Comments on: By the numbers: 93 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271225 Eve Fri, 18 May 2007 22:33:28 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271225 Bronze Dog, it doesn't surprise me one bit, and I wish more sheeple would wake up to the long-term cons that hag has been pulling and dump her ass! Can you tell I hate Sylvia Browne? Bronze Dog, it doesn’t surprise me one bit, and I wish more sheeple would wake up to the long-term cons that hag has been pulling and dump her ass!

Can you tell I hate Sylvia Browne?

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By: jimmy dean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271211 jimmy dean Fri, 18 May 2007 18:55:57 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271211 That money could build a lot of porn studios - porn studios that would pay their property taxes. Seriosly though, I could care less about porn studios - I'm more of a home video type. A local developer recently contributed a donation to a volunteer rain garden/ prairie restoration project which my mother and I are coordinating. Did he do this because he deeply cares about the environment? I guess he would like to see green spaces incorporated into our town so eyes are turned away from the massive sprawl which he profits from. I think he's primarily concerned with something people like falwell considered heavily - PR. The church is guilty of massive amounts of tax evasion. The church wastefully builds gawdy crosses and builings which destroy our natural landscape. The church is indierectly or directly responsible for many of the social problems which they pat themselves on the back for helping to overcome. That money could build a lot of porn studios – porn studios that would pay their property taxes. Seriosly though, I could care less about porn studios – I’m more of a home video type.

A local developer recently contributed a donation to a volunteer rain garden/ prairie restoration project which my mother and I are coordinating. Did he do this because he deeply cares about the environment? I guess he would like to see green spaces incorporated into our town so eyes are turned away from the massive sprawl which he profits from. I think he’s primarily concerned with something people like falwell considered heavily – PR.

The church is guilty of massive amounts of tax evasion. The church wastefully builds gawdy crosses and builings which destroy our natural landscape. The church is indierectly or directly responsible for many of the social problems which they pat themselves on the back for helping to overcome.

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By: Bronze Dog http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271169 Bronze Dog Fri, 18 May 2007 15:12:56 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271169 Not quite the same as above, but here's a quote from one person who broke away from Sylvia Browne's church: <blockquote> "For years, people have been financially supporting Novus because for years they have been telling us that there would be nursing homes, day cares or at least soup kitchens that would be funded by our donations and by buying the books and paying a monthly $20 Study group fee. NONE of that ever came to fruition that I know of and if it was, believe me it would have been in BIG BOLD PRINT on the newsletter!"</blockquote> <a href="http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/novusspiritus_canadabreaksaway.shtml" rel="nofollow">You can read more here</a>. I'm glad some church goers recognize the inaction. When I was a kid, I didn't think about it. In retrospect, the church I went to was one of those irrelevant social clubs Martin Luther King warned about. Not quite the same as above, but here’s a quote from one person who broke away from Sylvia Browne’s church:

“For years, people have been financially supporting Novus because for years they have been telling us that there would be nursing homes, day cares or at least soup kitchens that would be funded by our donations and by buying the books and paying a monthly $20 Study group fee.

NONE of that ever came to fruition that I know of and if it was, believe me it would have been in BIG BOLD PRINT on the newsletter!”

You can read more here. I’m glad some church goers recognize the inaction. When I was a kid, I didn’t think about it. In retrospect, the church I went to was one of those irrelevant social clubs Martin Luther King warned about.

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By: Old Viking http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271099 Old Viking Fri, 18 May 2007 02:25:04 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271099 Think of the good that money could do ... Think of the good that money could do …

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By: Naomi http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271088 Naomi Thu, 17 May 2007 23:52:09 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271088 I've been thinking of this "glowing picture" of xianity growing steadily for the next five years, based on the past five years and remembered that some of the growth is from that freaky nonsense of Y2K! And how society was going to devolve into chaos and anarchy! And it would be every man for himself! Booo! Plus, some of the growth came from people returning, reflexively, to their church after 9/11. So, is this report purposely "rosy" but based on false assumptions? I’ve been thinking of this “glowing picture” of xianity growing steadily for the next five years, based on the past five years and remembered that some of the growth is from that freaky nonsense of Y2K! And how society was going to devolve into chaos and anarchy! And it would be every man for himself! Booo!

Plus, some of the growth came from people returning, reflexively, to their church after 9/11.

So, is this report purposely “rosy” but based on false assumptions?

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By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271059 Eve Thu, 17 May 2007 18:13:06 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271059 ^ That's a smart teen... Good post, Naomi, although teeth-grindingly infuriating! Building eyesore-monstrosity-psyche-and-money-gobbling mega-churches is supposed to improve humanity and the world how? Solve global problems like, oh, I don't know, extreme <i>poverty</i> how? And of course, none of the cabals behind these mega-brainwashing centers are ever content with their mere building and regular full-capacity attendance; they're <i>always</i> asking for <i>more</i> money, most often to bloat their ranks and build more eyesores even more (Benny Hinn convincing his zombie followers that his ministry really, <i>really</i> needs that private jet comes to mind)! This makes me so angry--! ^ That’s a smart teen…

Good post, Naomi, although teeth-grindingly infuriating! Building eyesore-monstrosity-psyche-and-money-gobbling mega-churches is supposed to improve humanity and the world how? Solve global problems like, oh, I don’t know, extreme poverty how? And of course, none of the cabals behind these mega-brainwashing centers are ever content with their mere building and regular full-capacity attendance; they’re always asking for more money, most often to bloat their ranks and build more eyesores even more (Benny Hinn convincing his zombie followers that his ministry really, really needs that private jet comes to mind)!

This makes me so angry–!

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By: Naomi http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271050 Naomi Thu, 17 May 2007 16:54:56 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271050 Follow the link in comment #1 and you'll find a thoughtful post by a 16-year-old in the UK. His post ends with: <blockquote>I really doubt that anything this radical and good would ever happen but the next time someone talks about the amount of good Christianity has done I would challenge them to <b>think of the amount of good Christianity could do but doesn’t</b>.</blockquote> Sadly, our xian teens would fail to see his excellent point... Follow the link in comment #1 and you’ll find a thoughtful post by a 16-year-old in the UK. His post ends with:

I really doubt that anything this radical and good would ever happen but the next time someone talks about the amount of good Christianity has done I would challenge them to think of the amount of good Christianity could do but doesn’t.

Sadly, our xian teens would fail to see his excellent point…

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By: Berlzebub http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-271048 Berlzebub Thu, 17 May 2007 16:03:00 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/05/17/by-the-numbers-93/#comment-271048 According to one of my fundie relatives, "Giving anything less than 10% to the church is the same as stealing!" Of course, he wasn't happy when I started asking questions. He'd already made the mistake of telling me how much the church he attends costed to build (Over 1 million dollars), and that was supported by the preacher of the church. Of course, churches do not give back to the community nearly as much as they take in. They consider their <i>spiritual</i> support as worth more than money can buy. -Berlzebub According to one of my fundie relatives, “Giving anything less than 10% to the church is the same as stealing!” Of course, he wasn’t happy when I started asking questions. He’d already made the mistake of telling me how much the church he attends costed to build (Over 1 million dollars), and that was supported by the preacher of the church.

Of course, churches do not give back to the community nearly as much as they take in. They consider their spiritual support as worth more than money can buy.

-Berlzebub

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