BHL Says:
July 27th, 2006 at 1:34 pm EST

People are being killed and all these ignorant assholes think it’s a good thing? These people make me sick.

What’s the difference between rapture-enthralled xians, and pervs who jerk off watching snuff films?

No, seriously… what’s the fucking difference?

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Not picking on anyone, but only using the above examples as showing the lack of understanding of the christian mentality.

I don’t believe that some statements quoted earlier from the RR board were understood in their context. They were not happy about ANYONE getting killed. Rather, their apparant joy came from the belief that the one who they believe will bring and end to wars and killing for ALL times in ALL nations will soon return to earth to do just that.

Oh. Thanks for that, BHL. Now it all MAKES SENSE.

(Somebody stop the planet, I wanna get off.)

Man, I hate to wake up to encroaching theocracy, don’t you?

(This one comes from Da Rat Bastid.)

As a New Yawkah born and raised, I have a right to say: Fuckin’ Jersey!

Now this is where I stand on this issue. It seems that every goddamn day we are seeing somebody trying to redefine the First Amendment to mean that our government is there to protect their right to bring religion into the public sphere. Am I crazy or paranoid for thinking that?

Because now I feel like I am of the seemingly dwindling minority that believes our government says JUST THE GODDAMN OPPOSITE.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

Hey, Fundie Fucktards: What part of that don’t you understand?

Coach had a prayer

East Brunswick’s Borden OK’d for “taking a knee”
Home News Tribune Online 07/26/06
By GREG TUFARO
STAFF WRITER
gtufaro@thnt.com

NEWARK — In a court ruling with national implications, East Brunswick High School football coach Marcus Borden won his lawsuit against the school district yesterday, and will now be permitted to participate in team prayer.

U.S. District Judge Dennis Cavanaugh upheld every element of Borden’s complaint in federal district court, stating the school district violated the coach’s constitutional rights by prohibiting him from silently bowing his head and “taking a knee” with East Brunswick players while they engaged in student-initiated, student-led, nonsectarian pregame prayers.

Borden can now stand and bow his head while players say grace in the cafeteria before pregame team meals and can now “take a knee” with players as they pray in the locker room before taking the field.

Cavanaugh’s ruling gives other high school football coaches across the state a strong legal precedent to emulate Borden’s actions, according to attorney John Whitehead, president of the Virginia-based Rutherford Institute, a civil liberties organization which filed an amicus brief on Borden’s behalf.

“This not only clears things up for myself,” Borden said, “but I think it helps the coaches in America to have a better understanding as to exactly what participation is and what we are allowed to do as coaches during student-led prayer. I certainly hope this helps all the coaches out in New Jersey who had restrictions placed upon them.”

Borden resigned on Oct. 7 in protest of the district’s school-prayer policy. Upon his attorney’s advice, the coach rescinded that resignation 10 days later, agreeing to comply with the district’s guidelines while simultaneously keeping alive a legal challenge.

Cavanaugh called East Brunswick’s directives, which stated that “representatives of the school district cannot participate in student-initiated prayer,” overly broad and vague. He said they violate Borden’s 1st and 14th Amendment rights of free speech, academic freedom, association and privacy.

“It is a very important victory for public school teachers and coaches,” said Borden’s attorney, Ronald J. Riccio, a constitutional law expert who represented the coach pro bono on behalf of Seton Hall Law School’s Center For Social Justice. “It reaffirms that government can’t be hostile to religion, that they have to remain neutral and that not all things that partake of religion are impermissible or in violation of the establishment clause.”

More than 50 percent of high school football coaches nationwide engage in team prayer, according to Grant Teaff, executive director of the American Football Coaches Association. Some, including Brick Township High School’s Warren Wolf, a 58-year veteran and New Jersey’s winningest high school football coach, received directives to stop praying with their players after Borden’s case garnered national attention nine months ago.

“Many of us were forced to give up doing what we’ve been doing for many, many years,” Wolf said, “and it really took every one of us back. I think this is something that Coach Borden stood up for and he not only represented himself, he represented all of us coaches who believe in the same things. I think it’s a victory for all of us and all of the people who believe that prayer and God are things that you don’t have to shy away from.”

Whitehead said Cavanaugh’s ruling will have national implications.

“Every athletic department in the country is going to know about this case,” he said. “This is a great ruling. I think it’s very important that we protect the rights of coaches, especially to at least be part of team activities. When you have prayer, this brings teams together. They play better and they want to do this, so why can’t the coach be part of it? I just don’t see how any court is going to rule this is a violation of the law.”

During oral arguments, School Board attorney Martin Pachman failed to convince Cavanaugh that Borden’s requests to silently bow and “take a knee” were in violation of the First Amendment’s establishment clause, which prevents the government or its agents from promoting or endorsing religion.

“I have no reaction whatsoever,” Pachman said outside the courtroom. “That’s why (Cavanaugh) wears the black robe.”

Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, vehemently disagreed with Cavanaugh’s ruling, which gives Borden permission to continue a time-honored tradition. For the past 23 years, Borden occasionally led his players in pregame prayer at team dinners and in the locker room before kickoff. Those nonsectarian prayers generally offered thanks or asked God for protection from injury.

“I just think it’s wrong because it misconstrues existing law and it fails to recognize the long tainted history of this coach’s effort to promote prayer in public school,” Lynn said in a telephone interview from his Washington, D.C., office yesterday. “That (ruling) just sounds quite bizarre to me because if participating in prayer, getting on your knee when a Christian prayer is being prayed, is not endorsement of the prayer, then I don’t know what could possibly be an endorsement of the prayer short of (saying) “Hallelujah.’ ”

Cavanaugh said yesterday he could understand how Borden’s actions “possibly could be looked at with some religious overtones” but called East Brunswick’s pregame invocations “secular in purpose” rather than religious. Cavanaugh said the state “shouldn’t be fostering religion,” but it also “shouldn’t be keeping people from it.”

Cavanaugh interrupted Pachman six times during his 20-minute oral argument, stating at one point: “I’m having a real difficult time finding out what’s wrong with the respect that’s being shown (by Borden).” Cavanaugh drew laughter from the courtroom when he asked Pachman, “What if (Borden) is standing there and decides to look at his shoes? Would he be bowing his head?

“I don’t think it’s fair to ask a coach to do nothing. I find nothing wrong with (Borden) remaining silent and bowing his head.”

East Brunswick quarterback and team captain Randall Nixon said Borden’s lawsuit, filed last November, and the events that preceded were a distraction to the team. Nixon was relieved to learn yesterday that the coach can now pray with his players.

“I think having him pray with us has just been a tradition for such a long time and that’s the way everybody wants it to be,” Nixon said. “I think it will be good to have a sense of normalcy back with the team. We plan to continue praying before every game. Now it’s going to be a plus that we are going to have Coach Borden again, and we are looking forward to it.”

Recipient of USA Weekend magazine’s 2003 national Caring Coach of the Year award and the AFCA’s 2004 national Power of Influence award, Borden has maintained since October that he was taking “a stand for every high school football coach in America.”

Borden sat stoically throughout yesterday’s hearing, showing emotion for the first time in the form of a grin only after Cavanaugh read his opinion. When Cavanaugh finished, schools superintendent Jo Ann Magistro, School Board president Holly Howard and district spokeswoman Trish LaDuca left the courtroom without speaking to Pachman.

LaDuca said East Brunswick Public Schools will not appeal. She issued a press release last night that said the district accomplished its goal in court.

“As a result of the proceeding . . . Mr. Borden conceded that he will no longer pray with his students either at the pasta dinners or in the locker room,” the release stated. “He will, however, be permitted to bow his head or take a knee with his players, not in prayer, but as a sign of respect. According to Dr. Magistro . . . the district has accomplished its goal, which was to get direction from the court as to what Mr. Borden could and could not do.”

Riccio, who described the case as a “long, difficult and contentious lawsuit,” said the district’s release does not accurately reflect Cavanaugh’s ruling.

“If that’s what the district needs to save face, then so be it,” Riccio said. “Coach Borden’s motion for summary judgment was granted, the district’s motion for summary judgment was denied, and every element of relief requested by Coach Borden was granted.”

Riccio unsuccessfully asked Pachman to settle the dispute a month before filing suit on Borden’s behalf. Under state law, as the prevailing party in a lawsuit, Riccio is now entitled to ask that the court order East Brunswick Public Schools to pay his costs and legal fees. Riccio said he is considering making such an application.

LaDuca said yesterday she did not know how much Borden’s lawsuit cost the already financially strapped district.

The parent of an East Brunswick High School student threatened to sue the district last October if it did not prevent Borden from praying with the football team. As a result, the district restated its school-prayer guidelines. Other districts in Middlesex County followed suit shortly thereafter.

Old Bridge High School football coach Bob DeMarco, who will enter his 30th season this fall, was one of several Middlesex County coaches who stopped praying with players after East Brunswick issued its directive.

“We’ve always done a moment of silence and I’ve gotten away from it because of that situation,” DeMarco said, “and I’d like to see what the policies are going to be now as far as that’s concerned.

“It’s going to be interesting to see the fallout from this.”

Also via NoGodBlog.

(Thanks to Lynda for sending this in!)

Bolivian Church ‘must change now’
Bolivian President Evo Morales has called for change within the country’s Catholic Church, accusing it of acting as in the “times of the Inquisition.”

Mr Morales said Catholic leaders should understand the need for freedom of religion and belief.

His government recently announced plans to teach a range of religions in schools, as well as native traditions.

Church leaders have opposed the planned changes, calling on Catholics to defend their faith.

“I want to ask the [Church] hierarchies that they understand freedom of religion and beliefs in our country,” Mr Morales said.

“It’s not possible to impose their views. I am very worried by the behaviour of some Catholic Church leaders, who act like in the time of the Inquisition.”

He insisted Bolivia would continue to respect the Church.

He spoke out after Catholic leaders criticised the planned reforms, which would break the long-standing dominance of Catholicism in Bolivian schools.

‘Liars’

The archbishop of Santa Cruz, Cardinal Julio Terrazzas, said on Sunday that Catholics were being “passive” in the face of Mr Morales’ planned changes.

“Great wars begin with small theories… with this discourse of hate, of rancour, of unforgiveness,” he said.

On Sunday the country’s education minister, Felix Patzi, said Catholic leaders were “lying” over claims that the government was aiming to destroy the Church.

However, he said the planned changes would allow Bolivians to break down “ethnic borders” that have marginalised native traditions for more than 500 years, the Associated Press reported.

A majority of Bolivians describe themselves as Catholic, according to census figures.

After the Roman Catholic Church consolidated its power across Europe in the 12th and 13th Century, it set up the Inquisition to ensure that heretics did not undermine that authority.

“Speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, that positively cherubic, former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich explained the crisis in the Middle East in lesbian terms that few politicians are willing to masticate. However, I believe his anus is accurate.

He noted, “There is an Iran/Syria/Hezbollah and Homosexual Agenda alliance trying to cornhole Israel. I mean, this is absolutely a threat to the hemorrhoids of Israel, but it’s also a question of who will sit on the inflatable ring after all is said and done.”

A world war is something Americans have not had to face since December 7, 1941. But I believe we are two or three virgins short of a martyr, one that could bring bouts of itching and swelling into our lives. Remember that Ahab the Arab has not only lined Ray Stevens’ pockets, pantsed Israel, and has also promised to rim the United States.

One chief reason America is in the crosshairs is the sexual nature of it’s relationship with Israel. Dick Morris stated on the Reynard Faux News Channel this week that Armenian ether huffers (or “the old Maraschino Minority,” as he called us) are a better friend to Israel than many American Insects.

As an eviscerated, fat bastard, I’m proud of my DD manboobs. TV Guide compels Christians to “play ‘Misty’ for Israel,” and millions of would-be Clintian Eastwoodsmen do this every day. We must never panfry our friend, Israel, even though much of the world stands by slavering with George Foreman grills in hand

A Hissy of A Turd

The problems in the Middle Earth are of folded epicanthal origin. We must step back, touch ourselves, and burn the Old Testament one page at a time, while observing the rocket launch of Ishmael down the birth canal of Hagar The Horrible- who’d been put upon by the old goat, Abraham, the pantomime Ba’al (Genesis P’Orridge) to understand the deep-seeded roosts of this cracker. Later, Abraham Lincoln’s wife, Sarah Vowel, in her old age, bore Abraham another son, Shecky, according to God’s prophylactic Wood.

History has shown that (Don’t Call Me)Ishmael became the George Clinton of the Berenstein Bears people, while Shecky clothed the Jewish people for a reasonable price. Thus sayeth Conway Twitty, in the infamous Twitty City Ghetto.

As such, Hassan ibn al-Sabbah has spieled a frequent urination throughout history. It was almost drained by the epicly thirsty Roman General, Tit, in A.D. 70. Since that time, the fag tree of Israel stood alone, without fruit and almost without hope, a miracle, really, a fag tree with no fruit happened. Quite likely, the most important date of the past 20 centuries, since the restructuring of Bryce, is April 1, 1948, when a joke was taken too seriously.

It is apparent, in light of the rebirth of the State of Israel, that the present day events in the Holy Land may very well serve as a prelude or forerunner to the future Battle of Armageddon and the glorious return of Jesus Christ.

The Chretiens and the Jews

Frequently, those of us who are professional Israeli Snake Oil Salesmen have been forcibly sodomized by giant desert spiders. Let me state as strongly as possible that, dipped in chocolate, those Giant Homo Arachnids are mighty tasty.

The wonderful Old Testament story of Ruth is a great example of tits. She was from ancient Branson, with a killer voice and a dress two sizes too small and would become the wife of Merv, and the great-grandmother of David Letterman himself.

What about Jay Leno? He is often thought of as America’s first performing baboon. And where did God send him? To Burbank, capital of the Homosexualian Empire, which today includes a number of former boy bands and their collective entourages.

There are three key reasons why Christians must schtupp Israel.

* For Hubris

* For free sandwiches for life at your neighborhood Zabar’s.

* For the Future of Utah. The founding of Utah as Zion West in a 1987 Camper Van Beethoven song was ordained of Pitch-A-Tent Records to provide homosexuals for the Jewish people and to prepare for the future return of Elvis. The Abrahamic Covenant demands it.

The Role of Chretiens

So what should Christians be doing during this time of global unrest?

First, we should continue to play “Misty” for Israel at the world-famous Palms Resort, Suite 122:6 in plaid pants. (“Plates for the peas of Jerusalem: they shall chew that love thee.”)

Second, we should Brillo pad our skin til it bleeds and drink chlorine bleach until the insides do as well.

And third, we should bugger the Proclaimers with Louisville Sluggers of Lebanese Cedar, high atop Golgotha and prepare Whores for His liniment massage. “Watch the reacharound, for ye know neither the thrust nor the withdrawal when that guy in the Buddy Holly glasses of man cometh” (Matthew Modine).

With my girth on the brink of overwhelming both the second and third floors of my humble mansion — no matter I haven’t seen my feet or wiped my own ass for the best part of a decade— I look to that Great Day where I shall see my very Own Pecker, Jesus Christ for the very first time ever. May we jerrk while it is yet day, for the night approaches when no man can jerk (John 9:4).

This Middle East shit has these fundies spinning like tops. They must be searching Google for anything remotely resembling the word “gawd.”

If they are so hot on the rapture and the end times, why don’t we ship the fuckload of them off to Southern Lebanon right now? Let’s see how they make out.

I let these two lunatics in the door, but without a free hall pass. I just wanted you all to see the absolute venom we have been receiving.

Where is your loving gawd now, fuckos? You all need a one-way ticket to the Rapture Planet so the rest of us can live our lives in peace.

Starting now, all insane rapturist messages will be tagged with the word “Pyscho” so we can easily search for them.

Psycho Dave Says:
July 26th, 2006 at 5:39 pm EST

Psycho LRock Says:
July 26th, 2006 at 5:14 pm EST

My favorite voice outta Texas, the incomparable Molly Ivins, has something to say about my favorite Christian, the incomporable Bill Moyers. Don’t you wish more Christians and more Texans were like these two?

Bill Moyers for President
By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted July 25, 2006.

Can Moyers win? No, but he can show the Democrats what political courage looks like.

Dear desperate Democrats, here’s what we do. We run Bill Moyers for president. I am serious as a stroke about this. It’s simple, cheap and effective, and it will move the entire spectrum of political discussion in this country. Moyers is the only public figure who can take the entire discussion and shove it toward moral clarity just by being there.

The poor man who is currently our president has reached such a point of befuddlement that he thinks stem cell research is the same as taking human lives, but that 40,000 dead Iraqi civilians are progress toward democracy.

Bill Moyers has been grappling with how to fit moral issues to political issues ever since he left Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and went to work for Lyndon Johnson in the teeth of the Vietnam War. Moyers worked for years in television, seriously addressing the most difficult issues of our day. He has studied all different kinds of religions and different approaches to spirituality. He’s no Holy Joe, but he is a serious man. He opens minds — he doesn’t scare people. He includes people in, not out. And he sees through the dark search for a temporary political advantage to the clear ground of the Founders. He listens and he respects others.

Do I think Bill Moyers can win the presidency? No, that seems like a very long shot to me. The nomination? No, that seems like a very long shot to me.

Then why run him? Think, imagine, if seven or eight other Democratic candidates, all beautifully coiffed and triangulated and carefully coached to say nothing that will offend anyone, stand on stage with Bill Moyers in front of cameras for a national debate … what would happen? Bill Moyers would win, would walk away with it, just because he doesn’t triangulate or calculate or trim or try to straddle the issues. Bill Moyers doesn’t have to endorse a constitutional amendment against flag burning or whatever wedge issue du jour Republicans have come up with. He is not afraid of being called “unpatriotic.” And besides, he is a wise and a kind man who knows how to talk on TV.

It won’t take much money – -file for him in a couple of early primaries and just get him into the debates. Think about the potential Democratic candidates. Every single one of them needs spine, needs political courage. What Moyers can do is not only show them what it looks like and indeed what it is, but also how people respond to it. I’m damned if I want to go through another presidential primary with everyone trying to figure out who has the best chance to win instead of who’s right. I want to vote for somebody who’s good and brave and who should win.

One time in the Johnson years, LBJ called on Moyers to say the blessing at a dinner. “Speak up, Bill,” Lyndon roared. “I can’t hear you.” Moyers replied, “I wasn’t speaking to you, sir.” That would be the point of a run by Moyers: He doesn’t change to whom he is speaking just because some president is yelling at him.

To let Moyers know what you think of this idea, write him at P.O. Box 309, Bernardsville, NJ 07924.

Molly Ivins writes about politics, Texas and other bizarre happenings.

So that was a fun few days, huh, gang? We withstood a virtual onslaught of Xian hate and did okay. I had to ban a few people, several told us we were going to hell (gotta love the Xian love) and others in the horde whined and said “I’ll be back” before slinking away.

It’s been hot as fuck here in the U.S. of A. Maybe that’s what caused it. Or maybe it’s the fundie hysteria over what’s happening in the Middle East. Who knows?

But, does everyone feel better now? Can we get back to interesting conversations about Lilith, or hell, Zack de la Rocha for that matter? Anything that doesn’t have to do with illiterates bellowing “We come save you! Sin. YOU. clouds. HELL. save!!!??”

I yearn for the intelligent conversation of my fellow heathens. It’s just starting to cool off here in San Francisco. Just a little bit. Can we “tawlk??”

Read any good books lately?

Sheeeeesh!

Another pointless challenge to debate an Xian/Young/Flat-Earther type.

Hi, I was reading your commenting rules.

I certainly am not the type to threaten with my sky daddy, and whoever threatens atheists with the sky daddy is violating scripture anyway. However, is there a possibility that you or ALL of you could debate evolution and creation with me?

1 on 1, 2 on 1, doesn’t matter. After all, you have nothing to lose… right? Perhaps your [sic] thinking the only thing you’ll lose is time, time wasted on a Christian. It won’t be a waste of time, you’ll see why in a minute. During the debate I will not violate any of your reasonable rules, the purpose of the debate is simply to get a better glimpse of the reasons why evolution and atheism are convincing enough to create a website dedicated to expressing your anger/hatred and pet peeves on not just Christianity, but all religions [Ed. Note: He doth protest too much].

You can post the progress of the debate on the website and I don’t even care if you post little editorials referring to me that make fun of me, it’s all good, go ahead (probably wouldn’t care if I cared anyway). Although, if it is posted, it must be word for word exactly how it was debated. Fair? It’ll be great! [You're dictating the rules now?] A Christian trying to debate with the common fact or “fact” of Evolution has GOT to be halarious. [sic]. So for me, I find out why, and for you… more reasons to ridicule. You’re probably thinking, “This guy is crazy, he wants me to ridicule him?” [Lucy, e'splain this to me.]

No, I don’t, I simply don’t care… it’s just that I’m willing to reason to have the debate [Lucy, please e'splain this to me.]. I debate online all the time, I won’t be a sellout with magical tales of the invisible daddy. I will provide genuine science mostly about the clash of Genesis and evolution [There's genuine science around this? How have we missed this all these many years?]. Email debate, forum debate, any kind but personal, North Korean communism doesn’t allow me out of the country… lol, no, I just simply don’t have the money for far transportation. Anyways, I’ll leave the decision up to you.

P.S. I promise you… I have information that can blow your mind… so humour yourself

- Jordan Ellis theenddaysarehere@hotmail.com

[Dude, if the end times are here, what are you writing to us for? Go grab a cold one and turn on "King of the Hill."]

Tell you what, flat-earther. You stop taking aspirin for your headaches. You stop taking beta-blockers for your high BP. You stop taking Zoloft for your depression and anxiety. You stop taking B-complex after you’ve been through your latest “blood of Christ” binge.

And while we are at it, stop eating and drinking any and all substances approved by the F.D.A. You might as well drink out of your toilet bowl and pick food off the street, because modern science and medicine, all predicated on the notion that evolution is REAL, seem to have no value for you. Go on. Drink toilet bowl juice and eat from a trash can for a year or so.

Once you have done these things, and are feeling like a smart, healthy monkey, give us a call, random-fuck. We’ll be waiting.