Archive for October, 2007

Fox News Attacks “Godless” Free Thought Radio

17 October 2007 by Stardust

What a bunch of pretentious asshats! Lauren Green and others at Faux News have gone into their persecution mode about “Godless” Air America’s FreeThought Radio and claim that the radio station is starting a “war on religion.” Theists just can’t stand atheists having their own radio program (and billboards!). They have to keep stating how small the number of atheists are in comparison to theists. If we aren’t a threat, then why all the defensiveness? Because there will be “irreverence”, and there will be discussion about how we don’t need religious beliefs to live moral, productive and respectable lives.


The freethought radio show is put together by the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

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“Anger is a Gift”

16 October 2007 by Bob

Hulk No Like XiansYep, once in a while you just need a boost from Da Boize.

As a follow-up to my previous post, I found this little ditty from Pharyngula:

I’m angry that according to a recent Gallup poll, only 45 percent of Americans would vote for an atheist for President.

I’m angry that atheist conventions have to have extra security, including hand-held metal detectors and bag searches, because of fatwas and death threats.

I’m angry that atheist soldiers — in the U.S. armed forces — have had prayer ceremonies pressured on them and atheist meetings broken up by Christian superior officers, in direct violation of the First Amendment. I’m angry that evangelical Christian groups are being given exclusive access to proselytize on military bases — again in the U.S. armed forces, again in direct violation of the First Amendment. I’m angry that atheist soldiers who are complaining about this are being harassed and are even getting death threats from Christian soldiers and superior officers — yet again, in the U.S. armed forces. And I’m angry that Christians still say smug, sanctimonious things like, “there are no atheists in foxholes.” You know why you’re not seeing atheists in foxholes? Because believers are threatening to shoot them if they come out.

I’m angry that the 41st President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, said of atheists, in my lifetime, “No, I don’t know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.” My President. No, I didn’t vote for him, but he was still my President, and he still said that my lack of religious belief meant that I shouldn’t be regarded as a citizen.

I’m angry that it took until 1961 for atheists to be guaranteed the right to serve on juries, testify in court, or hold public office in every state in the country.

I’m angry that almost half of Americans believe in creationism. And not a broad, “God had a hand in evolution” creationism, but a strict, young-earth, “God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years” creationism.

And, once again, as I’ve said before: “So, when you get the urge to ask us why we’re ’so angry’, try shutting the fuck up and looking around. Once you actually break out of your solipsistic world, you’ll see (1) that there are other people in the world, and (2) that your beliefs actually do affect these other people.”

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to Da Boize

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Remember Conservapedia?

15 October 2007 by Ford

Remember conservapedia? I know it’s old news. People talked about what bullshit it was and moved on. But today, I got curious about it, because I hadn’t heard about it in a long time. So I dropped by. I guess I was just having too good of a time today and decided that I needed to be punished. I sort of wish that I had just shoved a pine cone up my ass instead, but I couldn’t find one.

Now conservapedia’s main purpose for existence is to provide a balance to perceived liberal bias in wikipedia. I wouldn’t give a shit normally if it was just conservapedia, but what’s bothering me is that I’ve seen otherwise intelligent, semi-conservative folks laugh at the mention of wikipedia and say “Oh, that super liberal bullshit? Whatever…” or something like that.

The funny thing to me is, normally I’m very good at bending my lens of perception to see how somebody of a certain view could see something as being biased, flawed, etc. but when it comes to wikipedia, I can’t find shit. If anything, wikipedia is somewhat frustrating at times in it’s anti-POV stance, going so far as to be agnostic on just about every topic in existence. But hey, it works in it’s favor in the end. It eliminates most claims to some overarching invisible liberal hand controlling everything. So how can people claim wikipedia is a super liberal encyclopedia? I find, as I’m sure we all have, that conservatives (of the conservapedia variety) tend to dismiss anything that’s doing anything less than sucking the cock of conservative values as liberal bias.

Curious Guy: Hey, what’s this homosexual agenda I’ve been hearing about?

Wikipedia: Some people believe that there is an agenda put forth and propogated by homosexuals to corrupt children, government, etc.

Conservapedia: You liberal pussy heathen!!! Such liberal bias. It’s a sad day when such filth is put into our children’s innocent little minds. Tell the truth!! There is a massive agenda on the part of the sodomites to take over and control everything against GODS word!! You sir, are a faggot. Hippy-pedia is more like it.

Curious Guy: Who’s that?

Wikipedia: Conservapedia is a website. It’s main target is to counter what it has alleged as liberal bias on wikipedia and claims that I’m a “faggot”[1] and should be renamed “Hippy-pedia”[2].

Conservapedia: More liberal lies…

Curious Guy: Didn’t sound like he was doing anything liberal to me. He was just reporting what he had heard.

Aschlafly: Banned and locked to prevent anymore liberal slander.

Curious guy: WTF?
WTF?

I don’t know. It’s just so exhausting. It’s not like some arguments. Super fundies are amazing like that. It’s like their mind is a simple flow chart. It has a list of knee-jerk words with an automated response to each one. If an unknown argument is presented and you don’t have control over the situation, ignore it and spew out a bunch of other bullshit rapidfire, like a machine-gun so that the arguer gets so bogged down countering all of your bullshit with actual arguments that you can proclaim victory. If an unknown argument is presented but you DO have control over the situation, just shut them up/ban them/lock the topic and proclaim victory.

I just don’t get it. How can people be so fucking dishonest, hypocritical, and just plain old mean? I understand the moderate believer. I was one a few years ago. But the former I’ll never get or rather, I’ll understand, but be unable to imagine what it’s like to have such a pathetic existence. Just try to imagine your life being so meaningless. So pathetic and petty. One major fear of mine is to slip into obscurity and to ultimately be a waste of flesh and energy. These people seem so fucking sure of themselves and their unfounded, evidence starved beliefs that they’re just marching into obscurity by the millions and will no doubt either force all of humanity into obscurity through self destruction or eventually die off and be nothing more than a pimple on the ass of human history.

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Road Report: Magic Electricity

14 October 2007 by Naomi

Funny_Nose_glassesDateline: Butte, Montana

Fall is late this year, even in Big Sky Country. Only the cottonwood trees have changed; just a yellow that is most uninteresting. The boxelders are still green. No sign of quaking aspens (a birch-like tree common to the Rockies), which turn an eerie light-yellow that shimmers in the smallest breeze. My brother-in-law tells me that Tennessee’s fall is also late and that he expects that the leaves will turn brown and fall, robbing one of the beautiful “color” we’ve come to expect. Or depend on, as the Northeast does, with their “color tours” that attract people from all over the world. A month ago, we were in Nashua, New Hampshire and were amazed that there was no sign of fall — not even a single dark-red sumac. Sad, isn’t it?

We just saw a billboard a few miles back; it made us both angry. Picture this: a young male, wearing a wife-beater tank-top, pointing a revolver (gripped with both hands; huge opening aimed at anyone reading it). The legend? “If God doesn’t matter to him, why would you?” The default message: belief in gord is good, atheism is bad.

A most strange thing is religion. Montana is very libertarian but I think their default is xian, thanks to Pascal’s Wager. Which is weird — they don’t like “government is Boss” but allow for “Gord is Boss”.

The other night I was treated to yet another California aroma: it’s grape season just now and I was smelling something I couldn’t immediately identify…until I passed the Delicato winery. ‘Tis the season of grape-crushing, a pagan festival that takes many forms. And one form is a grape-crushing exhibition by VIPs and politicos held in San Francisco. The rules are simple: no throwing the mashed pulp. That rule was respected…for almost four minutes, and the adult version of “frat-food-fight” was on. Too funny!

I did mention electricity, didn’t I? And it may be a reach but electricity is what runs the body, including the sense of smell and how odors are stored in the brain, thus making the nose possibly more complex than the all-wonderful eye that the fundies use to prove gord’s hand in our “creation”, since a sense of smell is needed for the sense of taste. The miracle of smelling something that can yank you back to a past time, and dredge other accompanying memories with it, is a phenomenon that is still poorly understood. I can smell aftershave on a man and go time-traveling. A perfume may remind me of a teacher. I can just think of library paste and crayons and remember the smell. And the taste! The indelibility of some smells is mysterious; cops say that once you smell decomposing flesh, you’ll always “know” well before you find the body…

BTW, two other aromas from California: in April, one year, I asked what that overpowering smell was (it was almost suffocating!). It turned out to be real orange blossoms — not mock. And I once woke up when John got to the shipper in Gilroy. The smell was claustrophobic; it was familiar but so potent, I was stumped. FWI, Gilroy is the World Capital of Garlic growing and production. And it was the week following harvest and production was going on. It’s said that the smell never leaves the clothes and homes of Gilroy… You must really, REALLY love garlic, if you plan to move there.

And on a frustrating note, I wore a Brights Tshirt for two days and no one challenged me! What’s with that? I thought for sure a fundie would at least “accidentally” elbow me or shove me. Maybe that social equivalent of “keying” is best done when no one can see. Cowards.

Finally, I read that President Godsend is going to defy China and honor the Dalai Lama, the least offensive of the worlds’ religious leaders (to my mind). When I told John about it (and how Bush had created a furor in Rome when he treated the Poop with his casual manner), my husband said, “I wonder if the Dalai Lama is aware that he has Oil?”

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Blithering Blog-viations: Dinesh D’Souza Does the Dervish Dance Of The Delusional…

14 October 2007 by KA

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(For the full cartoon, click here)

I became aware of this particularly irritating conservative mouthpiece via Pharyngula, via this piece as well as this one, and as this little ditty suggests, the fellow must indeed be somewhat batshit insane.

So, no little surprise when this sock muppet vomits up this really foolish piece of “wisdom” -

World’s Leading Atheist Now Believes in God

(It’s been a while since I’ve done a good fisking, so time to stretch the joints, and go to it.)

For the past half century, the leading atheist in the world was philosopher Anthony Flew. He wrote over 30 philosophical works laying the intellectual groundwork for nonbelief.

Right out the gate, D’Snooza really blows it. ‘Non-belief’ has had a colorful and diversified groundwork laid for many, many centuries. I do so despise folks who make it sound like it’s some fad, less than a few decades old.

 He debated Christian apologists. He was widely cited in atheist literature and at atheist conventions. What distinguished Flew was how comprehensive and fully-developed his atheist philosophy was. Other philosophers, such as Bertrand Russell and Martin Heidegger, espoused atheist beliefs but those beliefs were incidental to their philosophy. Atheism was Flew’s philosophy. HIs works such as Theology and Falsification and The Presumption of Atheism were considered classics of theist thought.

Here he plays the little ‘atheism is a religion too’ card, which would slip by the less-informed reader.

Then Anthony Flew became a believer, and his book There Is A God describes his intellectual journey. Go ahead and order this book, along with my new book, What’s So Great About Christianity. Together the two books represent what atheism has always dreaded: historically based, philosophically rich, scientifically fluent, logically reasoned refutations of atheism.

As to Flew, his change of heart really doesn’t represent the rest of us, since we don’t have any high priests, or rely heavily on authoritative figures. There’s plenty of folks who switch sides, and last I checked, religion’s getting marginalized on a regular basis, to where it hardly matters as much as once it did. “As the arteries harden, the heart softens”, as H. L. Mencken once said.

Flew had no say in my choice. Raise of hands: how many of you out there used this fellow as a basis? Anyone?

Note that:

A. The Flew book isn’t to be released till later this month,

B. It’s already received a mixed review on Amazon, and

C. D’Snooza’s obviously trying to hitch a ride to promote his book.

Flew says he has a lifelong commitment to going “where the evidence leads.” And now, he calmly says, the evidence leads to theism.

He’s English: of course he’s going to be calm about it. Yeesh.

His own past writings have been exposed as a “relic.” Flew writes, “My discovery of the divine has proceeded on a purely natural level, without any reference to supernatural phenomena…It has had no connection with any of the revealed religions. Nor do I claim to have had any personal experience of God or any experience that may be called supernatural or miraculous. My discovery of the divine has been a pilgrimage of reason and not of faith.”

That’s all well and good: I may just get his book, but not D’Snooza’s.

However, the following is good for a goggled giggle:

Flew’s argument for God combines science and philosophy, and I’ll let you discover it for yourself in his book.

Gee, thanks.

What I enjoyed was the way he uses simple analogies to expose atheist illogic. For instance, leading atheists seek to prove that the mind is no more than the brain. If the brain is destroyed, they say, we can’t use our minds. Therefore there is nothing to minds excerpt circuits and neurons. Flew gives the example of a child raised on a remote island who finds a satellite phone. Voices come out of the machine. The child recognizes these voices as human and is thrilled by the discovery that she has found a way to interact with other humans. Perhaps there is life outside the island! Then the elders of the tribe (if I may embellish Flew’s account, let’s call them Big Chief Dawkins, Grand Pooh Bah Dennett, and Witch Doctor Pinker) scorn the child and say, “Look, when we damage the instrument, the voices stop. So they’re obviously nothing more than sounds produced by the unique combination of metals and circuit boards. Forget about learning about other humans. From all the evidence we have, we are the only living creatures on earth. So go back to making sandcastles.” Who are the real dummies here?

I really do hope that D’Snooza’s quoting out of context, because that’s the fucking dumbest analogy I could’ve ever read. Complete non sequitor. First off, a human being is not ‘receiving signals’ from elsewhere. The human body is entirely self-contained: IOW’s, the brain is the sole source of our thoughts, responses, cogitations, etc. Are there any studies (I mean, serious studies, not cobbled up by a kook in a tinfoil hat) that even point to an outside source? Are we just meat puppets for your little cosmic baby sitter?

Of course, this is a squalid effort to portray atheists as blinkered, stubborn individuals who refuse to consider evidence contrary to what we as individuals would rather ‘believe’, but where is the evidence? Flew posits that the teleological argument is powerful in and of itself, and it is a toughie, I’ll grant that. But since this universe seems to be a black hole factory, and the abounding evidence that if there was a designer, the clown would be fired from the interior/exterior design department of any retailer in the US, we can pretty much scotch the whole concept. That is, if anyone minds the sheer incompetence of the job.

Anthony Flew has been banished from the atheist community. Anthologies have been reprinted removing his essays.

Community? We still don’t really have a community. Such is the way with free-thinkers. Which anthologies? I’m seriously curious.

Atheist websites condemn him as an apostate. (Atheist toleration does not extend to former atheists.)

To which I reply:

“For one man to say to another, “I tolerate you,” is an assumption of authority — not a disclaimer, but a waiver, of the right to persecute.” – Ingersoll

And since no one is tarring and feathering the man, I can safely assume that simple disagreement doesn’t constitute actual intolerance.

He doesn’t even make the case for Christianity, as I do.

?!?!? When exactly was that, D’Snooza? When you trotted out this little gem?

But perhaps God’s purpose in the world (I am only thinking aloud here) is to draw his creatures to him. And you have to admit that tragedies like this one at Virginia Tech help to do that!

Really, truly, these conservative mouthpieces just leave me a-goggle, when truculent dipsticks open their mouths and begin babbling some of the worst sort of nonsenses.

 But Anthony flew out of the atheist cuckoo’s nest, leaving anger and confusion among the unbelievers.

Really, now: I know there’s probably some ticked off atheists out there, but then, this is one guy, out of a long, long list of non-believers. D’Snooza would have the average believer think we were on the fucking ropes here.

Not even close.

And religion is the cuckoo, here, folks. Brief synopsis: the cuckoo bird lays its eggs in another species’ nest, and the offspring end up hoarding the food and shoving its nest-mates out. History will bear out this analogy. Christianity alone has laid its eggs in far too many cultures, and forced its backwards ways on too many folks for far too long.

 And now Flew tells us why he rejects atheism. The atheist monopoly on public debate is over: the theists are striking back.

 Monopoly? What planet is this guy living on? Bizarro World? The US is virtually inundated with crap about religion, it’s fucking everywhere. Challenging the delusory status quo is the American Way, it’s what we do, in the (far too) slow  maturation process of humanity.

Really, these cheap histrionics pretty much make Dinesh D’Snooza (who needs to seriously wake his ass up) the latest version of the Jerry Springer of journalism.

Is anyone reeling from the impact? Slapping the ring tarmac? ‘Cause I’m telling you, folks: I’m still waiting for a knockout punch, and thus far, am still standing with my dukes up. I’m still waiting for a contender.

This is the Apostate signing off. Till the next post, then.

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“Moment of Silence” Mandated for Illinois Schools

13 October 2007 by Stardust

This is disturbing. Schools in Illinois have always had the option to have a moment of silence, but it was the teacher’s choice whether to implement it or not, but now it’s mandated by law. What a sneaky-ass way to get around the whole separation of church and state issue by calling this a “neutral moment of silence”.

From chicagotribune.com

SPRINGFIELD—State lawmakers thrust Illinois into the center of the national debate on school prayer today as the House approved legislation to require public schools to provide students with a moment of silence at the start of classes.

Students from kindergarten through high school will be allowed to silently pray in whatever faith they practice or simply sit and reflect quietly. Illinois teachers and students have had the option of doing so since 2002, but it wasn’t mandated.

The Illinois House voted to override Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s late August veto of the silent-moment measure. The governor cited concerns about the separation of church and state.

“The law in Illinois today already allows teachers and students the opportunity to take a moment for silent thought or prayer, if they chose to,” Blagojevich wrote. “I believe this is the right balance between the principles echoed in our constitution, and our deeply held desire to practice our faith. As a parent, I am working with my wife to raise our children to respect prayer and to pray because they want to pray—not because they are required to.”

But the Senate moved to overturn the governor’s veto last week by a wide margin, and the House did the same today.

FULL STORY LINK AND VIDEO CLIP

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Praise Be! Glory!

11 October 2007 by Bob

Christian-Fascism Awareness Week

The Christian right has lured tens of millions of Americans, who rightly feel abandoned and betrayed by the political system, from the reality-based world to one of magic — to fantastic visions of angels and miracles, to a childlike belief that God has a plan for them and Jesus will guide and protect them. This mythological worldview, one that has no use for science or dispassionate, honest intellectual inquiry, one that promises that the loss of jobs and health insurance does not matter, as long as you are right with Jesus, offers a lying world of consistency that addresses the emotional yearnings of desperate followers at the expense of reality. It creates a world where facts become interchangeable with opinions, where lies become true — the very essence of the totalitarian state. It includes a dark license to kill, to obliterate all those who do not conform to this vision, from Muslims in the Middle East to those at home who refuse to submit to the movement. And it conveniently empowers a rapacious oligarchy whose god is maximum profit at the expense of citizens…. [...] Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the Christian right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the powerbrokers in the Christian right have moved from the fringes of society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Forty-five senators and 186 members of the House before the last elections earned approval ratings of 80 to100 percent from the three most influential Christian right advocacy groups — the Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. President Bush has handed hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid to these groups and dismantled federal programs in science, reproductive rights and AIDS research to pay homage to the pseudo-science and quackery of the Christian right….

Thanks to Pharyngula for the link…

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The trouble with Islam – Pat Condell

10 October 2007 by Stardust

Many here have much respect and admiration for Pat Condell, and since recent posts and comment threads here have been on the subject of the religion of Islam and its demands for “religious tolerance” in western nations for things that would never be accepted, respected or tolerated by other religions and cultures, I thought that some might be interested in what Pat has to say on the subject in the following two YouTube videos. (at risk of having to take some heat and be accused of being “Islamophobic” for posting these.) Pat is very brave for the things he speaks out against Islam on camera. (Please listen to these in their entirety, especially the second video.)

March 16, 2007

August 17, 2007
Islam in Europe


You can download an audio version of this video at http://patcondell.libsyn.com/

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