Comments on: Religious leanings http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: vastleft http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-274549 vastleft Fri, 08 Jun 2007 02:54:34 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-274549 Eve, I've been to Sodom and Gomorrah, but the others are all in the offing. Of those fateful towns, <a href="http://bs4a.blogspot.com/2006/12/genesis-19.html" rel="nofollow">my take was</a>:<blockquote>It's no wonder that Sodom can't scrape together 10 decent souls, if the best people they have are Lot and his two daughters. O.T. family values are quite a standard to live up to: Lot offers up his married-virgin daughters to a vicious mob, and then the girls slip him a mickey and rape him.</blockquote> Eve,

I’ve been to Sodom and Gomorrah, but the others are all in the offing.

Of those fateful towns, my take was:

It’s no wonder that Sodom can’t scrape together 10 decent souls, if the best people they have are Lot and his two daughters.

O.T. family values are quite a standard to live up to: Lot offers up his married-virgin daughters to a vicious mob, and then the girls slip him a mickey and rape him.

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By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-274509 Eve Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:40:38 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-274509 Ah, vastleft, the joys you have ahead of you in your bible study! Sodom and Gomorrah yet? King David's successors? Jael and Sisera, Judith (if you have that version), Jezebel eaten by dogs-- Oops, I almost let slip some spoilers; have fun. Ah, vastleft, the joys you have ahead of you in your bible study! Sodom and Gomorrah yet? King David’s successors? Jael and Sisera, Judith (if you have that version), Jezebel eaten by dogs–

Oops, I almost let slip some spoilers; have fun.

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By: vastleft http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-274302 vastleft Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:41:15 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-274302 Aaron, I appreciate that you are critical of some of the hateful blowhards in religion today. I'm slowly <a href="http://bs4a.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">working my way through the Bible</a>, but as of Exodus 16, I'm absolutely horrified by the terrible messages it sends. I've got a ways to go until I get to the Jesus stories, but anyone who states that "our lives must be lived in obedience to his teaching," is selling something I ain't buying, especially when it comes from questionably translated documents written decades after his death and thousands of years ago. I'm always up for an "open, reasonable discussion about our beliefs," though your definition of reasonable and mine may well differ. Methinks faith in ancient supernatural stories is one of those places where "faith and reason *are* mutually exclusive." I can have faith that David Ortiz will come through with a clutch hit (usually, like any baseball player, he doesn't, but he does it often and heroically, so I continue to have a little faith), and faith that the sun will "come up" tomorrow (a lot of documented history and science suggest it will), but having faith that God sent his only begotten son, born of a virgin, to be crucified to cleanse the world's sins and that he bodily ascended to heaven -- that kind of faith strikes me as silly at best. I'm sorry that you and so many other people are deeply attached to profoundly believing in such myths, and I wish it didn't seem disrespectful to say so -- I don't desire to be disrespectful -- but banking so much on such a belief is a foible a reasoning person ought to find quite disturbing, and appropriate to criticize. If you find certain Bible stories or characters inspiring (as metaphors, as fiction), I don't have any beef with that per se, though I look forward to catching up with parts of the Good Book that strike me that way. Aaron,

I appreciate that you are critical of some of the hateful blowhards in religion today.

I’m slowly working my way through the Bible, but as of Exodus 16, I’m absolutely horrified by the terrible messages it sends.

I’ve got a ways to go until I get to the Jesus stories, but anyone who states that “our lives must be lived in obedience to his teaching,” is selling something I ain’t buying, especially when it comes from questionably translated documents written decades after his death and thousands of years ago.

I’m always up for an “open, reasonable discussion about our beliefs,” though your definition of reasonable and mine may well differ.

Methinks faith in ancient supernatural stories is one of those places where “faith and reason *are* mutually exclusive.”

I can have faith that David Ortiz will come through with a clutch hit (usually, like any baseball player, he doesn’t, but he does it often and heroically, so I continue to have a little faith), and faith that the sun will “come up” tomorrow (a lot of documented history and science suggest it will), but having faith that God sent his only begotten son, born of a virgin, to be crucified to cleanse the world’s sins and that he bodily ascended to heaven — that kind of faith strikes me as silly at best.

I’m sorry that you and so many other people are deeply attached to profoundly believing in such myths, and I wish it didn’t seem disrespectful to say so — I don’t desire to be disrespectful — but banking so much on such a belief is a foible a reasoning person ought to find quite disturbing, and appropriate to criticize.

If you find certain Bible stories or characters inspiring (as metaphors, as fiction), I don’t have any beef with that per se, though I look forward to catching up with parts of the Good Book that strike me that way.

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By: Myron http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-274289 Myron Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:16:41 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-274289 I do not want to sound pessimistic but I am going to say so any way. The reasons why nothing is happening is because no wants to step on any one toes. It is one big social game that most people are playing. Even so you tell or at least help them, they [Christians]will rebuke an argument even so they do not know anything. The only way I can see anything changing is if someone stands up for their beliefs and fight the notions like Susan B. Anthony and Martin Luther King. I do not want to sound pessimistic but I am going to say so any way. The reasons why nothing is happening is because no wants to step on any one toes. It is one big social game that most people are playing. Even so you tell or at least help them, they [Christians]will rebuke an argument even so they do not know anything.

The only way I can see anything changing is if someone stands up for their beliefs and fight the notions like Susan B. Anthony and Martin Luther King.

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By: jimmy dean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-274112 jimmy dean Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:33:52 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-274112 bill o'reilly begoth geraldo begoth paula zahn begoth dirt tampons that mingled with dirt jizz rags in the trash and begoth tucker carlson bill o’reilly begoth geraldo begoth paula zahn begoth dirt tampons that mingled with dirt jizz rags in the trash and begoth tucker carlson

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By: Stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-273949 Stardust Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:17:48 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-273949 Aaron, wow...you pastors sure do spend lots of time on the "evil" internet surfing around on atheist sites. ;) (I also responded to your other comment on another post.) <blockquote><em>I am very frustrated by those who, as you described, use Christianity to get political power and use their influence as a bully pulpit. It deeply saddens me that this has been most Americans’ exposure to what “Christianity” is.</em></blockquote> Aaron, I know you were addressing vastleft, but felt I wanted to jump in here. There is so much more evil to Christianity than you care to admit. If you just read your Bible for what it actually is, and really take notice of the evil and violent parts, and then you may not even be able to follow your religion any longer. Most atheists/agnostics at this site were once Christians and we finally "saw the light" and recognized religion and Christianity for what it really is. And we often have Christians come by and apologize for other Christians and making the claim that these people are not "true Christians" when in fact, according to your holy book, the more prejudice, the more homophobic, the more intolerant, the more violent, the more hateful people are against those who are different, the more "christian" they actually are. Aaron, wow…you pastors sure do spend lots of time on the “evil” internet surfing around on atheist sites. ;) (I also responded to your other comment on another post.)

I am very frustrated by those who, as you described, use Christianity to get political power and use their influence as a bully pulpit. It deeply saddens me that this has been most Americans’ exposure to what “Christianity” is.

Aaron, I know you were addressing vastleft, but felt I wanted to jump in here. There is so much more evil to Christianity than you care to admit. If you just read your Bible for what it actually is, and really take notice of the evil and violent parts, and then you may not even be able to follow your religion any longer. Most atheists/agnostics at this site were once Christians and we finally “saw the light” and recognized religion and Christianity for what it really is. And we often have Christians come by and apologize for other Christians and making the claim that these people are not “true Christians” when in fact, according to your holy book, the more prejudice, the more homophobic, the more intolerant, the more violent, the more hateful people are against those who are different, the more “christian” they actually are.

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By: Aaron Moore http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-273939 Aaron Moore Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:22:36 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-273939 Hi vastleft, read your article (obviously) and found it very interesting. I am a pastor of a church in PA, so I obviously call myslef a Christian, but I do have to agree with many points you made, particularly about certain fundamentalists and their big mouths. I am very frustrated by those who, as you described, use Christianity to get political power and use their influence as a bully pulpit. It deeply saddens me that this has been most Americans' exposure to what "Christianity" is. That is why I stand by the expectation Jesus himself placed on anyone who wanted to follow him - basically (and I'm paraphrasing) that our lives must be lived in obedience to his teaching, and that we ought to become more and more like him as time goes by. Sadly, this is the opposite of the lives that so many live that call themselves Christians, particularly those in the public eye. I want to apologize on behalf of all those who have gicen us such a bad name (i.e. being closed-minded, homophobic, labeling atheists as sex-crazed, homosexual pagans who are damned to hell). My hope is that we can indeed have an open, reasonable discussion about our beliefs, as I definitely don't believe that faith and reason are mutually exclusive. Anyway, that's enough rambling fir now. If you have any comments or would like to chat about these things, please feel free (as I am the guest here, lol, not you). Thanks Hi vastleft, read your article (obviously) and found it very interesting. I am a pastor of a church in PA, so I obviously call myslef a Christian, but I do have to agree with many points you made, particularly about certain fundamentalists and their big mouths. I am very frustrated by those who, as you described, use Christianity to get political power and use their influence as a bully pulpit. It deeply saddens me that this has been most Americans’ exposure to what “Christianity” is. That is why I stand by the expectation Jesus himself placed on anyone who wanted to follow him – basically (and I’m paraphrasing) that our lives must be lived in obedience to his teaching, and that we ought to become more and more like him as time goes by. Sadly, this is the opposite of the lives that so many live that call themselves Christians, particularly those in the public eye. I want to apologize on behalf of all those who have gicen us such a bad name (i.e. being closed-minded, homophobic, labeling atheists as sex-crazed, homosexual pagans who are damned to hell). My hope is that we can indeed have an open, reasonable discussion about our beliefs, as I definitely don’t believe that faith and reason are mutually exclusive. Anyway, that’s enough rambling fir now. If you have any comments or would like to chat about these things, please feel free (as I am the guest here, lol, not you). Thanks

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By: Jess Wundrun http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/comment-page-1/#comment-273874 Jess Wundrun Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:17:49 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/06/01/religious-leanings/#comment-273874 I would like to point out that Jim Wallis might be liberal, but he decries him the seculars just as bad as the hardcore fundies do. In his book he complains that democrats are too interested in courting the secular vote. One imagines that he holds his nose while typing the word 's e c u l a r'. I would like to point out that Jim Wallis might be liberal, but he decries him the seculars just as bad as the hardcore fundies do.

In his book he complains that democrats are too interested in courting the secular vote. One imagines that he holds his nose while typing the word ’s e c u l a r’.

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