Fables of the Reconstruction(ists).
31 July 2006 by Raindogzilla
Warped Worldview
“Two really devilish guys materialized in Toccoa, Ga., last month to harangue 600 true believers on the gospel of a thoroughly theocratic America. Along with lesser lights of the religious far right who spoke at American Vision’s “Worldview Super Conference 2006,” Herb Titus and Gary North called for nothing short of the overthrow of the United States of America.
Titus and North aren’t household names. But Titus, former dean of TV preacher Pat Robertson’s Regent University law school, has led the legal battle to plant the Ten Commandants in county courthouses across the nation. North, an apostle of the creed called Christian Reconstructionism, is one of the most influential elders of American fundamentalism.
“I don’t want to capture their (mainstream Americans’) system. I want to replace it,” fumed North to a cheering audience. North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers (rocks are cheap and plentiful, he has observed). Both friends and foes label him “Scary Gary.”
Are we in danger of an American Taliban? Probably not today. But Alabama’s “Ten Commandments Judge” Roy Moore is aligned with this congregation, and one-third of Alabama Republicans who voted in the June primary supported him. When you see the South Dakota legislature outlaw abortions, the Reconstructionist agenda is at work. The movement’s greatest success is in Christian home schooling, where many, if not most, of the textbooks are Reconstructionist-authored tomes.
Moreover, the Reconstructionists are the folks behind attacks on science and public education. They’re allied with proselytizers who have tried to convert Air Force cadets – future pilots with fingers on nuclear triggers – into religious zealots. Like the communists of the 1930s, they exert tremendous stealth political gravity, drawing many sympathizers in their wake, and their friends now dominate the Republican Party in many states.”
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“A Harvard-bred lawyer whose most famous client is Alabama’s Judge Moore, Titus told the Toccoa gathering that the Second Amendment envisions the assassination of “tyrants;” that’s why we have guns. Tyranny, of course, is subjective to these folks. Their imposition of a theocratic state would not, by their standards, be tyranny. Public schools, on the other hand, to them are tyrannical.”
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“Hosting the “Creation to Revelation…Connecting the Dots” event was a Powder Springs, Ga., publishing house, American Vision, whose pontiff is Gary DeMar. The outfit touts the antebellum South as a righteous society and favors the reintroduction of some forms of slavery (it’s sanctioned in the Bible, Reconstructionists say) – which may explain the blindingly monochrome audience at the gathering.”
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‘“Evolution is as religious as Christianity,” (DeMar) said, a claim that certainly must amaze 99.99 percent of the scientific community. Science is irrelevant to these folks. Everything they need to know about the universe and the origin of man is in the first two chapters of Genesis. They know the answer before any question is asked.”
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“Titus told of Jesus making a personal appearance in the rafters of his Oregon home.”
At the heart of what was taught by a succession of speakers:
• Six-day, “young earth” creationism is the only acceptable doctrine for Christians. Even “intelligent design” or “old earth” creationism are compromises with evil secularism.
• Public education is satanic and must be destroyed.
• The First Amendment was intended to keep the federal government from imposing a national religion, but states should be free to foster a religious creed. (Several states did that during the colonial period and the nation’s early days, a model the Reconstructionists want to emulate.)
• The Founding Fathers intended to protect only the liberties of the established ultra-conservative denominations of that time. Expanding the list to include “liberal” Protestant denominations, much less Catholics, Jews and (gasp!) atheists, is a corruption of the Founders’ intent.
Education earned the most vitriol at the conference. Effusing that the Religious Right has captured politics and much of the media, North proclaimed: “The only thing they (secularists) have still got a grip on is the university system.” Academic doctorates, he contended, are a conspiracy fomented by the Rockefeller family. All academic programs (except, he said, engineering) are now dominated by secularists and Darwinists.
“Marxists in the English departments!” he ranted. “Close every public school in America!”
Among North’s most quoted writings was this ditty from 1982: “[W]e must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation…which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God.”
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“And what should the church be doing? According to these self-appointed arbiters of God’s will, running our lives. And stoning those who disagree.”
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“It would be easy to dismiss the Reconstructionists as the lunatic fringe, no more worrisome than the remnants of the Prohibition Party. But, in fact, they have rather extraordinary entrée and influence with top-tier Religious Right leaders and institutions.
James Dobson’s Focus on the Family is now selling DeMar’s book, America’s Christian Heritage. Dobson himself has a warm relationship with many in the movement, and he has admitted voting for Reconstructionist presidential candidate Howard Phillips in 1996.
TV preacher Robertson has mentioned reading North’s writings, and he has hired Reconstructionists as professors at Regent University. Jerry Falwell employs Reconstructionists to teach at Liberty University. Roger Schultz, the chair of Liberty’s History Department, writes regularly for Faith for all of Life, the leading Reconstructionist journal.
Southern Baptist Bruce N. Shortt is aggressively pushing his denomination to officially repudiate public education and call on Southern Baptists to withdraw their children from public schools. Shortt’s vicious book, The Harsh Truth about Public Schools, was published by the Reconstructionist Chalcedon Foundation.
There are big theological differences between the Religious Right’s generals and the Reconstructionists. Traditional Christian theology teaches that history will muddle along until Jesus’ Second Coming. That teaching is tough to turn into a political movement. Reconstructionists preach that the nation and the world must come under Christian “dominion” (as they define it) before Christ’s return – a wonderful theology to promote global conquest.”
In short, Dobson, Robertson, Falwell and the Southern Baptist Convention (the nation’s largest Protestant denomination) may not agree with everything the Reconstructionists advocate, but they sure don’t seem to mind hanging out with this openly theocratic, anti-democratic crowd.
It’s enough for Americans who believe in personal freedom and religious liberty to get worried about – before the first stones start flying.“
John Sugg is senior editor of CL Newspapers, which owns alternative newsweeklies in Atlanta, Charlotte, Tampa and Sarasota. He was the recipient of the 2005 Society of Professional Journalists “Green Eyeshade” award for serious commentary, and he has won more than 30 other significant awards.
Crikey! I don’t know about you but I’m gonna go put REM’s “Fables of the Reconstruction in the disc player, spark one up, and contemplate the 30.06 in the hall closet- the one with the scope.
31 July 2006, on 5:47 pm
Sean, WordPress ate my emphasis and gave me giant grey letters for some reason- it wasn’t like that at the au.org site. Please, help me Jeebus!
31 July 2006, on 6:02 pm
This is exactly why I support the right to bear arms. These are some busy little megalomaniacs, ain’t they?
31 July 2006, on 6:28 pm
Rat, as they seem so keen on it, perhaps a good stoning is in order? In high school, my fast ball flirted with 90mph- unfortunately i had Dick Cheney’s aim. Seriously, these folks need to be locked up before they do damage to themselves or us. In the Asylum, they could form their own little theocracies with the docs- the keepers of the meds, as gawd, to their hearts’ content. They could even buy and sell the weaker among them as “slaves”, just like in the antebellum south and spend their days free from the temptations of the flesh that interacting with women might bring. Oh, dear, I hope they don’t turn to homosexuality to get their yayas. They’d have to stone themselves. Mmmm, Juicy Fruit!
31 July 2006, on 6:30 pm
RDZ: There was all sorts of bad craziness in there. H1 and H2 tags and the like. The only logical thing to do was to take out all the style tags. Feel free to go back and re-insert the ones you deem necessary using WordPress’ interface.
Cheers.
31 July 2006, on 6:33 pm
I knew those robots that that evil genius gave me would come in handy someday. It’d be like, the terminator vs. the fundies. There’s a movie I’d love to see.
You know if these guys come to power, we’re the first ones in the stonin’ camps.
31 July 2006, on 6:41 pm
Huh huh, someone messed up their italics.
31 July 2006, on 6:42 pm
Ford, I’ve got piles of stones around my crib and a creekbed full of them out back. I’m Roger motherfucking Clemens in a rock fight. Maybe I’ll go practice on those goddamned feral cats that keep me awake at night. They must have committed some sin or another. Just kiddin’.
Thanks, Sean. All that code or whatever came right along when I copied it from the source and pasted in my post. Is it supposed to do that?
31 July 2006, on 6:44 pm
Wow, the whole world is italicized now. Trippy.
31 July 2006, on 6:57 pm
Fixed. But I had to take all your itals back out.
Balance your tags, balance your tags.
If you have an open <em>, you must’a gotta have’a closin’ one: </em>
Let WordPress do the work. Just select and hit that i button for itals.
As for copying all of the gobbledygook from other sites, some browsers will do exactly that. Possible solutions: go to the print version and copy that, or get a free HTML editor that strips all that hidden crap out and copy into that first, then back out.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/36708
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/15720
31 July 2006, on 6:58 pm
RainDog sez:
Seriously, these folks need to be locked up before they do damage to themselves or us. In the Asylum, they could form their own little theocracies with the docs- the keepers of the meds, as gawd, to their hearts’ content.
Ramen noodles to that, RainDog! They got some really stylish white jackets for them, too!
Ford sez:
You know if these guys come to power, we’re the first ones in the stonin’ camps.
Because you know, everybody must get stoned!
In a semi related topic, the New Yawk Times published this article on the conservative movement:
Passing Down the Legacy of Conservatism
SANTA BARBARA, Calif. — Headed for what she called “conservative boot camp,” Christina Pajak grabbed the essentials: dress sandals, her Bible and “The Politics of Prudence” by Russell Kirk, the celebrated writer who a half-century ago gave the conservative movement its name.
I’ll let you read the rest on your own…
31 July 2006, on 7:01 pm
That’s funny. And what’s even funnier is that they’re no different from the Taliban or fundie Muslims.
Yet say it and get the hellfire and brimstone talk.
31 July 2006, on 7:02 pm
Okay. I just read the piece.
I am gonna buy a gun.
31 July 2006, on 7:04 pm
Wait, I have a better idea! If they’re all gung ho on fighting holy wars, why don’t we just drop them into Haida, Israel or Beruit! We’ll see how tough these fucktards are when Hizbollah gets a hold of ‘em!!!
31 July 2006, on 7:06 pm
I can just see this next Civil War going down. Hick loonies descend on places like New York and L.A. with their rifles, having just played 500 hours of a Tribulation Force game, ready to hose down non-believers with cries of “Praise the Lord.”
What they don’t know is that the Crips and the Bloods have declared a truce, busted out all the AKs and are standing on the rooftops waiting for a cracker shoot.
31 July 2006, on 7:09 pm
And what’s with that guy’s fuckin moustache?
31 July 2006, on 7:17 pm
OK, here’s what I don’t understand: if you were “left behind” in the Tribulation Force game (hypothetically speaking that is), wouldn’t that mean that Gawd said you didn’t make the cut? And then, why should you care about converting us godless heathens?
Oh wait, these are x-tinas. Never mind…
31 July 2006, on 7:20 pm
Good point, Bastid. Makes no sense whatsoever. But what does?
31 July 2006, on 7:21 pm
Sean, it was my attempt at a grey hitler stache on “Scary Gary” North. Incidentally, when I went back in to do the re-emphasizing, I used only the WordPress “i” button- each and every time. Go figure.
31 July 2006, on 8:10 pm
People who claim to have a mission are generally dangerous people.
People who claim to have a mission from god, are downright dangerous fuckers.
31 July 2006, on 9:22 pm
That guy looks like a cross between Mr Drysdale and Bob Keeshan (Captain Kangaroo). I get the feeling that the only reason these folks still have a say in anything at all is because of you know who in the white house. But really what they are doing is anti american and subject to the patriot act.
Let’s see now the elections are in Nov. and they take office in January. So about 5-6 months before we can really get even.
Know your enemy before they start throwing rocks. These people do believe in killing us so if worse comes to worse be prepared to kill back first or run and hide. And remember the Robert Duvall character in Apocaypse Now. “There’s nothing like the smell of napalm first thing in the morning”.
Good post by the way. I am always happy to know what the fuck is going on and what to be prepared for.
31 July 2006, on 9:36 pm
That’s like the third or fourth dipshit who’s calling for America’s overthrow. (Of course, if you count each separate muslim “leader” and reconquista loony, it comes to something like 50).
Guess that’s what happens when a nation becomes completely and utterly neutered. Started with Carter, hasn’t improved since.
31 July 2006, on 9:40 pm
MegatroopX,
Don’t you mean the quaker Nixon?
31 July 2006, on 10:27 pm
And now you all know why I’m pro-gun. Right of the people dammit!!! Seriously, shit just keeps getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. Compare now to six year ago. People that talked like this were fringe lunatics that no one gave a shit about. Now there are massive fucking rallies for this shit. Rallies that say slavery is fucking okay?!?!? Stoning homosexuals and nonbelievers!!!!?! Shit, what happened to just not letting gays get married? Now we’re talking about some serious Hitler shit you know, only Hitler didn’t want to fucking kill adulterers and naked people.
And these guys are chummin’ up with major religious leaders and political figures? Ignorance, a bunch of assholes that didn’t pay attention in history class and haven’t had and experience other than their fucking sunday schools of hate. I mean, I’m sure their cause is exlusive enough that we have more than enough people to fight them, but I live in the fucking south. There might be a civil war, but I’m gonna be way down here goin “Seig Heil” with the rest of them to avoid detection.
31 July 2006, on 11:14 pm
We’ll come get ya, Ford. Or maybe you can form a resistance down there and we’ll set up a supply line- you know, once the “tubes” of the internets have been severed, we’ll have to send smoke signals. I’ve often wondered, seriously, what with almost a decade of build-up towards what came to be known as the “Final Solution”, the German and European Jews didn’t put up more of a fight against those that would round them up. That or at least got the hell out. Ah, well, in the immortal words of the Clash:
“When they kick at your front door, how you gonna come?
With your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?
When the law break in, how you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement or waiting on death row?”
You can crush us, you can bruise us
but you’ll have to answer to…
oh-ooooh, Guns of Brixton.”
Hopefully, it’ll be like an Indiana Jones moment with them ragtag and throwing stones while we watch, smirk, and then shoot them.
I have taco sauce in my hair and no idea how it got there.
31 July 2006, on 11:32 pm
MegaTroop: This country is “neutered?” And it all started with Carter? And Bill Clinton is responsible for Sept. 11? And Walter Mondale once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die? And Hillary gives birth to a thousand baby spiders every night and then eats them alive? And Ronald Reagan had a skull so hard it could crush Hungarian eggs in a single blow? And the Tooth Fairy is a gay liberal fascist who only wants to tax the good people of America by extracting all of their teeth?
We just overthrew the government of a sovereign nation with the direct opposition of the U.N. Security Counsel. Nobody was able to stop us. That doesn’t sound neutered to me.
I don’t think that has anything to do with this issue.
I do also agree that we have a double standard here. A few poor, crazy homeless guys in a warehouse in Miami talk about maybe going to Chicago for a deep dish pizza and a look at the Sears Tower and they are all arrested for terrorism, but Captain Kangaroo here talks about the direct overthrow of the U.S. government and nobody bats an eyelash? Why isn’t the FBI knocking on his crazy, white evangelical door?
Oh, yeah.
31 July 2006, on 11:37 pm
Ford
There is plenty of room out here in the west.
RDZ says
I’ve often wondered, seriously, what with almost a decade of build-up towards what came to be known as the “Final Solution”, the German and European Jews didn’t put up more of a fight against those that would round them up. That or at least got the hell out.
Me too. I read what happened to the jews and if it comes to that in my neighborhood then I’ll be taking a few of them with me. I believe it is appropriate to stop them before they get too much power. In every way we are capable of defending ourselves. We may find more support if we speak up now also. Before they have power. Preempt their plans. first by showing people what these nutjobs are really up to. Then by outright ostrasizing them. A full court press so to speak. Does anyone have any tactics that work?
Write in to local news? Get one of the journalists to expose them with a special presentation?
31 July 2006, on 11:48 pm
I read this and threw up a little in my mouth. I thought these kind of nuts were dead and gone but I was wrong (hey, that rhymes!).
“…North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers”
Now, since no two people hold precisely the same interpretation of the bibble, can anyone wonder what this may translate to for us?:
PRISONER: Dude, I don’t think it’s healthy for me to smoke this much pot…
WARDEN: Inhale Unbeliever! Inhale…!
31 July 2006, on 11:58 pm
Jimmer,
Again I call for the million godless heathens march. I don’t think anything but a show of numbers will demonstrate what we consider an affront to our freedom and liberty.
At least, not without going to jail.
1 August 2006, on 12:14 am
Da Rat Bastid
Gampac (Godless Americans Political action comittee) had a march in 2002 and about 2400 people showed. We will need to do better. It would be the very thing that we need though.
Those fundies sure are some fucked up folks.
1 August 2006, on 12:40 am
Jimmerone,
I didn’t know GAMPAC had tried this. I did hear about the Atheists in Foxholes march, but I’m not a vet.
Something tells me that a new march would do better. In 2002, people were still cowering in fear from the terruhists. I think there are better networks out there right now, too.
But yeah, it would still take some work.
1 August 2006, on 1:55 am
I should be somewhat protected, I live in what is known as “the triangle” of North Carolina, an area that is, politically and culturally, indistinguishable from California. That should offer some bubble of protection for about, oh, ten seconds considering the fact that this particular political orientation is a little gun-shy.
1 August 2006, on 1:56 am
“Marxists in the English departments!”
Oh yes… we are everywhere!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *laughed with evil gusto*
EVERYWHERE!
1 August 2006, on 2:44 am
I’m ready. Got my 9mm semi auto carbine behind my bedroom door. All I have to do is pop in the clip and get a shell in the chamber.
Let’s see how many of the fundie nazis I can take with me before they have to blow me away…..
The only way they’ll convert me is when I’m already a corpse.
1 August 2006, on 2:50 am
“Marxists in the English departments!”
You know what I really hate about cold war era politics? When it came to what we had that they didn’t, we had a perfect argument against communism that went along with what America is supposed to be all about, “Under communism, you lack freedom or individuality.” Instead, we went “Commies are Godless!!” Now look at the fucking mess it’s caused, not unlike giving bin Laden CIA training and support.
1 August 2006, on 8:03 am
Well, at least now I know what all those American detention camps are for. Yesterday I found a site that listed all their locations; five in Texas alone, one less than ten miles from where I live.
1 August 2006, on 8:40 am
“the Second Amendment envisions the assassination of “tyrants;” that’s why we have guns”
“And what should the church be doing? According to these self-appointed arbiters of God’s will, running our lives. And stoning those who disagree.”
There you have it – they have outlined the terms of conflict. Fire away, boys.
1 August 2006, on 9:45 am
Spaf, I’m not sure but I think it takes a Mormon to “save” the dead, which is really fucked up because, not only would you be dead, but you’d probaly have to wear a shortsleeved dress shirt and ride around heaven on a bicycle. On the plus side, you just might get to eat your dinner off of Old Joe Smith’s Golden Plates.
Abra, I understand the building of those
concentrationinternment camps was contracted out to our pals at Hallibortion- man these boys can make a dollar out of evil. On the plus side of that, I’m sure that hellish incarceration and random stonings will allow me to focus enough to finish that novel I’ve been working on.“Goodbye to Rosie, the Queen of Corona,
seeing me and Solzhenitsyn down by the razor wire…”
1 August 2006, on 11:53 am
22 Da Rat Bastid
Before my time.
25 Sean
Okaaay, sensing some defensiveness, and not a little bad crazy.
For pre-Carter, see response to DRB.
Examples of neutering:
- 1-year-plus hostage-keeping by terrorist who goes on to be national leader.
- So little consquence for hijackings that people don’t rebel until they realize they’re doomed.
- Failure to finish the job in gulf I. Why? Because the UN said no.
- A neighboring nation for whom economic piracy is national policy.
- A line around the block of folks who want to overthrow America. See the above-named wackos.
- WWII redux, ccomplete with a Pearl Harbor, and little to no cohesion regarding fighting it.
- Cut and run as a policy. (countless examples)
- “Islam will dominate” demonstrations not only not being stopped, but protected by police.
- Openly passing information to the enemy in time of war with no consequences.
- People walking into and shooting up hospitals, opening stating their status as holy warriors, and the rush to deny same.
- Dumping Geneva, in favor of Bizarro-Geneva.
And Bill Clinton is responsible for Sept. 11?
While I would hold 8-year-guy a little more culpable than 8-month-guy, they were just the latest in the string of folks who ignored a classic escalation pattern until its inevitable culmination. At least I hope it was the culmination, but I doubt it.
We just overthrew the government of a sovereign nation with the direct opposition of the U.N. Security Counsel.
Which is about as difficult as kicking an elderly chihuahua. Seriously, as hard as it may be for people who worship at the UN altar to accept, the UN has precisely 0 capability of enforcing its “resoulutions”. Sorry, but stern letters do not have much of an impact. All it can do is yip and hope the target is jumpy.
but
Captain Kangaroo hereAchmed here talks about the direct overthrow of the U.S. government and nobody bats an eyelash?Oh, yeah.
28, 30 Da Rat Bastid
There are all kinds of groups for this sort of thing. I signed up at the Atheists In Foxholes site, although I’m not currently active Army (awaiting appoval of injury recovery).
1 August 2006, on 11:56 am
here
Full link in case PINMF
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060718/ids_photos_ts/r2054771025.jpg
1 August 2006, on 2:50 pm
I can find you plenty of photos that show the same of fundamentalist Jews, Xians, Sikhs, blah blah blah.
What’s with the militant conservative Americanism?
1 August 2006, on 4:23 pm
I can find you plenty of photos that show the same of fundamentalist Jews, Xians, Sikhs, blah blah blah.
So the fact that there are assholes everywhere invalidates a warning regarding the ones who actually do something about it?
Being pro-american is not something I’m going to apologize for. The development of a fully rational (rationalized?) society entails two steps:
1) The abandonment of religion.
Europe has done this, but it stopped there, and is being dragged down into a morass of its own; what can only be termed despair. They can’t even be motivated to raise kids anymore, because the future will suck, and why add to it? The reason for this is that Europe has failed to reach step…
2) Break through the nihilist Sargasso to the wide-open frontier of Potential.
Good, you now recognize that there is no sky daddy giving you morality. So you develop your own, right? Since you don’t pull meaning out of a dusty tome, you make your own meaning, right?
The problem is, every post-step-1 group I can think of…stops! They fall into the notion that without externally given morality, there isn’t any. There’s no meaning, no right or wrong, no reason to strive for anything. It’s like a blown-out egg. Religion is the shell. Crack it and there’s nothing inside. That’s nihilism. The nihilist believes that since secular ethics are an impossibility, there’s no reason anything is better than anything else. In this black, dead, passionless state, the nihilist is an easy target for the driven stage 0/stage 1s. Witness the Paris Intifada, and the reaction, or lack thereof, to it.
Okay, back to my main point. I am pro-american because I see it as the current prime candidate for a post-stage-2 civilization, having an unprecidented amount of freedom built into it (don’t go on a rant, I know there are problems, but it’s less busted than everyone else). Provided that out of love for our fellow man, we tug them out of stage 1 and through 2, and stop the ones pulling backwards. That’s what that sign says to me. The question is, is there the motivation to pull forward?
Well?
1 August 2006, on 5:35 pm
Trouble is Troop, the fine Americans on your- apparently- side of the aisle aren’t in the least bit ready to even consider step 1- in fact, they seem to be headed in completely the other direction. A theocratic superpower is something I want no part of.
Everyone of us here- except the odd Canuck or Aussie, is pro-American. Our criticism is like the group of friends at an alcoholic’s intervention and, for the center of attention, some of it is hard to take.
Your point regarding the Iranian Revolution and the subsequent hostage crisis completely ignores the corruption and tyranny of our boy, the Shah- you know the one WE put in power after overthrowing the democratically elected Mossadegh(remember him?).
As loathe as I am to defend Bush 41, the decision not to go into Baghdad was not made in deference to the UN. It was made out of the wisdom of that administration in knowing what toppling Hussein, what an occupation of Iraq, would be like. 41, unlike his weak sister son, knew the ethnic makeup of the gerrymandered state called “Iraq” would most likely disintegrate- see today’s news, and that, despite our loathing of Saddam, a relatively stable Iraq kept Iran contained.
“- A neighboring nation for whom economic piracy is national policy. racist bullshit
- A line around the block of folks who want to overthrow America. See the above-named wackos. comes with being top dog
- WWII redux, ccomplete with a Pearl Harbor, and little to no cohesion regarding fighting it. Bush’s Global War on Terror consists mainly of cowboy rhetoric and incompetence. I agree.
- Cut and run as a policy. (countless examples) not sure if you mean Murtha, Somalia, both?
- “Islam will dominate” demonstrations not only not being stopped, but protected by police. Where?
- Openly passing information to the enemy in time of war with no consequences.Hopefully, Rove will be indicted..not that? If you mean the New York Times, you need to go back to Hannity.com
- People walking into and shooting up hospitals, opening stating their status as holy warriors, and the rush to deny same. the bipolar Pakistani who shot up the Jewish Center the other day had also just converted to xinsanity. Though he did say he was an “angry muslim”, I think he really qualifies as just non compos mentis.”
Regarding Step 2, I don’t think anybody here- except that Francois Tremblay whackjob, advocates anything less than humanistic personal morality. In terms of taking it forward, where is everybody? Are there enough of us to do more than make ourselves feel good with a march of some kind? Does a Heathen’s March do anything more than deepen the fundies persecution complex? Shit, I’m up for anything. Ideas?
1 August 2006, on 9:29 pm
Your point regarding the Iranian Revolution and the subsequent hostage crisis completely ignores the corruption and tyranny of our boy, the Shah- you know the one WE put in power after overthrowing the democratically elected Mossadegh(remember him?).
Had to go look that up. Wasn’t actually democratically elected, but named by the Majilis, but that’s beside your point.
So basically, whoever’s in power is worse than the predecessor?
Man, that’s depressing.
WWII redux
I think you misunderstood my “little to no cohesion” comment. I meant that some people refuse to even believe it is a war. Had this sort of stuff gone on back in WWII, no way would the Allies have won. 2008 is going to interesting no matter what happens (like a Chinese curse).
humanistic personal morality
That’s a good way of putting it. We really need people to realize that there are some things that can pretty much be completely agreed upon, so you don’t need to be told them, for pete’s sake.
(well, OK, you do need to be told them, when you’re three.)
2 August 2006, on 1:35 am
Well, hello there, MegaTroopX!
Allow me to make an introduction! My name is Roger Ramjet!
I am not sure how old you are, but you may remember me from your youth as the valiant hero who, along with the American Eagle Squadron, protected the American way from the no-good Noodles Romanoff and the evil organization, N.A.S.T.Y. (the National Association of Spies, Traitors and Yahoos.). Other villains I faced off against back in those days of derring-do included Jacqueline Hyde, Henry Cabbage Patch, Count Bat Guy, the Toil of Olé, Red Dog, Dr. Frank N. Schwein, the Solenoid Robots and the Height Brothers (Cronk, Horse, and Gezundt).
Yes, I was an internationally famous good-guy. I received my assignments from the Pentagon’s own General G.I. Brassbottom. When I got in a jam, I relied on my secret weapon, the Proton Energy Pill, which gave me the power of twenty atom bombs for a period of exactly twenty seconds. In situations where the pill’s effects wore off, or when my supply of pills was depleted, the Eagle Squadron came to my rescue.
You may not remember this MegaTroopX, but there was a time when America was powerful, mighty, and warlike beyond all questioning. Now, some traitors, many of them going by monikers such as Al Franken and Danny Glover, have sought to undermine America’s masculinity in the world today. Your words have struck a chord with me, MegaTroopX! (imagine being hit on the head with a rusty acoustic guitar and you’ll get the picture!)
America HAS been neutered! When WAS the last time we nuked something into oblivion? When did we last kick the United Nations in the proverbial nutsack and announced: “It’s my way or the highway, BUCKO?!”
I may need your help, MegaTroopX. I may need you to join my New Eagle Squadron. However, your code-name may be too obvious, so let’s work on it for a moment, shall we?
“Mega”: This is good. Tough. Macho. Fearless. The American Way! But it also may indicate too obviously that you have a penis the size of a pickled Vienna sausage. This won’t do. We men of the ’90s don’t wear our phallus sizes on our sleeves anymore. I would replace this with something such as… Hmmm. Let’s seee… “Mocha”… No, sounds gay and chocolate-y. “Mooka?” Too, um, Little Italy. But wait. I have it!. “Mecca!” Since you are a complete bigot who hates anything remotely Arab, nobody would ever suspect YOU of all people to have the code-name “Mecca!” I love it!
Now… “Troop.” Gonna have to get creative with this one. Troop. I know why you use it. It reminds you of when you were a kid and you were beating up smaller G.I. Joe Dolls in the sandbox with your big G.I. Joe Doll. You remember, while all the rest of the kids were crawling away from you, the ones that were really only up for a game of marbles, disturbed and frightened?
I got it! The childhood reference nailed it! We need to push you even further undercover so the modern enemy can never recognize you! You’ll love me for this one, Mecca! It fits your 12-year-old mentality to a tee! “Poop!”
That’s it!
Yes. “Poop!” Instead of “Troop”, you’ll be… um… a “Poop!”
What do you mean you don’t like it?
Well, I like it and I say it’s “Poop!”
What??
Don’t fuck with me, mister! I’m Roger-Motherfuckin’-Ramjet, you got it??? I’ll bet you’re the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddam common courtesy to give him a reach-around. I’ll be watching you!
Now, let’s go for that last goddamn thing. That letter X. It could mean a lot of things that letter. It could mean X marks the spot. It could mean, I have a big fuckin’ X tattooed right the milla of my forehead. It could mean ‘I put an X here cuz I was a’scared of what else I might put here.
Big words scare ya? Do they, son? Speak up! I say, I say, I’m talkin’ to you, son!
How about smaller words? Words that sound like X but ain’t? Lessee. Tex-Mex. That’s like food. T-Rex. That there’s a dinosaur. Folex. Damn good carpet cleaner.
I got it! I gots the word you were scared of, son!
“Sex!”
That’s it, ain’t it? Well hot doggy.
No reason to be scared of that word, son. It only means critters sticking things in each other and bumping around to make babies. You can come over my house any time you want if ya wanna see how it works.
So there we have it. Your SUPER DUPER undercover name:
MeccaPoopSex!
Them commies and libbies will never find you now. In fact, if you need an alibi, you can always say “I am a devout Muslim. Burqa! Burqa! Burqa! At the time of the bombing I was having deep anal poop sex with my highly submissive wife while we both prayed toward Mecca! There is very much shit on my dick so that I can prove this thing! Come! Come and see!”
2 August 2006, on 6:21 am
Okay, Roger, please stop doing drugs. Or at least stop doing so much and so many at once. You are going to hurt yourself.
Does anyone know where Roger can get some methdone?
2 August 2006, on 9:18 am
Mr. MeccaPoop (ee-doop-ee-doo-da-day): I DEMAND that you refer to me as either Captain Ram, Mr. Jet, Jetta-rooni, Jetta-licious — or just plain old Lover-Boy-Glory-Bumps. But never, EVER, presume to call me “Roger.” My grandmother called me Roger once.
Once.
Roger that, armchair soldier?
Atten hut! Forward, PLOOB!
2 August 2006, on 9:33 am
MegaTroopX,
You haven’t lost religion- you’ve just traded theology for fundamentalist jingoism.
2 August 2006, on 9:35 am
I choose none of the above.
The great thing about the internet is that it grants a great deal of insight into people.
You have the honest debaters.
Then there are the trolls.
Then there are the total nuttier-than-squirrel-turds whackjobs.
That last category is a bad place to be.
Please get help.
2 August 2006, on 9:43 am
How dare this man suggest that I need help? The only help I need are my Proton Pills, which say that I get my extraordinary abilities from drugs. My Proton Energy Pills give me the power of 10,000 atomic bombs for ten seconds — but what I felt like during the 11th second was never specified. (Note: a prominent reference book gives the numbers as 20,000 bombs, 20 seconds, and that was copied into many subsequent works. The 10 and 10,000 figures come from the actual cartoons.)
So what am I to do? If I can’t control my jingoistic minions like you, MeccaPoopSex, what can I control? Clearly, even my super drugs, provided by the U.S. Gooberment itself, cannot supply complete reliability!
Till then (and thanks for the methadone offer, but I kicked my smack habit years ago), I am, and always will be YOUR ROGER RAMJET!
AND AWAY!