calls the idea “that Flew is getting old and forgetful” a “conceit,” simply ignoring the grounds given for this conclusion. The second posts suggests a lawsuit against the times, without explaining what possible grounds there might be for such an action.

William Dembski, that paragon of honesty, has called the Times piece “vile” and “despicable,” without actually finding anything to criticize about it.

Journalist and philosophical wanabe Dinsesh D’Souza is another entry in the flat-out-lie school of spinning this one:

The only evidence that Flew has lost his mind is that he’s 84 years old.

No, the evidence is specific failures of memory documented by Oppenhiemer.

A man of 84 naturally loses some of his memory, especially for names, but this does not mean he has lost his marbles.

This next sentence should make us pause and wonder if even D’Souza knows what he’s trying to say. He acknowedges in a way that Flew’s memory failures are documented, but readers of D’Souza who haven’t read the Times article won’t be clear on this. He also seems to suggest that if you’re at an age where a problem is common, your having the problem doesn’t count as having the problem. If that’s D’Souza’s argument, all I can say is that it’s one of those things for which the phrase “WTF, mate?” was created.

Most of the positive Amazon.com reviews aren’t worth reading, much less responding to, but I’ll look at one because it’s from the literary agent for the book. The main criticism is rather confused:

The NT Times Magazine article referenced in other reviews could be categorized as an ad hominem argument (defined as “appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect, or attacking character and not content”). In an attempt to find a “story behind the story” the article sidesteps the actual story itself, which is that Antony Flew, a brilliant atheistic philosopher, has changed his mind about the existence of God.

First, the definition of ad hominem is weird, as standard definitions include only the second part. Second, the fallacy is only there if the inference that the arguments are unsound is drawn from the character flaws. If the information is simply presented as worth knowing (which it surely is), no fallacy committed. Finally, if the story is the conversion, not the arguments, how on earth can the agent complain about focusing on the man?

This is followed by a childlike statement from Flew, of whose authenticity I sadly have little doubt:

“My name is on the book and it represents exactly my opinions. I would not have a book issued in my name that I do not 100 percent agree with. I needed someone to do the actual writing because I’m 84 and that was Roy Varghese’s role. The idea that someone manipulated me because I’m old is exactly wrong. I may be old but it is hard to manipulate me. This is my book and it represents my thinking.”

Lastly, there is a quote from the publisher containing an outright lie: “the NYT Magazine writer generalized from Flew’s aphasia to senility.” For the half-dozenth time, Oppenheimer explicitly describes observing evidence of memory problems going far beyond Flew’s self-described “nominal aphasia.”

I have to say I’m surprised by the number of prominent Christians rushing to dirty their hands with such nonsense. In a way, I’m disappointed; it wasn’t supposed to be this easy to show the world what scumbags they are. Then again, I’ve already commented on how boring such frauds can be.

In lighter news, John Haldane wrote the Times to say his involvement with Flew was limited, and that Haldane “sensed that his vigor was reduced.” (Also published was a letter from Varghese, which I dealt with when it was published by Vic Reppert. The Times edited Varghese for length, but the stuff they cut wouldn’t change the blatant falseness of Varghese’s claim that “The only reason that people ask questions about his mental faculties is that he dared to change his mind.”) Valarie Tarico has an excellent post on the subject, which sets aside addressing the spin to actually understanding it. Finally, via ExChristian.net, there’s a somewhat outdated but still nice video of Richard Dawkins speaking on Flew.

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7 comments to “The Flew affair: wrapping up the spin”

  1. Raindogzilla:

    In the grand scheme of things, Flew’s ass backwards trip down the Damascus Road- as it were, means exactly jack shit. I mean, hell, let’s give him/them the benefit of the doubt- I’m feeling magnanimous- and proceed under the assumption that the man is both lucid and coherent, that the book accurately expresses his views, that he unequivocally renounces his atheism. Big fucking deal! I put it right up there with Dr. Frances Collins’ waterfall epiphany so far as it holds any significance or makes any contribution to the theist argument.

    For Gob’s sake, these people embrace the conversions of Stephen Baldwin, Kirk Cameron, and one of the burnouts from Korn. When you compare that to the thousands of us- hell millions, who’ve evolved in exactly the other direction, beyond the intellectual backwater and emotional prepubescence that is monotheism, it’s like they’re pissing up Niagara Falls.

    Even under the assumption that the Flew relapse is correct, it’s a statistical anomaly and the fact that they’re crowing so loud about it stinks of flopsweat and desperation.

    The IDiots, by the way, have just appointed Michael Medved- he of the mediocre film criticism and the rose colored glasses about slavery, to the Discovery Insanestitute. For his Shao-lin science skills, presumably.

  2. Krystalline Apostate:

    It’d be a real kicker, if Flew changed his mind again – the rush to judgment would be enormous, dontcha know?
    As to ‘Divine Wind’ Dumski, the coward bragged how he’d love to bring his ‘evidence’ to a courtroom, and, when provided w/an opportunity, didn’t show.
    Spineless, brain-dead malcontent.
    That review IS confused. Like this:

    Be aware that Flew could now be described as a deist, not a theist

    Ummm…whoops. Wrong-O! A deist is just another horse of a different color.
    Laube can’t even keep his definitions straight. Perhaps that’s on purpose?

  3. democommie™™™™™©®:

    Uncredible Hallq:

    I don’t know nuttin’ about this Flew guy, but I was listening to NPR (Nationa aPostate Radio) yestiddy and they had an interview on Science Friday with a Dr. (Paul?) Davis who just authored a book called “Hitting The Cosmic Jackpot” or something like that. His premise is that all of the “immutable” laws of the physical universe owe a lot to theologists who could not pass up a chance to make the universe too big to have been created by chance. Sounds like an interesting read.

  4. democommie™™™™™©®:

    Raindogzilla:

    Thank you for alerting me to my state of undress in the previous thread. I blame it on my preoccupation with late-onset potty training.

  5. Fritzy:

    As RDZ points out, this is an event that is the reverse of the statistical norm (perhaps the one thing that is making this story so newsworthy).

    So, one atheist makes a “conversion,” albeit not a conversion to any specific faith. So what?–people of honest reason outgrow their need for their make-believe friend everyday with little fan-fare. Little fan-fare, because the normal course of religious development is typically

    1. Holding on stubornly to ones faith despite reason
    2. Desperately converting from one superstition to the next
    3. or Finally abandoning said superstitions in favor of reason.

    Christisites appear to be the only ones messing their undies over this milqutoast midnight conversion. Seems odd that they would choose to do this, but I suppose it is in-line with the thinking of mainline evangelism these days–grasping at (fallaciously) logical leaps. They’ll take any converions in their direction that they can get (even if that “conversion” is akin to saying one has come close to moving from one rim of the Grand Canyon to the other by jumping into it.)

    Much like the ID “scientist” who attempts to “prove” the creation myth by “disproving” evolution, this conversion contributes little to theism in general, and Xtian appologetics specifically, and seems to me to be something that wise Xtian theologists would shy away from or play down at the very least. Honestly, my initial reaction to the the whole event when it was first reported was a yawn, and I think I probably would have forgotten about the whole story by now if not for the enormous amount of coverage it has recieved since then.

  6. Old Viking:

    As RDZ points out more eloquently, this is a non-event. And if the Flew episode is the sort of thing they are now grasping at for support, fundies are in deperate straits, indeed.

  7. Revenant:

    One Flew Over the Fundies Nest.