Comments on: Reclaiming the Word “Liberal” http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: God is for Suckers! - Commentary, news, and rants on the evils and stupidity of belief in the big invisible daddy in the sky. Illuminating and watchdogging the widespread attempts to institutionalize the theocratic rule of the US. Making fun of believers http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-223025 God is for Suckers! - Commentary, news, and rants on the evils and stupidity of belief in the big invisible daddy in the sky. Illuminating and watchdogging the widespread attempts to institutionalize the theocratic rule of the US. Making fun of believers Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:09:39 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-223025 [...] Reclaiming the Word “Liberal” (I love Sean’s “asshatting” job on Petersen in this one. [...] [...] Reclaiming the Word “Liberal” (I love Sean’s “asshatting” job on Petersen in this one. [...]

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By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-50971 Eve Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:26:55 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-50971 That's what I don't get about this particular mind-set, Sean; don't they realize that they themselves could need "help" one day? What if they become so severely disabled in some way that they can't work and need big-ticket medical help on an ongoing basis? Even one of the nicest little nest eggs could easily be broken in such a scenario. Would they want society to drop them off in Death Valley with three days' food and water to face their demise alone like the ancient Spartans did? That’s what I don’t get about this particular mind-set, Sean; don’t they realize that they themselves could need “help” one day? What if they become so severely disabled in some way that they can’t work and need big-ticket medical help on an ongoing basis? Even one of the nicest little nest eggs could easily be broken in such a scenario. Would they want society to drop them off in Death Valley with three days’ food and water to face their demise alone like the ancient Spartans did?

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By: Sean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-49797 Sean Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:39:25 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-49797 Hey, Village Idiot: <i>The New England elite </i> you speak of gave you your fucking Bill of Rights. There are lots of other definitions of liberal out there besides Answers.com: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. liberal SYLLABICATION: lib·er·al PRONUNCIATION: lbr-l, lbrl ADJECTIVE: 1a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; <b>free from bigotry</b>. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and <b>tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded</b>. I fail to see your problem. Do you have a desire to continue the great traditions of authoritarianism, intolerance and bigotry? Or are you just flapping out of your asshole? And if the conservative says <b>if the liberal is for laissez-faire then why does the liberal support welfare and minimum wages so strongly? Isn’t that government intervention? This definition is simply a joke and doesn’t hold to scrutiny</b>, why does the conservative support giving every living American's recorded phone conversations over to the National Security Agency? You dumb fucks talk about "small government" only when it means a few paltry programs to keep the poor with dinner on their tables. When it comes to fascist oppression of everyone who disagrees with your jingoistic/militant ways, it's no-holds-barred. Why do you bastards get so worked up over tiny social programs for the poor but say nothing about the trillions we spend on killing people? Why is that? It always boggles my fucking mind. Where is your fucking humanity? Hey, Village Idiot:

The New England elite you speak of gave you your fucking Bill of Rights.

There are lots of other definitions of liberal out there besides Answers.com:

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

liberal

SYLLABICATION: lib·er·al
PRONUNCIATION: lbr-l, lbrl
ADJECTIVE: 1a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

I fail to see your problem. Do you have a desire to continue the great traditions of authoritarianism, intolerance and bigotry? Or are you just flapping out of your asshole?

And if the conservative says if the liberal is for laissez-faire then why does the liberal support welfare and minimum wages so strongly? Isn’t that government intervention? This definition is simply a joke and doesn’t hold to scrutiny, why does the conservative support giving every living American’s recorded phone conversations over to the National Security Agency?

You dumb fucks talk about “small government” only when it means a few paltry programs to keep the poor with dinner on their tables. When it comes to fascist oppression of everyone who disagrees with your jingoistic/militant ways, it’s no-holds-barred.

Why do you bastards get so worked up over tiny social programs for the poor but say nothing about the trillions we spend on killing people? Why is that? It always boggles my fucking mind. Where is your fucking humanity?

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By: The Village Idiot http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-49783 The Village Idiot Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:15:10 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-49783 Show your facist colors? Yes, I am more than willing to "respect" the opinion of one who closes his comment with such an ignorant statement. I guess the premise is that unless you accept some codified definition of "liberal" that you surely must be against everything that was given in the definition. That is like asking "Does your mom know you're gay?". Much like your crusade to eliminate the "ignorant", don't you find it quite akin to those that you would offer up such an Either\Or? I would agree that the right side of the farm is guilty of tainting the L word but it is very closed minded to give them full credit. The left side of the farm has done a fantastic job of allowing themselves, and the L word, to be a negative connotation. Could it be those who try to shout over speakers on college campuses who want to speak on non-liberal political ideas? Or maybe it is the hypocrisy of the New England elite who cry for the poor and minorities while living just as rich as any 'Phant? Simply saying "I am what this definition says I am" does not necessarily translate into "This is how they are coming across", much less that said definition only encompasses one who is a liberal. So ONLY a liberal favors natural goodness, autonomy and favors civil and political liberties? Only the liberals want to protect us from arbitrary authority? Oddly enought, if I capitalize Liberalsim I apparently get: <b>A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.</b> This, however, really sets the tone: <b>Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.</b><b> Yes, that is conservatism. I'd like to thank answers.com for doing such a good job of dolling up the word liberal. Heck, even if I wanted to be a conservative I surely would check myself based on such a bland and limited definition. I guess the basic implication is that change is always good in light of liberal. But that isn't the end: here is the kicker. If the liberal is for laissez-faire then why does the liberal support welfare and minimum wages so strongly? Isn't that government intervention? This definition is simply a joke and doesn't hold to scrutiny. The liberal side of the Mule has done as must damage as the Religious Wrong has done to the 'Phant party. Try to think of liberal in practice and not in theory.</b> Show your facist colors? Yes, I am more than willing to “respect” the opinion of one who closes his comment with such an ignorant statement. I guess the premise is that unless you accept some codified definition of “liberal” that you surely must be against everything that was given in the definition. That is like asking “Does your mom know you’re gay?”. Much like your crusade to eliminate the “ignorant”, don’t you find it quite akin to those that you would offer up such an Either\Or?

I would agree that the right side of the farm is guilty of tainting the L word but it is very closed minded to give them full credit. The left side of the farm has done a fantastic job of allowing themselves, and the L word, to be a negative connotation. Could it be those who try to shout over speakers on college campuses who want to speak on non-liberal political ideas? Or maybe it is the hypocrisy of the New England elite who cry for the poor and minorities while living just as rich as any ‘Phant?

Simply saying “I am what this definition says I am” does not necessarily translate into “This is how they are coming across”, much less that said definition only encompasses one who is a liberal. So ONLY a liberal favors natural goodness, autonomy and favors civil and political liberties? Only the liberals want to protect us from arbitrary authority?

Oddly enought, if I capitalize Liberalsim I apparently get:

A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.

This, however, really sets the tone:

Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

Yes, that is conservatism. I’d like to thank answers.com for doing such a good job of dolling up the word liberal. Heck, even if I wanted to be a conservative I surely would check myself based on such a bland and limited definition. I guess the basic implication is that change is always good in light of liberal.

But that isn’t the end: here is the kicker. If the liberal is for laissez-faire then why does the liberal support welfare and minimum wages so strongly? Isn’t that government intervention? This definition is simply a joke and doesn’t hold to scrutiny.

The liberal side of the Mule has done as must damage as the Religious Wrong has done to the ‘Phant party. Try to think of liberal in practice and not in theory.

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By: Sean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-49190 Sean Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:21:19 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-49190 Tremblay: I also <a href="http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-48927" rel="nofollow">directly refuted your silliness here</a>. Tremblay: I also directly refuted your silliness here.

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By: Ford http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-49170 Ford Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:48:20 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-49170 <strong>"With such rhetoric, is it any wonder that atheism is painted as an ally of political coercion, when they see atheists calling a strong ruling class whose goal it is to impose their value system on all of society by force "the idea of freedom"? Liberals go against centuries of civil disobedience and our constant attempt to take down the power of kings and tyrants. Atheist liberals are especially hypocrite, since they praise the ruling class that marginalizes them, and they praise the democracy that gives the religious majority power to oppress them. To be an atheist liberal makes about as much sense as being a gay Christian."</strong> When the fuck did we ever "praise the ruling class that marginalizes" us? Oh, you're talking about government itself right? So tell me this, you destroy government, what happens? People group together in tribes and thus a primitive government is formed. This primitive government is more brutal than anything we have today, and probably worse, now that we'll have fucking nukes and other lovely toys of destruction laying around. Why don't you define what you think liberal means asshole, because I don't recall anyone endorsing the form of liberal you're describing. You seem to think we're all about letting people tell us how to fucking live and groveling at the feet of tyrants. You apparently didn't read the fucking post at all, you just saw some words endorsing liberal and went with your warped definitions. You essentially built and attacked a fucking strawman in your "direct refutation". <strong>"I guess it’s easier to snipe from afar than to defend your silly beliefs."</strong> Snipe from afar? Would you like us to send someone to your house with a shotgun or something asshole? This is the internet, I can guarantee most of us are pretty fucking far away from each other. <strong>"It’s interesting that no liberal has dared to reply to my direct refutation of the “atheist liberal” foolishness."</strong> You made two fucking comments, one told us to shut up and that we were silly, the other had a link to your bullshit post that basically said the same bullshit as your first comment along with a bunch of strawman bullshit. You apparently think you're the main focus of the comments section, why don't you take a look around, we brushed your foolish bullshit aside early on in the comments, we've had bigger assholes to burn. You know, people that at least make some arguments, illogical they may be, rather than some strawmen and bullying. Now lets think about this, atheism- no theism, no theological belief. Since there are no bullshit gods and the like, there is no reed to follow arbitrary mystical rules, only to maintain real rules to avoid real problems and pains- in other words, liberal. I have little clue what kind of fucking "liberal" you're talking about. You do your strawman/fucked up defintions argument thing all of the fucking time, you did it at kill the afterlife and twopercentco, now you're doing again here. Find a new routine or learn how to think. “With such rhetoric, is it any wonder that atheism is painted as an ally of political coercion, when they see atheists calling a strong ruling class whose goal it is to impose their value system on all of society by force “the idea of freedom”? Liberals go against centuries of civil disobedience and our constant attempt to take down the power of kings and tyrants.

Atheist liberals are especially hypocrite, since they praise the ruling class that marginalizes them, and they praise the democracy that gives the religious majority power to oppress them. To be an atheist liberal makes about as much sense as being a gay Christian.”

When the fuck did we ever “praise the ruling class that marginalizes” us? Oh, you’re talking about government itself right? So tell me this, you destroy government, what happens? People group together in tribes and thus a primitive government is formed. This primitive government is more brutal than anything we have today, and probably worse, now that we’ll have fucking nukes and other lovely toys of destruction laying around.

Why don’t you define what you think liberal means asshole, because I don’t recall anyone endorsing the form of liberal you’re describing. You seem to think we’re all about letting people tell us how to fucking live and groveling at the feet of tyrants. You apparently didn’t read the fucking post at all, you just saw some words endorsing liberal and went with your warped definitions. You essentially built and attacked a fucking strawman in your “direct refutation”.

“I guess it’s easier to snipe from afar than to defend your silly beliefs.”

Snipe from afar? Would you like us to send someone to your house with a shotgun or something asshole? This is the internet, I can guarantee most of us are pretty fucking far away from each other.

“It’s interesting that no liberal has dared to reply to my direct refutation of the “atheist liberal” foolishness.”

You made two fucking comments, one told us to shut up and that we were silly, the other had a link to your bullshit post that basically said the same bullshit as your first comment along with a bunch of strawman bullshit. You apparently think you’re the main focus of the comments section, why don’t you take a look around, we brushed your foolish bullshit aside early on in the comments, we’ve had bigger assholes to burn. You know, people that at least make some arguments, illogical they may be, rather than some strawmen and bullying.

Now lets think about this, atheism- no theism, no theological belief. Since there are no bullshit gods and the like, there is no reed to follow arbitrary mystical rules, only to maintain real rules to avoid real problems and pains- in other words, liberal. I have little clue what kind of fucking “liberal” you’re talking about.

You do your strawman/fucked up defintions argument thing all of the fucking time, you did it at kill the afterlife and twopercentco, now you’re doing again here. Find a new routine or learn how to think.

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By: Raindogzilla http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-49169 Raindogzilla Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:43:48 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-49169 Francis- or is that "Psycho"? You directly refuted nothing, let alone the supposed bogeyman, "atheist liberalism". You're a squirrelly sort, Frenchie, with some vast reserve of hatred coursing through your anemic veins. I suspect that you may have been sexually abused by some sort of livestock at an early age and this, in addition to the massive overload of Cheetos and Mello Yello on your arteries and a sexually- charged relationship with the mother who's basement you inhabit, has created in you a squalling, hydrophobic rodent of a personality. Liberalism is not communism, is not coercive in any way shape or form, and is certainly better off without you. Thanks for playing, moron. Francis- or is that “Psycho”? You directly refuted nothing, let alone the supposed bogeyman, “atheist liberalism”. You’re a squirrelly sort, Frenchie, with some vast reserve of hatred coursing through your anemic veins. I suspect that you may have been sexually abused by some sort of livestock at an early age and this, in addition to the massive overload of Cheetos and Mello Yello on your arteries and a sexually- charged relationship with the mother who’s basement you inhabit, has created in you a squalling, hydrophobic rodent of a personality. Liberalism is not communism, is not coercive in any way shape or form, and is certainly better off without you. Thanks for playing, moron.

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By: Francois Tremblay http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/comment-page-2/#comment-49159 Francois Tremblay Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:08:20 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/07/30/reclaiming-the-word-liberal/#comment-49159 It's interesting that no liberal has dared to reply to my direct refutation of the "atheist liberal" foolishness. I guess it's easier to snipe from afar than to defend your silly beliefs. You might want to take a lesson in zeal from the fundies... It’s interesting that no liberal has dared to reply to my direct refutation of the “atheist liberal” foolishness. I guess it’s easier to snipe from afar than to defend your silly beliefs. You might want to take a lesson in zeal from the fundies…

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