Archive for November, 2007

Here goes the Poop again . . .

30 November 2007 by Stardust

. . .all the evil in the world is the atheists’ fault.

This was in today’s Religion news:

Pope criticizes atheism in encyclical

VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI strongly criticized atheism in a major document released Friday, saying it had led to some of the “greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice” ever known.

This argument is getting to be so redundant. :roll:

Benedict sharply criticizes Marx and the 19th and 20th century atheism spawned by his revolution, although he acknowledges that both were responding to the deep injustices of the time.

Then there is this gem:

Rev. Robert Gahl, professor of ethics at Rome’s Santa Croce University, said the pope’s message was “tremendously relevant” for today’s materialistic societies “where people put hope in science and medical cures.”

All I can do is :roll:

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How the Democrats can destroy Huckabee

30 November 2007 by The Uncredible Hallq

Huckabee(Cross posted at The Uncredible Hallq)

It’s becoming increasingly likely that Mike Huckabee is going to be the Republican nominee. The Evangelicals will take one of their own if they can have one, they can have Huckabee, so they aren’t settling for a Mormon (Romney) or a vaguely secular type (Giuliani) or someone who only recently made friends with Jerry Falwell (McCain).

Today, Andrew Sullivan approvingly linked to a Mark Kleinman post declaring that one of the things Huckabee has going for him is that “he’s not a hater or a lunatic or a fool.”

I beg to differ.

Back when it looked like Romney might get the nomination, smart atheists like Brian Flemming were salivating over it as a chance to provoke more discussion about religious belief in this country.* Is Huckabee really all that much worse of a target, though? Sure, the lack of foreignness means its harder to get the ball rolling. But there’s a guarantee that the conversation won’t get bogged down on the mere foreignness of his beliefs, and we can get on to what really makes them crazy.

First, of course, is the evolution issue. The attack here is straightforward. If official Democratic party types want to put together something that will appeal to a mass audience, I’d suggest they start off with a good fossil line up, maybe a quick mention of DNA analysis, and then ask: If Huckabee can ignore such a well-established scientific fact, what other elements of reality will he succeed in ignoring? Do we want to be giving someone like that control of the most powerful military on Earth, including, let’s not forget, a good-sized nuclear arsenal? Have we forgotten what happened the last time a president was willing to ignored reality [cue photo of newspaper with headline announcing no WMDs have been found in Iraq]? The task is made even easier by the fact that Huckabee is officially agnostic on whether the Earth is a year over 6,000, so throw in something like DefCon’s Top 10 Reasons the Earth is not 6,000 years old. The dirty little secret of modern Creationists is that while they may find a lot of people who will tell poll takers they don’t believe in evolution, once the public controversy gets serious they don’t do so well. Dover voters eventually booted the creationists off their school board. Plenty of conservative pundits have quietly aligned themselves on a quasi-secular stance, and aren’t going to be too serious about defending him. Heck, while the number of creationists among the current crop of GOP presidential candidates is depressing, they’re still in a minority even among their own kind.

While the evolution angle would be an effective line of attack, it’s nothing compared to the mileage that could be gotten out of the whole eternal damnation issue. An ideal set up would require some good dirt-digging ability, but here’s a sample way of posing the question:

Rev. Huckabee, in 1998 the editor declared the fact that some Christians believe that non-Christians may go to heaven is a significant problem, and in fact an entire issue of the journal was dedicated to advocating this view. Do you agree or disagree?

If Huckabee, in responding, lets slip that he believes all non-Christians are going to Hell, hand it to the Anti-Defamation League and the Council on American-Islamic Relations and let them run with it. Talk about again and again until they do. Underline it with stupid-but-necessary questions, like, “If only Christians are going to Heaven, does this mean that no religious Jews are going to heaven?” After that, Huckabee’s gone. Even more so than with Creationism, the Evangelical doctrine of the Damnation of Everyone Who Disagrees With Us is something that may be widely preached when non-believers aren’t listening, but which Evangelicals recognize on some level as being completely indefensible. Heck, these days you can’t even get away with saying Jews would be somewhat better off as Christians (and I personally don’t think the shitstorm over Ann Coulter saying that made any sense). Baiting Huckabee on this issue makes the evolution thing look like an insanely risky gambit by comparison.

Sadly, this is all just a fantasy, as it’s very unlikely any Democrat will work up the backbone to do that. Unless… does anyone know if there are any chances left for average people to pose questions to candidates for the debates?

*and I’m not sure who Kleinman’s alleged hypocrites, mentioned at the bottom of his post, are.

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40 lashes over toy’s name

28 November 2007 by Stardust

Ahh, Islam, the religion of “peace”. All good this woman has done goes by the wayside, and no forgiveness for an innocent mistake.

Sudan charges Briton with insulting religion<

KHARTOUM, Sudan – A British teacher has been charged with inciting hatred, insulting religion and showing contempt of religious beliefs after her class named a teddy bear Muhammad, state media said on Wednesday.

*snip*

Gibbons was arrested Sunday and, if found guilty of insulting religion, could be punished with a whipping of up to 40 lashes, a fine or six months in prison.
Gibbons was arrested after one of her pupils’ parents complained, accusing her of naming the bear after Islam’s prophet and founder. Muhammad is a common name among Muslim men, but giving the prophet’s name to an animal would be seen as insulting by many Muslims.

School apologizes

Several Sudanese newspapers ran a statement Tuesday reportedly from Unity High School saying the administration “offers an official apology to the students and their families and all Muslims for what came from an individual initiative.” It said Gibbons had been “removed from her work at the school.”

[Ed. note: Typical...superstitious beliefs trump education with these delusional folks.]

Children reportedly chose name

Gibbons, 54, was teaching her pupils, who are around age 7, about animals and asked one of them to bring in her teddy bear, Boulos said. She asked the students to pick names for it and they proposed Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad, and in the end the pupils voted to name it Muhammad, he said.

*snip*

There were widespread calls in Britain for Gibbons’ release. The Muslim Council of Britain calls upon the Sudanese government to intervene.

British opposition Conservative party lawmaker William Hague called on the British government to “make it clear to the Sudanese authorities that she should be released immediately.”

“To condemn Gillian Gibbons to such brutal and barbaric punishment for what appears to be an innocent mistake is clearly unacceptable,” he said.


Addition: Here’s the news video

Addition #2…those bastards removed the video!

UPDATE NOVEMBER 29, 2007
Briton convicted in Sudan blasphemy case
A British teacher in Sudan was convicted Thursday of inciting religious hatred for letting her pupils name a teddy bear Muhammad, and she was sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation to Britain, one of her lawyers said.

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Atheism is the biggest threat to Humanity?

28 November 2007 by Stardust

I know I sound like a Xian troll by saying this, but I ran across this dumbass Yokeup while looking for something else. This is going to piss you off. It’s all the bullshit we hear from uneducated fundie trolls all the time, all rolled up into one dumbass video. I managed to listen to the whole thing, and had to go take a shower afterwards.

The country is 86% Xian (or thereabouts) but every “evil” and lack of morals is all our fault. Since there are so many Xians, and Xians = goodness, then there should be no homeless people, no starving people, no orphaned children, no people going without medical care, no people invading other countries and slaughtering people in other lands, etc. This guy and people like him need to grow a brain.

EDITORS NOTE: J-Walk’s blog pointed out a link to YokeUp Ministries, “God Tools”…LOL! Check out the bouncing sheep head. LOL!

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The Perfect Metaphor

26 November 2007 by jimmer

I was just thinking about an item the other day when it hit me. LeprechaunThe perfect metaphor for all things imaginary, superstitious, and childish. And this being the season for sharing I figured that I better get on over here and share this gem with you. Now I think you all know the Leprechaun story but just in case you don’t it goes something like this:

One day, awhile back, Willie was in the mens room of a major hotel. He was in there taking a leak when in strides a man who stops right beside Willie and proceeds to take a leak as well. Well Willie being curious can’t help but notice that this man is very well endowed. He also can’t seem to take his eyes off of this mans member. Needless to say that the man catches Willie looking and in a deep Irish brogue says, “Hey what do you think your doing?”

So Willie being caught gets embarrassed and stutters that he was just looking and couldn’t help but notice the size of the other mans member and in fact wished that he wasn’t so tiny.

“Ahh well yes I see”, says the man and adds “Well today must be your lucky day, what is your name?”

Willie is taken aback for a second but manages to squeak out, “Huh?, My name is Willie but how can this be my lucky day?”

The man says. “Well Willie it just so happens that I am a Leprechaun and I have a cure for your “Little” problem.”

Willie being curious says, “Oh really and how would that work?”

The Man/Leprechaun then explains that he has special powers of transference. That all he needs to do is stick his member up Willie’s rear and through the power of Leprechaun transference he, Willie, will receive a bigger member himself.

At the mere suggestion Willie recoils and says, ” You can’t be serious but, “That”, is just too much to bear.”

So with that the Man/Leprechaun zips up and is going but soon feels a tug on his sleeve. Sure enough there is Willie all embarrassed but quietly says that maybe he would give it a try.

At this the Man/Leprechaun becomes nearly ecstatic. He assures Willie that everything will go very well and it will all work out OK.

They then proceed to do the deed and Willie is taking it like a real trooper when after about (5) five minutes he speaks up with the Man/Leprechaun still putting it to him He says,”When do you think I will notice my member getting bigger?

At this the Man/Leprechaun giggles and says, ” Ahhh gee Willie you’re a little too old to be a believin in Leprechauns aren’t you?”

So with that I must conclude the perfect metaphor for all things religious, superstitious, etc, has just been written. Anyone with imaginary playmates or who entertain the idea of supernatural beings is just setting themselves up to take it up the old wazoo. Now just in case this isn’t the perfect one you may add to it or make up your own moral to this story if you like. Maybe we can put it in a book and title it something like “Chicken Gravy For The Rationalist” subtitled, “In The Kitchen In The Butt Bob, Confessions of a Reformed Anal Supplicant”.

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Censoring “offensive” surnames? WTF?

26 November 2007 by Stardust

A reverend in South Dakota wants a street renamed that was originally named after a Civil War general named Hooker. The name “Hooker” belongs to many people listed in the phone book of towns all across the country, and even in other parts of the world. Will these religious & other touchy folks who find the word “hooker” offensive want all these people named Hooker to change their family name? What about folks with the last name Hell, Butts or Dick and other names that might be “offensive” to others? What about those like this man named “Woodcock” (I know you can’t resist joking about these) who was refused a Microsoft Passport account because his last name was “too offensive”? Wanting to ban family names, no matter how funny or strange is just ridiculous.

South Dakota town may rename Hooker St.

WHITEWOOD, S.D. – If the Rev. David Baer has his way, the Whitewood City Council will change the name of one of the northern Black Hills town’s streets.

Hooker Street doesn’t quite lend itself to a family atmosphere and is offensive to some residents in the town of about 800 people, according to Baer.

It’s actually named after a Union general from the Civil War, but Baer said that even renaming it to General Hooker Street might not be much better.

Any renaming would affect one resident and six water bill accounts, said Brenda Lindstrom, Whitewood city finance officer.

The council is expected to discuss the request its Dec. 17 meeting.

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The worst of the good book?

25 November 2007 by vastleft

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Those of you who have seen my links in some posts and comments know that I’m slooowly reading the Holy Bible and assessing what it means to a modern reader — not historically, but literally and metaphorically.

As I’m nearing the end of the third book of sixty-six (Leviticus, that is), I’ve encountered one of the most disturbing passages yet:

16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.

18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

In other words, keep those creepy physical defectives away from my holy altar! God is love, doncha know, God is love.

There are so many unsavory passages in this vaunted tome, such as…

Beyond that there is constant rewarding of people who steal others’ birthrights and who rip off innocent Egyptians and punishing of people who aspire to God-like accomplishments.

The major story of the Pentateuch is that God is going to kick all the natives out of Canaan and give it to a small group of people that are his favorites. Doesn’t that sound like the nicest little deity you’ve ever heard of?

For y’all, who may have read much more of the One True Infallible Guide to Morality, what are your favorite examples of bad messages in the Good Book?

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Update:

Bonus out-of-context Bible quotes:

The coolest (so far) is from Genesis 27:11 — “I am a smooth man.”

The cruelest, so fitting for today’s Religious Right Repubs, from Leviticus 19:15 — “Thou shalt not respect the person of the poor.”

The truest, from Exodus 15:3 — “The LORD is a man of war.”

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Pity The Poor Palestinians…Why, Exactly?

25 November 2007 by KA

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Time to stir the hornet’s nest, it seems.

One of the items that set my teeth on edge, is this humongous blind spot leftist atheists have in regards the Palestinians.

I know, I know – I’ve gone on at length about this topic. Follow the link, please…while people do learn from repetition, there’s only so many times I can parrot the actual facts before I’m ready to put a fist through a wall in frustration.

And this - well, I confess I start seeing red when I hear/read this egregious horseshit:

Commodifying Honor in Female Sexuality: Honor Killings in Palestine

The family constitutes the fundamental building-block of Palestinian society. Family status is largely dependent upon its honor, much of which is determined by the respectability of its daughters, who can damage it irreparably by the perceived misuse of their sexuality

Every year, hundreds of women and girls are murdered in the Middle East by male family members. The honor killing-the execution of a female family member for perceived misuse of her sexuality-is a thorny social and political issue. Palestinian activists campaigning for equality find it difficult to stop the killings altogether. Legitimacy for such murders stems from a complex code of honor ingrained in the consciousness of some sectors of Palestinian society.

‘Thorny issue’ my homesick ass. Yeah, a real progressive society, I daresay. (To give credit where it’s due, there are Pali’s who are actively working to change this.)

Does this stem from any religious proclivities? Apparently so:

The Kurds of Turkey and Iraq who practice honor killings are not Arabs, nor are the predominantly Pashtun peoples of Afghanistan who engage in the practice. If honor-killing is a survival of an Arab, pre-Islamic custom, then it has been exported to Kurdish peoples and those in Afghanistan and the Indian sub-continent, a “fellow-traveler” during the early (pre-Ottoman) historical spread of Islam. Therefore, I do not buy into the argument that honor-killings have nothing to do with Islam. They are a living part of its history. Adultery, according to Sharia principles, is punishable by death, and most honor-killings involve suspected adultery. Apostasy is also, according to some Islamic schools of thought, punishable by death.

Of course, nothing is quite monochromatic, as this link shows there are varying degrees of Sharia law in different countries.

Honor killings are a barbaric, archaic holdover from earlier traditions. Note also, that the Palestinian Authority still doesn’t prosecute, as this is a holdover from when the Jordanians ruled the Gaza Strip, the last vestige of which was in 1988, via a law that is nearly 50 years old.

Back to this link:

In 2005 in Israel there were 15 recorded honor killings, with three of these taking place in the municipality of Ramle. Palestinians have engaged in savage honor killings, and with the rise of the Islamist group Hamas, there may be a rise in such murders. In April 2005, a young woman was killed for the “crime” of being with her fiancé in the Gaza 3 strip. Her killers were said to be Hamas’ morality police, the Anti-Corruption Unit. Twenty-two year old Yusra al-Azzami was in a car with her fiancé, and was shot from a vehicle which contained five masked men. After Yusra was shot, her dead body was dragged from the car and beaten with iron bars. Later, the fiancé and (her) sister were also beaten.
In the Palestinian territories, there has been an increase in honor killings. Last month a 40-page report was compiled by Ohaila Shomar of women’s rights group SAWA. Until 2004, there were 10 to 12 murders of women each year in Palestinian territories. Over the past three years, there have been 48 murders of females aged from 12 to 85 years old. Of these cases, 32 have been honor killings. The Times states that last year, 17 Palestinian women were honor victims. 12 were killed in the Gaza Strip and 5 were killed in the West Bank.

For more gut-wrenching facts:

The reasoning behind honor killings is alien to the Western mind. Though not recent, the case of Amira Abu Hanhan Qaoud, a mother of nine who killed her teenaged daughter Rofayda on January 27, 2002 shows a callousness that shocks. Rofayda had been raped by her two elder brothers in their shared bedroom in their Ramallah home.
She became pregnant
. On December 23, 2002, Rofayda gave birth to a baby boy at a women’s shelter in Bethlehem. She returned to the family’s three bedroom home in the suburb of Abu Qash. The family and village heads signed a promise that they would not harm the teenager. The two brothers were jailed.
Amira Qaoud did not keep her promise. She bought razor blades, and ordered her daughter to slash her own wrists. When Rofayda refused, her mother smothered her with a plastic bag, slashed the girl’s wrists and hit her with a wooden stick. The killing took twenty minutes. Amira Qaoud said: “She killed me before I killed her. I had to protect my children. This is the only way I could protect my family’s honor.” Her nine year old daughter Fatima echoed her sentiments, saying: “My mother did this because she does not want us to be punished by people. I love my mother much more now than before.”
In Palestinian territories, a murder is regarded as less serious if it is an honor killing, and thus honor killers receive from six to twelve months’ jail. This stems from Jordanian legislation from 1960. Article 340 of the Jordanian Penal Code affirms that “he who discovers his wife or one of his female relatives committing adultery with another, and he kills, wounds or injures one or both of them, is exempt from any penalty…he who discovers his wife, or one of his female ascendants or descendants or sisters with another in an unlawful bed and he kills, wounds or injures one or both of them, benefits from a reduction of penalty.” In addition to this, Article 98 of the Penal Code allows a educed sentence if a perpetrator kills in a “fit of fury”.

Even though the FSM (geez, I long for the days when the only acronyms we knew were NFL and NBA, but oh well) is a fairly heavy Christian apologetics site, this doesn’t negate the facts. Here’s yet another report from the BBC:

She was last seen at half past two on a Saturday afternoon looking down from a window in her family’s apartment.

They live on a main road, in a building that houses an ice-cream shop. Outside a religious procession was making its way through the streets.

Someone walking in that procession, who knew her face and her troubles, glanced up and saw her.

Less than two hours later, she was dead – her skull crushed – reportedly by blows from an iron bar.

Her name was Faten. She was 22-years-old, a Palestinian Christian from the West Bank city of Ramallah.

After her lifeless body was found, her father and an aunt were taken into custody.

So let’s take inventory:

We have a group here (mostly Arab Muslims, not restricted to Palestine) that

A. treats women like property (read: shit), and
B. teaches their children to not only hate the ‘invaders’, but also that it’s good to fucking blow them up.

And ‘fess up, folks: if this were any other religious group, the bunch of Pali apologists among you would be hollering, nay, bellowing your lungs out, for something resembling justice, wouldn’t you? Demanding fist-in-palm that some sort of reforms be set in place, some form of gob-damned education be instituted, some mechanisms be put in place to halt this hideous activity?

Do please, spare me all the old vacuous homilies: the ‘this is all Israel’s fault!’ folderol, the Palis are responding to invaders of their home turf (who had it first, anyways? What’s the statute of limitations on that sorta thing?), the long-winded arguments over land ownership (I, for one, don’t buy the ‘empty land’ argument of the Zionists), or the romantic painting of Palestinians’ plight as underdogs.

It’s a paintbrush dipped in blood, for one.

Oh, and do please spare me the rubbish that I’m intimating that Israel’s above reproach, because it’s not. Just about every government on earth is in need (dire or otherwise) of serious reform. There are varying degrees of lunacy to be found in any ruling body: take as your yardstick, the current events of the situation, measure, and cut accordingly.

So, in a nutshell: I’m going to withhold any sympathy, until these loons actually get their shit together, stop begging Allah (peanut butter and jelly be upon him) for an intercession that’ll never come, and actually alter their approach (because let’s face facts, folks: it’s going onwards of about 60 years of butting heads against brick walls, and there’s a lotta spilled brain matter, and little in the way of erosion of said wall) that somewhat resembles something other than an Iron age anachronistic behavior pattern.

Choose the lesser of two evils, I always say: choose wisely.

This is the Apostate, signing off.

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