Comments on: The Women and Men of Wisdom Speak http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-115047 Eve Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:14:14 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-115047 Arrgh, Bean! I wonder how much money that could have fed hungry mouths went into constructing that joke - and how much more will it rake in once it opens? I wouldn't care about fundies being ripped off by their own "leaders" if it weren't for the <em>actual, real</em> good their money could do if donated to a better cause! Arrgh, Bean! I wonder how much money that could have fed hungry mouths went into constructing that joke – and how much more will it rake in once it opens? I wouldn’t care about fundies being ripped off by their own “leaders” if it weren’t for the actual, real good their money could do if donated to a better cause!

]]> By: Bean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-113876 Bean Sun, 03 Dec 2006 01:07:03 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-113876 Errr....I mean <a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/" rel="nofollow">this</a> Errr….I mean this

]]> By: Bean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-113874 Bean Sun, 03 Dec 2006 01:02:13 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-113874 Hey you guys, this is kind of on topic. My friend told me about <a href="www.answersingenesis.org/museum/" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Feel free to guffaw, gasp, and go cross eyed. Hey you guys, this is kind of on topic. My friend told me about this. Feel free to guffaw, gasp, and go cross eyed.

]]> By: Hilary http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-113623 Hilary Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:15:23 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-113623 Unfortunately I missed this (I was on jury duty). This is great stuff to listen to. One little high point, a woman astrophysicist states that the Bertrand Russell’s orbiting teapot argument (If I have to prove there is not god then prove to me there isn’t a teapot orbiting the sun) is problematic. As she so elegantly states “there are millions of teapots orbiting the sun, they are all on earth”. I understand why the fundies never thought of this answer, but folks why didn’t anyone else (until now)? It’s a wonderful insight made by a wonderful woman, go listen (number three I think). Unfortunately I missed this (I was on jury duty). This is great stuff to listen to. One little high point, a woman astrophysicist states that the Bertrand Russell’s orbiting teapot argument (If I have to prove there is not god then prove to me there isn’t a teapot orbiting the sun) is problematic. As she so elegantly states “there are millions of teapots orbiting the sun, they are all on earth”. I understand why the fundies never thought of this answer, but folks why didn’t anyone else (until now)? It’s a wonderful insight made by a wonderful woman, go listen (number three I think).

]]> By: ChuckA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-113224 ChuckA Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:28:04 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-113224 Martian, I visited the discussion and read probably about half way down the page…Oy Vey…and decided to POSSIBLY continue later. However, even though I commend you on your bravery (?) I started thinking of how futile it is to engage in those endless arguments. Let me try to briefly explain my case in point. Statement: Earth is a ‘Predatory’ planet; I shouldn’t need to explain that. Question: Why would a supposed Infinitely [Say what?] Almighty Deity…all knowing, all lovey-dubbey, yada, yada…make ‘His, supposed, one creation in the whole fucking, humongous universe…a place of decay, disease, suffering, warring, child abusing…zama, zama…and, ultimately, DEATH? I would be saying to the Great Fuctard: “WTF, Almighty Asshole! THAT’S your best idea of creation??? Were you drunk, or totally stoned? OK… So what’s the ignorant ‘Bozo-Religio-Theologico’ answer? It’s OUR fault…”Of COURSE!…Silly Us!” But WAIT!…[Espresso?] WHY?…What’d WE do? “Ooooh…I see…it’s all because of two pig ignorant morons…huh?…Only 6000 years ago?…WTF!…who were, WHAT?…fooled by a talking snake, in some stupid animal filled garden?…Zama, zama! ROIT! OK, to cut to the chase…We’re dealing with the GREAT MYTHOLOGICAL ELEPHANT in the Cosmic Room:…unrecognized ‘KINDERGARTEN COSMOLOGY’ perpetrated by brainwashed, delusional idiots…on an outrageously, humongous, grand scale. “That did it…Aargh! “ Anyone who’s been around GifS for awhile; or has explored the archives, knows how FUTILE it is to go round in circles with Philosophically/Cosmologically ignorant Fundie Kindergarteners! The rational, objective portion of the brain was long ago shut off by childhood conditioning, programming, or brainwashing. Choose whatever term you like. It’s like pounding your head against the wall, dealing with them. I know… ”It feels so good when we stop!” To quote the non-existent mythical Jeebus on that little quote: “Thou hast said it!” One other point. With the upcoming holiday season rapidly cash registering in, I started to think of the old Santa Clause shtick that most of us were given as children. Wasn’t that, really, a practice exercise…or training run for…BELIEVING… in an unproven, even ridiculous notion. [Besides that, the commercialism of it all, even adds to my opposing its use.] Yeah!…We swallowed it for awhile…as well as the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy etc. At the same time, or shortly after, we were being introduced to that other invisible being, who’s always watching you…Gawd! Of course Santa etc. weren’t REALLY real…but…oh yeah!…you must believe in that really scary ‘gawd’ guy who dragged you into exitence and will never let you out! “They check in; but they don’t check out!” [Also like Sartre’s “No Exit!”] Otherwise, you’ll be punished for aaaaaaall eternity! BOOGA, BOOGA! Yes, dear child…Be afraid…be very afraid… [Do I now hear the ‘George Carlin Xmas Carolers’, conducted, perhaps, by Martian, lip-syncing?:] “But, He LOVES you!” Martian, I visited the discussion and read probably about half way down the page…Oy Vey…and decided to POSSIBLY continue later.
However, even though I commend you on your bravery (?) I started thinking of how futile it is to engage in those endless arguments.
Let me try to briefly explain my case in point.
Statement: Earth is a ‘Predatory’ planet; I shouldn’t need to explain that.
Question: Why would a supposed Infinitely [Say what?] Almighty Deity…all knowing, all lovey-dubbey, yada, yada…make ‘His, supposed, one creation in the whole fucking, humongous universe…a place of decay, disease, suffering, warring, child abusing…zama, zama…and, ultimately, DEATH?
I would be saying to the Great Fuctard: “WTF, Almighty Asshole! THAT’S your best idea of creation??? Were you drunk, or totally stoned?
OK…
So what’s the ignorant ‘Bozo-Religio-Theologico’ answer?
It’s OUR fault…”Of COURSE!…Silly Us!”
But WAIT!…[Espresso?] WHY?…What’d WE do?
“Ooooh…I see…it’s all because of two pig ignorant morons…huh?…Only 6000 years ago?…WTF!…who were, WHAT?…fooled by a talking snake, in some stupid animal filled garden?…Zama, zama!
ROIT!
OK, to cut to the chase…We’re dealing with the GREAT MYTHOLOGICAL ELEPHANT in the Cosmic Room:…unrecognized ‘KINDERGARTEN COSMOLOGY’ perpetrated by brainwashed, delusional idiots…on an outrageously, humongous, grand scale.
“That did it…Aargh! “
Anyone who’s been around GifS for awhile; or has explored the archives, knows how FUTILE it is to go round in circles with Philosophically/Cosmologically ignorant Fundie Kindergarteners! The rational, objective portion of the brain was long ago shut off by childhood conditioning, programming, or brainwashing. Choose whatever term you like.
It’s like pounding your head against the wall, dealing with them. I know…
”It feels so good when we stop!”
To quote the non-existent mythical Jeebus on that little quote: “Thou hast said it!”

One other point. With the upcoming holiday season rapidly cash registering in, I started to think of the old Santa Clause shtick that most of us were given as children.
Wasn’t that, really, a practice exercise…or training run for…BELIEVING… in an unproven, even ridiculous notion.
[Besides that, the commercialism of it all, even adds to my opposing its use.]
Yeah!…We swallowed it for awhile…as well as the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy etc. At the same time, or shortly after, we were being introduced to that other invisible being, who’s always watching you…Gawd!
Of course Santa etc. weren’t REALLY real…but…oh yeah!…you must believe in that really scary ‘gawd’ guy who dragged you into exitence and will never let you out! “They check in; but they don’t check out!” [Also like Sartre’s “No Exit!”] Otherwise, you’ll be punished for aaaaaaall eternity! BOOGA, BOOGA!
Yes, dear child…Be afraid…be very afraid…
[Do I now hear the ‘George Carlin Xmas Carolers’, conducted, perhaps, by Martian, lip-syncing?:]
“But, He LOVES you!”

]]> By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-112969 Eve Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:59:58 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-112969 Wow, what a lively conversation to say the least, Martian! You've got some great debaters on that thread. Wow, what a lively conversation to say the least, Martian! You’ve got some great debaters on that thread.

]]> By: Martian http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-112709 Martian Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:57:18 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-112709 Sorry, here is the link: http://townofautumn.com/blog/2006/11/28/the-burden-of-proof-is-on-you/ Sorry, here is the link:
http://townofautumn.com/blog/2006/11/28/the-burden-of-proof-is-on-you/

]]> By: Martian http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/comment-page-1/#comment-112707 Martian Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:56:47 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/11/30/the-women-and-men-of-wisdom-speak/#comment-112707 OT, guys: I've got quite the debate started at the ol' Martian blog: <a>. Jump in. Had a couple of creationists with the old standby arguments, and one just left mad, because he keeps getting shot down...</a> OT, guys: I’ve got quite the debate started at the ol’ Martian blog: . Jump in. Had a couple of creationists with the old standby arguments, and one just left mad, because he keeps getting shot down…

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