Rapture Lunatics Enraptured by Mideast Turmoil
20 July 2006 by Sean
(Thanks to Robin for sending this in.)
From Harper’s online:
Silver Linings and a Cross of Gold
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006. It turns out there’s an upside to the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah—if you’re waiting for the second coming of Christ. Here’s a selection of excited messages spotted over the last few days on the Rapture Ready/End Times Chat online bulletin board. By Ken Silverstein.
Praise God! We are chosen to be in these times and also watch and spread the word. Something inside me is exploding to get out, and I don’t know what it is. Its kind of like I want to do cartwheels around the neighborhood.
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In another thread, someone brought up the fact that the kidnapping of the first Israeli soldier that started this whole thing was on June 25th and if you count from that day to August 3rd…….it is *EXACTLY 40 days!!!!!*
I find that to be a HUGE coincidence.
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A question just popped in my head. Do you think children of around say 7 or 8 (but before the age of accountability) that have been indoctrinated up until that time by their parents religious beliefs will be raptured? . . . For example, would a 7 year old muslim be raptured? I know G-d will do right but I was just wondering everyone’s thoughts. I hate to think of kids being left here.
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Got that dancing feeling on the inside of me.
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This is the busiest I’ve ever seen this website in a few years! I have been having rapture dreams and I can’t believe that this is really it! We are on the edge of eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whoa! I can sure feel the glory bumps after reading this thread!
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I too am soooo excited!! I get goose bumps, literally, when I watch what’s going on in the M.E.!! And Watcherboy, you were so right when saying it was quite a day yesterday, in the world news, and I add in local news here in the Boston area!! Tunnel ceiling collapsed on a car and killed a woman of faith, and we had the most terrifying storms I have ever seen here!! But, yes, oh happy day, like in your screen name , it is most indeed a time to be happy and excited, right there with ya!!
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I am excited beyond words that the struggle of this life may be over soon and I can finally be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!* * *
This is so exciting….I’m having a hard time believing this is ‘real’!
Little kids are getting blown to pieces and these people are fucking celebrating it as the glory of gawd and the coming of Jeebus.
Now who has a dark worldview, these maniacs or those of us we believe we get one life and we’d better make it a damn good one?
The time has come for decent Xians to stand up to these people with us. Enough is enough.
I can’t bring myself to post this under any other topic besides “Crazy Fundies.” It sums it up completely.
To our friend J.H. Bowden: these are the people you are voting with when you vote Republican. Mmm-kay?
20 July 2006, on 7:54 pm
People are being killed and all these ignorant assholes think it’s a good thing? These people make me sick.
20 July 2006, on 8:13 pm
These people are exultant in the blood being spilled. Spilled for ignorance and hatred. We have come so far in our understanding of our world and of each other. Yet this is the best thing to these fucktards. It truly shows their real colors. They are sick and need help. This political season will come and it would be nice to start today with a campaign to question our potential representatives. Do you believe in the rapture? Do you believe in starting the war that will usher in the rapture? Etc. We have got to free ourselves and our world of these fucking idiots.
20 July 2006, on 8:20 pm
I wonder how long these idiots can keep this up? You’d think they’d be sick of waiting by now. Oh that’s right, they are!
20 July 2006, on 8:25 pm
“Whoa! I can sure feel the glory bumps after reading this thread!”
Get your hands off my Glory Bumps!
20 July 2006, on 8:34 pm
What’s the difference between rapture-enthralled xians, and pervs who jerk off watching snuff films?
No, seriously… what’s the fucking difference.
20 July 2006, on 8:37 pm
I’m thinking that maybe some of these people either don’t really believe in the Rapture but aren’t sure and see the world spiralling out of control anyway, or do and are scared to death at the prospect of it, and are maybe saying they’re excited about and looking forward to it in a desperate attempt to combat/cover up/deal with their fear – you know, the “lady-protests-too-much-methinks” syndrome. Camille Paglia would call it “apotropaic language,” invoking the thing you most fear in a context in which you can control it, or at least control the fear.
Some of them are also probably jumping on the bandwagon out of sheer conformity to their fundy community; they get to say “look how excited I am about the idea of the Rapture!” so that their compadres say in reply, “Wow, what a Good Xian you are!”.
Which of course leaves the true psycho sickos who really *are* happy about misery, murder, and mayhem.
20 July 2006, on 8:42 pm
Oh. Shit.
Yeah, that link? I didn’t see that some fundie nutjob had posted a comment on there.
It would be funny if I didn’t know the guy was serious. Check this out:
Hello, my name is Lawrence William Page II. Many people know me as Buddy Page. At the release of the first edition of this book, I am a 50-year old African-American male, author, researcher, and former software engineer and entrepreneur. As you will come to understand as you read through this first book, I am also the long-expected Hebrew Messiah and Lion of the Tribe of Juda (Yehuda).
He didn’t get around to telling people who he was until after he got through some sort of numerology/”symbology” rant before he got to who he was.
Oh, and that HE’S the Messiah. It sounds like a Troy McClure role!
“Hi, I’m Try McClure. You may remember me from movie like ‘The Postman brings the bills’ and ‘Buddy Page, Messiah’.
Idyut.
20 July 2006, on 8:50 pm
Disgusting, disgusting humans…
20 July 2006, on 9:13 pm
But Raindog, your Glory Bumps are sooo sexy.
20 July 2006, on 10:31 pm
“n another thread, someone brought up the fact that the kidnapping of the first Israeli soldier that started this whole thing was on June 25th and if you count from that day to August 3rd…….it is *EXACTLY 40 days!!!!!*
I find that to be a HUGE coincidence.”
Is there some significance to August 3rd?
from wikipedia:
1934 – Adolf Hitler becomes the supreme leader of Germany by joining the offices of President and Chancellor into Führer.
1940 – Martin Sheen (is born), American actor
20 July 2006, on 10:31 pm
I have no idea what the parameters are for “decent Xtian”, Sean, but I’ve been doing my best for about 17 years. It’s no different than GOTV or increasing Democratic voting- one person at a time is usually the only way things change.
And rest assured there are millions of, um, sane? Xtians all over the U.S. who are on your side and the side of this site.
I was ruminating today about how your mission here actually helps the church become what it’s supposed to be. Lot’s of thoughts about that, should write some sometime.
Remember, we get all their shit.
And by the way, RainDog, you only get to touch your Glory Bumps once a day or you will develop hairy palms. We talked about this one before- keep your hands off of yourself!
20 July 2006, on 10:40 pm
To Mike et al-
Aug. 3 is a Jewish fasting day called Tisha B’Av.
Good link here, including significant happenings on Aug. 3 in history-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B%27Av
20 July 2006, on 11:17 pm
Go back! Go back! It’s just another mideast war!
(apologies to my favorite joke in 5th grade)
So, umm… are any of these here moo-rons making any predictions about when Jesus will come down with his big-ass sword of smiting (+10) and start wacking unbelievers? Is it supposed to be August 3rd?
If so, I’d sure like to test their beliefs by offering to protect their worldly possessions by taking them off their hands on August 2nd (signed contract in-hand).
Wouldn’t that be a hoot? Could we all pitch in and get a lawyer to draft a document that would give clear title to cars, boats, TV’s, whatever, to ourselves and whomever we can get to sign? Then go to one of those big-ass mega churches and start signing people up? The document could be drafted to say something like, “possession begins on August 4th” and then on August 4th start making the rounds to collect all this loot and then sue these stupid fucks for renegging on the contract when they refuse to give up their worldly goods. Getting as much publicity as possible, of course.
20 July 2006, on 11:30 pm
So the arbitrary Jesus on the wilderness, rain on Noah, number, 40, is significant here? So the Rapture will find the observant Jew in serious need of a sandwich? So tunnels collapsing on people of faith IS a good thing?(That makes me feel better about laughing at them when they do.) So does that mean I can shoot anyone I see “cartwheeling” around the neighborhood?(Please say yes.)So couldthis “dancing feeling” I feel inside of me have something to do with those “glory bumps” I hoovered with that rolled up Benjamin?
Man, oh man. You can’t imagine how much I wish this were really going to happen and, if it were, that these poor excuses for christians would actually be the ones to go- just think of all the vacant trailers ready for another round of hurricane refugees. Far as I can tell, though, if there were a real rapture, only Jimmy Carter, my Dad, and, maybe, kid kawartha would be eligible for lift off.
20 July 2006, on 11:36 pm
Yeah, but then I’d have to send a fire-proof e-mail to talk to all my friends……
Me and Mr. Carter could build those solid gold houses. They better have beer and smokes up there, or else I’ll be back.
20 July 2006, on 11:56 pm
In another thread, someone brought up the fact that the kidnapping of the first Israeli soldier that started this whole thing was on June 25th and if you count from that day to August 3rd…….it is *EXACTLY 40 days!!!!!*
I find that to be a HUGE coincidence.
What the fuck is this crazy fundie talking about? It’s not even August 3rd yet.
21 July 2006, on 12:03 am
“someone brought up the fact that the kidnapping of the first Israeli soldier that started this whole thing was on June 25th and if you count from that day to August 3rd…….it is *EXACTLY 40 days!!!!!*
Let me see if I have this straight. During pre-rapture days, believers suddenly get really good at math? Is that the deal? F–kin’ cool.
Sean is showing off his verb vocab, nyah, nyah, nyah.
21 July 2006, on 12:21 am
Sean-
He/she is excited because of the biblical significance of a 40-day period, extrapolating that 40 days from the death of the first Israeli soldier lands right on a semi-major Jewish holiday. It’s in anticipation of something happening on Aug. 3, I guess. Capische?
21 July 2006, on 12:22 am
kidkawartha… Thanks for the link.
Here is what not to do on Aug. 3rd.
There are six main prohibitions:
Not wearing leather shoes.
Abstaining from all food and drink (unless this would be life-threatening)
Abstaining from washing or bathing of any kind. Some authorities state that washing solely for the sake of hygiene is acceptable.
Abstaining from applying creams or oils. Skin creams, deoderants and makeup are included in this prohibition.
Abstaining from sexual relations, hugging, kissing and all other forms of physical affection.
Abstaining from studying Torah, though reading Lamentations, Job, some sections of Jeremiah and sections of the Talmud that deal with the laws of mourning is allowed.[2]
Although the fast ends at nightfall, eating meat and drinking wine are prohibited until noon of the following day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B%27Av
21 July 2006, on 12:31 am
Oh when the hate comes marching in
Oh when the hate comes marching iinnnnnn.
We’ll be standin in a nuked out basement
Oh when the hate comes marching in.
Don’t these fucks ever give up
http://borndifferent.org/home.html
Dogs that Moo. From Dobson I think.
21 July 2006, on 1:13 am
“Abstaining from sexual relations, hugging, kissing and all other forms of physical affection.”
Someone needs to tell Joe Lieberman to ditch his Florsheims and stay the hell away from Dubya Aug.3. You know how George is when Joe’s got that unbathed funk going.
21 July 2006, on 1:54 am
Jimmer: the video at that site is awesome. When the guy with the mic starts asking people when they chose to be straight, they have this amazing epiphany. Very cool.
21 July 2006, on 2:00 am
catherine says:
Let me see if I have this straight. During pre-rapture days, believers suddenly get really good at math? Is that the deal? F–kin’ cool.
Not only that, but they start to care about Jewish holidays, it seems.
Sean is showing off his verb vocab, nyah, nyah, nyah.
Me talk pretty one day.
21 July 2006, on 2:46 am
Well, well. Talk about silver linings. It looks like so many people have blogged about this offensive shit on the Rapture Ready/End Times Chat bulletin board that the sheer volume of traffic has shut it the fuck down. At least that’s my guess. As of this writing, the site is not accessible. Hallelujah!
21 July 2006, on 7:21 am
… there’s a bulletin board full of these people?
I’ll never again complain about living in a historically boring country. I can’t comprehend these people.
I have (completely as an amateur) written fiction, counselled people, read (or re-read) an average of a book a week for most of my post-pubescent life. I’ve studied physics, engineering and information technology. I have at least minimal command of three languages and have two historical heritages. I was always proud of being able to understand another person’s view.
There is no way other than the purely abstract in which I can comprehend any of this. And for that matter, even that requires continual focus. I can’t actually convince myself that any such worldview could actually be held by a living being.
This is from the same species that produced Carl Sagan?
I’m still waiting for Sean, Dog, RB, Eve, Audrey, Catherine, Jimmer and others to jump up and post “ha! April Fools, y’all”.
I’ve spent the last week and a half sick, first with the flu and then gastroenteritis; the doctor has ordered that I consume nothing but water for 48 hours.
I know for a fact I’m not, but I’m hoping like hell this is a hallucination. If people like this truly exist, then the last six thousand years have been a waste and we don’t have a civilisation… and any hope of a global civilisation has to be no less than another thousand years away.
You (no, not you guys, you know who I mean) people are freaking me out here. You really are. I’m gonna go crawl back in a hole. Pardon me. I don’t have anything more relevant to say here. Please pardon my outburst.
21 July 2006, on 8:18 am
Sean,
David Sedaris would be proud.
21 July 2006, on 8:50 am
What’s the difference between rapture-enthralled xians, and pervs who jerk off watching snuff films?
No, seriously… what’s the fucking difference.
Sadly, the only difference is that snuff films are mythical.
Oh, and the christians don’t need KY. They get off on KIAs instead.
21 July 2006, on 9:19 am
# Audrey Says:
July 20th, 2006 at 8:34 pm e
What’s the difference between rapture-enthralled xians, and pervs who jerk off watching snuff films?
No, seriously… what’s the fucking difference.
None, Audrey. None.
21 July 2006, on 9:30 am
Snuff films may be mythical, but you know there are people who jerk off to rotten.com (not work safe!)
21 July 2006, on 10:23 am
I am too angry/depressed to add anything substantial to this debate, except to add that the pre-rapture euphoria seems to have spread to the right wing punditry. A lot of them are trying to talk this up as “WW III.”
21 July 2006, on 2:50 pm
duquesne_pdx: Thanks for the awesome Tool quote. We will defeat them. Their fear-mongering is an already-collapsing house of cards. Yes, as has been pointed out, Rove’s diabolical ability to turn people’s assets into liabilities is a force to be reckoned with. But the truth can pound even complex lies into the dirt, if you have the means of getting it out there. As far as I am concerned, this administration was never legitimately elected, which explains a lot of why they are grasping at straws now.
The stakes are so high. I will vote Democrat in November across the board. And then I will hammer their party to give me a good alternative for ‘08.. That’s my whole plan. Take back Congress in ‘06, then tell these lifers that I want a real fuckin’ plan for ‘08, and I want it now.
21 July 2006, on 3:44 pm
Two words: DRAFT GORE!
21 July 2006, on 8:23 pm
For as long as I have been aware of the world around me, fanatics have been preparing for the “end of times” and every time there has been increased conflict in the middle east these fantatics get all in a tizzy and start screaming about the “second coming” being imminent. Edward T.Babinski’s End Times Prophecies has some great old photos of people waiting for Jeebus back in the 1940s (along with a great article). As Babinski repeatedly states, “Jesus is not coming back.”
Edward T. Babinski is a Former Fundamentalist, author/editor of Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists and also a contributor to Debunking Christianity
21 July 2006, on 11:44 pm
Troff (and all)
I’m like you man. I don’t know whether to laugh or hide when I hear and read about these folks. The only good thing that can come from this madness is that they will be exposed for their obvious misunderstanding of words written by a man having serious hallucinations 2000 years ago. HAA can you befuckinlieve it?
It is unfortunate that so many people are dying and others lives are being stomped. The rapture ready crowd are doing exactly nothing, zero, to stop or intervene in this nastiness.
And here I thought they were the killin is killin crowd.
22 July 2006, on 8:59 am
I am excited beyond words that the struggle of this life may be over soon and I can finally be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
I found this particular quote to be quite interesting…
22 July 2006, on 8:14 pm
I’m a Christian, more and more of the universalist variety. This quote is bothersome:
‘Do you think children of around say 7 or 8 (but before the age of accountability) that have been indoctrinated up until that time by their parents religious beliefs will be raptured?’
There is no age of accountability. It’s made up. Not even in the bible. Church couldn’t bear the babies suffering so created this fictional idea. Like magically at 13 or something ones judgement about eternal beings is better than at 12 or for that matter 100.
But whats interesting is this woman is thinking as a caring individual but the mumbo-jumbo has prevented her from seeing what she should be seeing in her own religion.
23 July 2006, on 6:50 pm
5 Audrey
More to the point, what’s the difference between these guys and the ones who dance in the streets and hand out candy after some splodeydope sets himself off in a club or restauraunt?
23 July 2006, on 7:31 pm
“More to the point, what’s the difference between these guys and the ones who dance in the streets and hand out candy after some splodeydope sets himself off in a club or restauraunt?”
Actually, the only things that separate the rapturists not from the candy folks but from the human bombs themselves are poverty and the sheer geographical luck of their birth. Poverty because it exacerbates wingnuttery and intensifies it’s expression. Luck because their brand of monotheism happens to hold relative sway where they leave. One is just the logical extension of the other. The foundations are the same.
24 July 2006, on 2:39 am
What if their beliefs are correct and yours are wrong ? Are you truly willing to commit your soul to hell? Some of you would be screaming bloody Mary if you stabbed your toe. Now imagine and eternity in a not so nice place for all eternity, with the knowledge dangling over you that you could have been somewhere else a trillion and one times better than where you are now. If you only believed.
If they are correct then you would have committed a type one error in statistics. However if you believed what they do and happen to be wrong then you would have committed a type two error. No Skin off your nose.
In case you do not know what a type one error and a type two error are: Type one is really bad it’s like throwing away a winning lottery ticket ( Darn I wish I wouldn’t have done that could have been a millionaire now.Well in your case it would be Drats I wish I would have believed would have been enjoying heaven instead of frying). Type two not so bad. It’s like keeping a losing lottery ticket.
24 July 2006, on 5:53 am
The people during the time of Noah did the same and they even called Noah crazy.
But there is hope; we know deep within us that we are created beings and that God created us we cannot deny that and those people denying the existence of God are just fooling themselves. There is a God and He send His only Son so we might be free from the penalty of our wickedness and sin which is the death eternal separation from God.
Just believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. He is not asking anything from you, what He is telling you is for your own not for Him because He is the King of all in heaven and on earth and He is the source of Life. Would that make you less human if you believe?
24 July 2006, on 10:46 am
[...] And they say we’re nihilists. Why do they want to trash it all as soon as possible? They’re like the fringe lunatics creaming their pants over the Mideast violence. They all have their own whacky ideas of what is to come. But what is fueling this? We had our 2000. Nothing happened. We had our 6/6/06. Nothing happened. The Mayan calendar will come along in 2012 and nothing will happen again. [...]
24 July 2006, on 11:47 am
You decieve yourselves ind enying the truth and here are to verses to prove that God knew about you since the foundation of the world
2nd Peter 3-5
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation,
Repent and confess Christ as Lord or share the fate of the unbeliever
Revelations 21:8 “but the cowardly, unbelieving abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death”
If you want to be saved you can avoid this fate simply confess with your mouth Jesus Christ is Lord ask him to forgive you of your sins and fill you with the Holy Spirit and you will be saved. May you see the light…
24 July 2006, on 12:17 pm
John, Jessie, and Ivie, I’ve read your bibble-probably more than you. Jesus was a good dude and if you supposed christians actually lived by his teachings- you know, loving your neighbor, clothing the naked, healing the sick, visiting the imprisoned, feeding the hungry, um, judging not, turning the other cheek, etc., I wouldn’t mind you nearly so much. Come back when you have something beyond the circular reasoning of “the bibble tells me so” for proving your gawd’s existence. Otherwise, read the “on commenting” page and, then, fuck off!
24 July 2006, on 12:41 pm
Oh, and Jessie,
The tale of Noah’s flood is but a retelling of Gilgamesh’s Great Flood, which is, itself, the story of the swelling Mediterranean overwhelming the isthmus at Bosporus and raising Black Sea levels by 300-500 feet in a short time. This actual flood, documented geologically and archaeologically as occurring roughly 10,000 years ago, was the basis for the oral storytelling recorded for posterity by the author of “The Epic of Gilgamesh.”
The notion of a boat, big enough to house two- to seven- of every animal on earth and forty days worth of food for them, built by one man out of relatively scarce gopherwood is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard and anyone who takes it seriously ought not be allowed to operate heavy machinery, ever.
24 July 2006, on 12:51 pm
Revelations 21:8 “but the cowardly, unbelieving abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death”
Hey, now, this is interesting…
Does “unbelieving abominable” above mean:
(1) “those who happen to be both unbelieving and abominable,”
or
(2) “those who are abominable because they are unbelieving”?
The phrasing is unclear. It’s like when someone says “xian assholes” — i.e., she could mean “only those who happen to be both xians and assholes” (i.e., not all xians), or “those who are assholes because they’re xian” (i.e., all xians).
I’m sure this divine ambiguity is connected in the end to my having faith…or something. I mean, cuz I’m not a coward, I don’t murder, I’m not a sorcerer, idolater, or liar — but I could easily imagine unbelievers doing stuff like this, i.e., stuff that would qualify as really nasty things.
But what if I’m just a plain, ordinary unbeliever?
And, more important, how full of yourself would you have to be in order eternally punish someone who didn’t believe in you?
24 July 2006, on 1:11 pm
Now imagine and eternity in a not so nice place for all eternity, with the knowledge dangling over you that you could have been somewhere else a trillion and one times better than where you are now. If you only believed.
To John, Jessie, and Ivie,
(There are those loving xian THREATS again.) What kind of extra prizes do you get in your heaven for hounding the most people, or getting people to convert? A celestial chariot? A trip for two around the galaxy? Your own silver-lined cloud and gold-plated harp? Do you get special awards for being the most obnoxious, condescending and judgemental?
Religions are delusions that one convinces themselves is real because the believer WANTS it to be true. It makes you feel important to be doing “work” for your invisible sky daddy who does NOTHING for you. Nothing happens unless PEOPLE make it happen.
Delusion: something that is believed to be true or real but that is actually false or unreal. DELUSION implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind . ILLUSION implies a false ascribing of reality based on what one sees or imagines . HALLUCINATION implies impressions that are the product of disordered senses, as because of mental illness or drugs . MIRAGE in its extended sense applies to an illusory vision, dream, hope, or aim
24 July 2006, on 5:01 pm
And, more important, how full of yourself would you have to be in order eternally punish someone who didn’t believe in you?
Go, Bob!
24 July 2006, on 5:04 pm
Raindogzilla Says:
“More to the point, what’s the difference between these guys and the ones who dance in the streets and hand out candy after some splodeydope sets himself off in a club or restauraunt?”
Actually, the only things that separate the rapturists not from the candy folks but from the human bombs themselves are poverty and the sheer geographical luck of their birth. Poverty because it exacerbates wingnuttery and intensifies it’s expression. Luck because their brand of monotheism happens to hold relative sway where they live. One is just the logical extension of the other. The foundations are the same.
Thank you, RDZ. I have been trying to articulate exactly that for quite some time.
24 July 2006, on 5:21 pm
Ivie’s doomed, brief, pathetic foray into the land of reason:
“In case you do not know what a type one error and a type two error are: Type one is really bad it’s like throwing away a winning lottery ticket ( Darn I wish I wouldn’t have done that could have been a millionaire now.Well in your case it would be Drats I wish I would have believed would have been enjoying heaven instead of frying). Type two not so bad. It’s like keeping a losing lottery ticket.”
Why don’t you try extrapolating that reasoning of pascals wager to include every religion on the planet and see where it gets you? Because if you hedge the christian god, you piss of the muslim god, the hindi god, the swambi god, the falopian god, … ad nauseum. You’re type II error ain’t lookin so great now is it? So let’s see, which god do I believe in again? OH! but oh yeah…yours is the one true god, right? Rigorously substantiated by your thorough knowledge of hypothesis testing.
Why don’t you go read up on utility theory and try that again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_theory
Better yet, why don’t you just declare your “faith” in Jesus and give up the feeble attempts at reason altogether.
24 July 2006, on 8:21 pm
Yes God is a loving God and He loves the sinner not the sin but he is also a perfect righteous God that will punish the wicked and those who have denied his Gift of salvation through the sacrfice of His only son Jesus whom the world had ridiculed and yet died to save all of us yet you all scoff, butbehold the scriptures justify my words
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
24 July 2006, on 8:27 pm
You can say what you like about those who believe in the “rapture” ie born again christians, but your seriouly lacking in information and knowledge of the whole concept of ‘the last days”. You have taken out of context the excitement we christians feel about this horrible, wonderful time in history. Youve taken one piece of the puzzle and decided that the whole puzzle is wrong, but you have no idea what it is. Christians are not celebrating the evils that are taking place, they are celebrating the fact that we are watching prophecies unfolding before our very lives, prophecies written thousands of years ago.we are promised,by Jesus, that we will live in a place of complete joy without violence or sadness, we believe this time is very near. would you not also be looking forward to an end of this pathetic world. If you believed it you most likely would. We know something awesome is just around the corner, this isnt as crass as you want to think, wierd but not crass. Hope you find peace thru our Savior Jesus christ.
The moment I see prophecies (i will spell it howver i want, and don’t say i am ignorant becasuuse i am not!) The moment the prophecies is close, I want to knock on my neibors door and tell her how much i have wanted to slurp her beautiful meat pie all these years. This womans has GAMS. I mean, legs to wrap around your neck and strangle you. And tits to put a pro wrestler in thes hospital. When she goes braless they are still coming at you like they wanna go 10 rounds with a speed bag.
Speaking o0f which. Bag of speed? I’d do you for a bag of speed. Sorry, my pussy is itching. I will be right back. Has anyone seen my buttplug? I’m starting to leak.
24 July 2006, on 8:28 pm
John, I specifically asked you not to come around until you had some “actual” proof of your imaginary friend’s existence- and not the children’s amusement park loop-de-loop variety that you’ve just dumped on our doorstep like an idiot cat with a dead rodent. Based on there being no actual meat to your contributions, I’d have to say, “SPAM!“
24 July 2006, on 8:28 pm
Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven draws near, believe lies and you shall perish in the 2nd death but for those who fear God and love God and obey his word, those who call on Him in the name of his Beloved son Jesus confess thier sins to him and ask for the Holy spirit will be saved.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast
24 July 2006, on 8:36 pm
Proof hah, just because it cannot be wieghed and measured does not mean its not thier, imperfect science of man cannot ever prove God niether can it disprove Him, God reveals himself to those who seek Him, he does not have to prove himself to specks of dust that we are, furthermore it is not by logic we are saved it is by faith. So if you seek proof I have none, nor can I Conjure the God of the universe to prove himself to you, thats why Jesus said blessed are those who believe and yet do not see. Its like the matrix my friend your logic cant reason you out of it only Jesus, the world is the devils matrix, Jesus sets you free. Dont believe me? why wont you try it call on Him, believe a little, confess your sins to Jesus outloud, believe in your heart he rose from the dead and ask for the holy spirit, youll see the world changes.
When I speak to GOD, he forgives me for my confusion about i and e. But thatsss niether thier nore heirr. What is most important is how increedible my orgasms are when I have something fairly large and vibrating in my ass. I love you, asnd so does Jesus.
24 July 2006, on 8:48 pm
John, thank you very much for openly admitting that you have no scientific evidence for the existence of your god.
Since that is what I personally require in order to even consider engaging in any kind of thoughtful, reasoned exchange with those of your ilk, I now have absolutely no further interest in conversing with you.
Plus, since you’ve specifically broken our comment rule about positively no proselytizing, you have now officially declared open season on yourself – which may have been what you wanted, since you could then use our funning of you as proof of your being “persecuted” for your faith. Hence I won’t even bother to mock you.
By the way, you might want to stop using the King James Bible to witness with; it is *not* the most accurate version.
24 July 2006, on 9:16 pm
Well eve im sure your ready to accept the mark of the beast after all its already being implemented even now perhaps you should check out digital angel corporation and read about thier plans to chip everything, of course im sure you also welcome globalization and who knows what else, I just hope you have enough brains and logic to choose to die for Christ rather than live by accepting the mark on your forhead or on your forhand when the time comes, youve been witnessed on the day of judgement you will regret you didnt listen and denied the truth so sad tsk tsk..
24 July 2006, on 9:18 pm
Oh ya I have a verse for that too. You know how we fundies like to prove the infallible Word of God.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
24 July 2006, on 10:17 pm
My understanding of the Rapture and Armageddon is because of a Total And Complete Failure of all xians to abide by god’s covenant?
Bite me.
24 July 2006, on 10:35 pm
There are so many things wrong with these particular theists’ arguments that it’s making my head spin. First, Carolyn’s weak attempt to paint as positive the disgusting concept of the destruction of this wonderful, awe-inspiring, unique planet as a good thing. Then John, who in lieu of a truly individual, independent thought can only spew bible verses from one of the least reliable versions of that particular 2,000-year-old collection of writings, especially from a book many of his religion’s most influential leaders did not want included.
Raindogzilla, I predict you’re not going to see either one of them stepping up to the plate and presenting the proof you’ve requested.
24 July 2006, on 10:47 pm
OGSteve said:
Why don’t you try extrapolating that reasoning of pascals wager to include every religion on the planet and see where it gets you? Because if you hedge the christian god, you piss of the muslim god, the hindi god, the swambi god, the falopian god, … ad nauseum. You’re type II error ain’t lookin so great now is it? So let’s see, which god do I believe in again? OH! but oh yeah…yours is the one true god, right? Rigorously substantiated by your thorough knowledge of hypothesis testing.
Why don’t you go read up on utility theory and try that again.
Better yet, why don’t you just declare your “faith” in Jesus and give up the feeble attempts at reason altogether.
Go, Steve!
John: As Eve has pointed out, you have blatantly broken our anti- witnessing and proselytizing rules and are now completely fair game. Sorry, bud, but you and Hank’s ass ain’t welcome ’round here no more.
24 July 2006, on 11:03 pm
Ms. Theys,
“Christians are not celebrating the evils that are taking place, they are celebrating the fact that we are watching prophecies unfolding before our very lives, prophecies written thousands of years ago.we are promised,by Jesus, that we will live in a place of complete joy without violence or sadness, we believe this time is very near.”
And these prophecies unfolding are? Oh yeah, people dying, burned by white phosphorus, fingers too close to nuclear triggers. Every step of that victory dance you’re doing is on the grave of an innocent.
And Carolyn, there is no gawd, jeebus, even if he existed, has been dead for nigh on two thousand years, and nobody’s coming back for you, sugar. So, you better make that next payment on the doublewide.
24 July 2006, on 11:36 pm
Matthew 10:22
Mark 13:13
“All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved”.
Jesus
24 July 2006, on 11:44 pm
Jeebus Says:
Matthew 10:22
Mark 13:13
“All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved”.
Jesus
Are you “firm” for Jeebus, Jeebus? If so, go fuck yourself.
25 July 2006, on 12:03 am
“I am willing that none should perish but that all should be saved”
Jesus
25 July 2006, on 12:20 am
“Doobie, doobie- do”
Frank Sinatra
25 July 2006, on 12:26 am
Sean
Hanks ass. Good one.
25 July 2006, on 12:31 am
It would be nice to see why you are so vehemently against Christ. Is it because His existence and subsequent death can be proved? Is it the over 500 people who saw Him after He magically came back to life? Historical facts prove His existence and witnesses, and I dare say witnesses of minds like your own, saw Him after His death with wounds to His body. Oh, that is right, I am drinking the “crusader juice” and just blindly believe that which I have not thought or researched. I once was like you all as well, spitting empty words with nothing to back them up. Let’s face it, you have nothing to prove your points. You have only the fact that you have not seen with your own eyes or heard with your own ears. Let me pose this to you, have you ever seen the wind? Pretty isn’t it? No, you have not seen the wind but it is there. If you search then you shall find.
“I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the Father except by me”
John 3:16
“Blessed is the one who hears the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near”.
Revelation 1:3
How can a bunch of letters formed into the Bible be 100% accurate in prophecy? Could it be they were divinely written? Or do you believe your fictional book the “Da Vinci Code”?
“Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, He gave them over to a reprobate (depraved) mind, to do what ought not be done”.
Romans 1:28
25 July 2006, on 1:18 am
With all those wonderful 100 % accurate prohphesies. I am wondering why there are no scientific prophesies? Like A model of DNA, or the atomic structure of carbon, or the prediction that diseases like polio would be beaten, or just one calculus equation? Now that would be something. Oh, and jeebus please quit talking to people your making them sound like they’re crazy.
25 July 2006, on 1:45 am
How can a bunch of letters formed into the Bible be 100% accurate in prophecy? Could it be they were divinely written? Or do you believe your fictional book the “Da Vinci Code”?
First off, how is the babble 100% accurate? Secondly, we’re all samrt enough to realize that The DaVinci Code is a work of fiction. None of us, I can reasonably assert, take it as fact. In order to take it as fact, we’d have to believe there was a Jizzus, which I believe none of us do.
25 July 2006, on 5:33 am
It would be nice to see why you are so vehemently against Christ. Is it because His existence and subsequent death can be proved? Is it the over 500 people who saw Him after He magically came back to life?
Can the plaintiff please produce these 500 eyewitnesses? Counsel for the prosecution: please remember that eyewitness testimony is considered the least reliable information in courtroom proceedings.
What? Counsel, please approach the bench. You’re saying all of these people are dead? Dead for 2,000 years? What are their names? You only know some of them? What are those names? You only know their first names? Counsel, you are dangerously close to being in contempt of this court.
Historical facts prove His existence and witnesses, and I dare say witnesses of minds like your own, saw Him after His death with wounds to His body.
All right, counsel. But you are trying my patience. We’ll see these new witnesses. You what? You don’t? They have been dead for 2,000 years, too? And you only have first names for them, also? Okay, I’ve heard about enough of this…
I once was like you all as well, spitting empty words with nothing to back them up.
Mister, I know you didn’t just say that to a judge. You do realize that the burden of proof is on you.
Let’s face it, you have nothing to prove your points. You have only the fact that you have not seen with your own eyes or heard with your own ears . Let me pose this to you, have you ever seen the wind? Pretty isn’t it? No, you have not seen the wind but it is there. If you search then you shall find.
(Sean is laughing so hard now that he slips out of his brief Buford. T. Justice judge character and back into being just plain old Sean the Warlock.)
Jeebus, I am only arguing with you because you call yourself Jeebus. That way I can say things like: What the fuck you talkin’ ’bout, Jeebus?
Do you really think that your “deep thoughts” are even moderately original? Do you really presume that those on an atheist web site that has been online for 3.5 years haven’t seen every rainbow color of the bile you are spewing?
“Oh, like, do you believe in the wind? Do you believe in love? You can’t see them but you know they are real, right? Right? Right??”
What is this, the elementary school playground?
Yes, I do believe in the wind. And I have also seen, heard and felt it. Take a look, meathead. I bet you’d say you’d seen the wind after that shit chased you half a mile down a country road.
Can you hear that sound? It’s the wind between your winged-out ears.
25 July 2006, on 9:05 am
Dear Jeebus,
Let’s say, just for shits and grins, that you could produce 5 of those 500 witnesses to the res-erection. Let’s say that we’ve put them up on the stand and you’ve led them, without any objection from me, through their “eyewitness” accounts of this feat. Let’s say I ask them about disease- where does it come from?, or geography, what shape is the earth, roughly? Then, let’s say I ask them to read a little bit of the torah for me. In case you’re not keeping track, their answers thus far have been; “demons”, “flat like pita bread”, and “sorry, I can’t read”. Excellent witnesses, Jeebus, credulous, ignorant illiterates.
25 July 2006, on 10:04 am
Then, let’s say I ask them to read a little bit of the torah for me. In case you’re not keeping track, their answers thus far have been; “demons”, “flat like pita bread”, and “sorry, I can’t read”. Excellent witnesses, Jeebus, credulous, ignorant illiterates.
Ha, RDZ! Brilliant!
25 July 2006, on 11:46 am
You’ll soon have your proof, when all of the elect are raptured and your left behind to experience the wrath of the antichrist and the tribulation judgements, however I suspect even when we do disapear you will all try to find a logical explaination like little green aliens from the moon used thier inifinite science technology to spirit us away. In those times that are coming people will hate Jesus so much they will behead any believers of Jesus and his word but those who die for Christ will find eternal life but fools such as yourselvs that think are wise will accept the mark of the beast and then your fate will be sealed, destined to be hurled from the white throne of judgment after the 1000 reign of Christ to the eternal fires of hell where the worm does not die and lakes of sulfer will keep you nice and warm, and the best part its an eternal separation from God just like athiests want in darkness and torment forever. God doesnt want this for mankind, he made hell for lucifer but if you follow lucifer and believe his lies then you will share his fate. God is a loving God but he is a righteous God to and he will punish the wicked> you only hope is to accept Jesus repent before its to late
25 July 2006, on 12:17 pm
OK, just got a new one for the next “Crazy Fundies!” post:
“…your fate will be sealed, destined to be hurled from the white throne of judgment after the 1000 reign of Christ to the eternal fires of hell where the worm does not die and lakes of sulfer will keep you nice and warm…”
It’s long, I know, but I can’t figure out which is the best part; “where the worm does not die,” maybe?
Oh, and John? “Lucifer” as the name of the ex-angelic devil when he was kicked out of heaven isn’t really in the bible; it’s a mistranslation, one of many in the King James, which is why it’s not the most accurate version.
25 July 2006, on 12:18 pm
ROTFLMAO
The first of science fiction writing and you believe it is real.The god you people believe in is a lie. How can a god who created all of the universe create even one human who is evil unless he himself allows it? And if he allows it why then would he punish the very thing he creates?
Your god is a fantasy. You can count me out please. Also if you believe that you will be lifted up into the sky and literally believe it to be tue. Then I suggest you go and explain that to a DR. of medicine. You need help. Fortunately for you many scientists have been diligently working on the problem o mental illness and have some very helpful therapies for people like yourselves. In fact it is known that when a person who hears god’s voice is placed on medication the voice goes away.
Stop ruinning our world. We like it better without god and your pathetic values of righteous punishment. You’re welcome to join the real world anytime you choose. We’ll be waiting for you. I’d say we’ll leave the light on but we Atheists can see in the dark. It is afterall how we found our way out o the lies and into the truth.
25 July 2006, on 12:23 pm
John – your religion is something that I find disgusting and hateful. People who think like you do are dangerous and the reason why there is so much turmoil and violence on this planet. Yours is a religion of violence, based on violence and you love the violence. It makes me sick. You are severly brainwashed into thinking you are a bad person, so it is no surprise that you think this way and believe that your violent mythology is true.
25 July 2006, on 12:39 pm
Let me explain the plan so even all of you can understand. In the beggining before the creation of the world was a earth and a Heaven, lucifer the morning star was the most beautiful and high ranking of the angels, the 5th Cherubim who led the service of worship, his voice like a pipeorgan like the sound of many waters. He was so beautiful he became pridful and wanted not to be like God in perfection but actually be God, But he was cast out of heaven for this transgression the world which was given to him was judged and put into darkness and his sin, the first sin, tainted the temple in heaven, Then God said let thier be light and he recreated the world and planted a garden which he placed Adam and eve, now recall that the first sin was lucifers not mans he rebelled and so tainted the spirtual temple in heaven, there was no blood to clean the temple. Lucifer saw his chance to claim our inheritance the new earth, he decieved Adam and eve causing them to sin which introduced death into the world making them unfit to recieve God blessing. You see their are three parts to the human as with the holy trinity, thier is the mind the body and spirit, when Adam sinned death entered his spirit this is why when we die we are destined to go to hell. But behold God did not destroy Adam instead he created a new man from his own seed born from the untainted seed of a virgin woman we know as Mary( becuase the seed of man was bruised by sin thanks to lucifer), His name was Jesus and he was God in the flesh, and so God died for us, decended into hades and conquered death and rose with his sinless perfect blood and cleasend the temple in heaven. So you see Jesus was God in flesh and he died to save us all. Why did God allow all of this? Simply becuase he loved lucifer enough to allow him free will and he chose to sin and becuase of his sins we are suffering now. its not Gods fault its lucifers, God simply allowed him to excercise his free will and sadly lucifers sins effected us.
25 July 2006, on 12:48 pm
Let me explain the plan so even all of you can understand.
John – Most of us here were at one time or another xians of various denominations and backgrounds.
There are a large number of xians who do not believe what you believe and many even think you are nuts. You xians cannot even come to an agreement about what your gawd’s message is, so how can you be so sure that YOUR version is correct? YOU ARE BRAINWASHED. Plain and simple.
25 July 2006, on 1:00 pm
Becuase I met lucifer before I was saved, he actually saught me out (not to brag, he had plans for me), I was once into darkest of things, I lit black candles in his name and even invited him into my life and I was at the point of no return and then thats when one day two christians came to me and told me the truth that I never heard before, You see the reason I started down the path of a satanist was that I never heard of Jesus I was taught all my life that you could be saved by bieng a good boy or by your own works, in my church the name of Jesus was hardly mentioned, it was that feel good religion dead like catholicism I was part of the WOF and i left it intent of selling my soul to the devil becuase the christianity I heard of was false and i figured the devil could give be more help. You see satanists worship knowledge, if you ask them if they worship satan they will say know but thats not the right question. They dont believe in an advesary they believe in lucifer as the orginal morning star. The reason i know my little story is true is because ive been to the other side alrdy and ironically everything fits liek a jigsaw puzzle. Sometimes you can see the truth by seeing the untruth. I didnt deserve to be saved but becuase I had not heard the truth before God showed me and im forgiven now and i will never have regrets ive found the truth.
25 July 2006, on 1:09 pm
youll find that athiest and satanists have alot in common they both hold on to the same philosophies and worship the intellectuals and hold reason and knowledge above everything, there just one problem truth is not neutral, it first begins it knowledge of Gods word, but knowing verses means nothing if you do not have understanding which only comes from the Holy Spirit, once knowledge and understanding are combined it produces wisdom by action and after a chirstian has acted upon the wisdom they arrive to the truth, God living word is the truth and is inffallible. sadly most people never get past the knowledge part, instead they twist verses for their evil agendas
25 July 2006, on 1:28 pm
John
Dude
Do not hestitate another day. Get help, It is available. Tell a real medical DR. your story just like you told us. There is no evil agenda unless you consider the current Bush admin evil in it’s war activities. Then you get my agreement.
If you really believe you have seen the devil/Lucifer then you have had a break with reality. The devil does not exist. Only in your head, and it can be fixed.
Satanists and Atheists are not alike. We do not worship. We accept life on lifes terms and endeavor to make life better and in some small way we succeed.
25 July 2006, on 1:28 pm
“Becuase I met lucifer before I was saved, he actually saught me out (not to brag, he had plans for me).”
Actually, Lucifer told me he was just fuckin’ with ya, John.
“youll find that athiest and satanists have alot in common they both hold on to the same philosophies and worship the intellectuals and hold reason and knowledge above everything, there just one problem truth is not neutral, it first begins it knowledge of Gods word, but knowing verses means nothing if you do not have understanding which only comes from the Holy Spirit, once knowledge and understanding are combined it produces wisdom by action and after a chirstian has acted upon the wisdom they arrive to the truth, God living word is the truth and is inffallible. sadly most people never get past the knowledge part, instead they twist verses for their evil agendas”
He’s abandoned sentence structure, y’all. He needs thorazine, STAT! Or I do for actually listening to him.
25 July 2006, on 1:32 pm
RDZ
You go.LOL:)
25 July 2006, on 1:45 pm
Sure rain, doubt you know anything about him, your the pawn becuase you dont even believe lucifer exists, you cant see the way he works because your blind and just cattle to him, I was going to be part of his world order, he promised me power and gave me visions, I was to create the ultimate church one ready for his return I even had a pet goat called dorthy and I would lead the masses to worship it and I was to instruct them in conjuring demon familiars into thier bodies so they could be mercilessly spritually puppeted, oh yes I had alot of dark ambitions , I suppose looking back,n man that was tempting offer, I could have filled the postition very nicely, but Jesus offers much more, he is much richer than the devil. anyways I dont want to dwell on it anymore I would have been cattle too in the end everyone will accept his mark those who do not accept Jesus.
25 July 2006, on 1:51 pm
John: For repeated violations of our comments policy, I just banned your ass, too.
Let’s get back to some intelligent conversation around here. Enough poking these pathetic trolls. (Although it was some brilliant poking!)
25 July 2006, on 1:54 pm
John,
“Becuase I met lucifer before I was saved”
He doesn’t exist- seek help.
“youll find that athiest and satanists have alot in common”
So nice to have you propagandizing, but this is patently absurd.
“I even had a pet goat called dorthy”
That’s cute, but not uncommon- even the president of the United States had a pet goat. *cough*
With your vibrant writing and utterly profound mastery of the language, I’m not surprised the xians wanted you.
25 July 2006, on 1:59 pm
Note: John is still banned… i just wanted to let this one last comment through to show how loving the Xian can be. He has damned us all to hell and is laughing at us from the “clouds.” What a limited perspective of the universe! You would think heaven would be at least as far away as the quasars.
No need to ban sean, im through preaching to the goats, youve been witnessed so see you in hell from those fluffy clouds in the sky.
Hbr 4:13
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
25 July 2006, on 2:07 pm
Damn I gotta go. And it is just getting interesting. I hope I don’t run into any goats.
25 July 2006, on 2:24 pm
your the pawn becuase you dont even believe lucifer exists, you cant see the way he works because your blind and just cattle to him
ummm just one more comment to Johnboy…seems you are talking about gawd believers in reference to cattle. Atheists are not the ones who herd themselves into churches once a week or more to be “programmed” with redundant rantings and chantings from some control freak in a pulpit who knows how to manipulate the ignorant.
(It seems as though the most brainwashed xians either had some previous weird-ass beliefs, or were gang-bangers or something.)
25 July 2006, on 2:53 pm
I will pray for the people here, it is unfortunate that the ones who bash Christianity obviously have a total lack of understanding of the Bible and our Faith [Ed. Note: BULLSHIT! Many here know more about your Babble than you do.] There is so much anger and hatred here, very disappointing to see human nature like this. The people on Rapture Ready are not condoning the war in the Middle East, what they are condoning and praising is that soon, there will be ever lasting peace on Earth with Jesus Christ. This means no more wars, no more killings, and no more of this hatred of your fellow human beings. Hopefully you will all see this before it’s too late. Now is the Rapture about to happen? I certainly do not know, the Bible says that only the Father knows when it will happen. The date setters are wrong when they claim they have the date, this just makes people who are not Christians say, “well they are wrong again”. Just look how some of the language on here that people are using and then calling Christians idiots, this does not help your cause. I find it funny how you find examples on the Rapture site that you can easily make fun of, why don’t you try to find examples of other postings on that site that explain our thoughts better? Christians are not perfect, no one is, only one person who has walked the Earth has been perfect and that person is Jesus Christ. All I am saying is do not disregard our Faith, look for Jesus in your life, He will take you in, and your Soul will have internal life, the road you are on now only leads to internal Hell.
God Bless you all!
25 July 2006, on 3:48 pm
*busily takes notes*
“I even had a pet goat called dorthy and I would lead the masses to worship it…”
“oh yes I had alot of dark ambitions…”
And oh, how the fire crackled!
25 July 2006, on 4:59 pm
Um, just a point of procedure but Satanists- who are a lot more fun than xians anyway, do not “worship” goats, nor do they name them- “Dorthy” or otherwise. They slaughter goats and/or little babies. Anton LaVey, even dead, would punk your ass, John. Bye-bye.
25 July 2006, on 5:01 pm
Greetings all.
I hereby apologize for the discomfort my fellow believers have visited upon you regarding our faith.
My personal feelings on the situation between believers and non or former believers is pretty much of the “Live and Let live” (or die) variety.
I fully understand the points of view related on this thread, and have been on that side of the spectrum before when I didn’t believe; so I’m pretty much tied. I agree quite a bit with a lot of what EVERYONE says.. To a point.
But I like to say, I agree to DISagree.
The only other comment I can say is that although my faith may seem like another delusion, I purposely chose this way of thinking and living because I honestly feel like it is the best way for my conscience to be satiated by my actions.
Different strokes/different folks, etc.
Anyhow I think I’m rambling a bit, sorry.
Thank you for your time and I apologize if my post is seen as proselytizing.
I WILL however PRAY for all of you, WITHOUT your permission, that whatever pain that Christians have caused you will be healed, and that you would go on and have blessed lives.
People say I’m strange..
Does it make me a stranger..
That my best friend was born in a manger?
Goodluck, Godbless, and Godspeed.
25 July 2006, on 5:26 pm
Cieje3,
“People say I’m strange..
Does it make me a stranger..
That my best friend was born in a manger?”
No, it takes you to the level of a five-year old- with an imaginary friend. Putting aside whether he existed at all, my friend, he has beem dead for, how you say, 1973 years? My best friend is a little more recent, a little better documented, and a whole lot more fun. The prophet Linus has told me of his greatness in a divine revelation laid upon Charles Schultz;
“People say I’m dumb..
Does it make me a bumpkin..
That my best friend is called “The Great Pumpkin?”
25 July 2006, on 7:59 pm
*still taking notes* John: “No need to ban sean, im through preaching to the goats, youve been witnessed so see you in hell from those fluffy clouds in the sky.”
Randy: Meh, he’s boring.
Cieje3, thank you very much for finally stepping up to the plate and admitting that religious faith is basically a delusion. That’s actually a big step forward for any theist in my book.
However, about prayer, if you really believe it works, then please don’t waste it on us, since we don’t need it; instead, pray for something truly planet-altering like saving the environment, ending disease, and bringing about world peace.
25 July 2006, on 9:28 pm
Saving the environment????
how bout the saving the deposit
look at you all, you have become a shell of your former apartments!!
These are the last dying days of this age. Let us take up arms and invade countries, kill their leaders and teh convert the people to Vitoism!
“When you hear of higher rents and rumours of fewer cable channels, do not be terrified, for these things must take place first, but the end is still to come. Leasors will rise against leasees, kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines and plagues and there will be dreadful portents and sighns from heaven.”
but amidst all this Vitoists should rejoice for the final showdown between tennant and landlord is coming. And we are destined to win. So REJOICE!!!!!
25 July 2006, on 10:17 pm
Will,
You are one sad, scary little man.
25 July 2006, on 10:41 pm
Marcus: I don’t even wanna know how much you funned that. My fear is that it wasn’t much.
Can someone explain to me why these fundies come in waves? We had a good little run there with lots of stimulating coversation, and now all this shite dragging us down. Herd behavior?
25 July 2006, on 11:18 pm
Sean,
Very sad, isn’t it? Re: funning
26 July 2006, on 12:13 am
Sometimes I try to imagine what these freaks look like, and how they speak. I can hardly get my brain around it. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to poke these trolls in real life. I’m not a violent man by any means, but I do wonder — at 6′6″ tall and nearly 300 pounds, would I eventually “poke” them with my fists?
26 July 2006, on 12:20 am
Anyone see the beginning of this Six Feet Under episode “In Case of Rapture”?
26 July 2006, on 12:26 am
that was hilarious, star!
26 July 2006, on 12:35 am
Sean – I posted it in the comments of your “And After This Commercial Break: The Apocalypse!” post, too. I kept thinking about that segment with all this talk about the Rapture Crapture and trusty YouTube had a clip of it.
26 July 2006, on 6:58 am
To Raingodzilla: Your best friend is an actual figment of one man’s imagination. Actually, a figment of a fictional character’s imagination. Interesting. (Oh yeah, Charles “Sparky” Schulz died a few years ago. Just in case you didn’t know.)
Lol.
I mean no disrespect. I truly found your reply funny.
To Eve: I meant no disrespect by what I posted on here, and despite my politeness it would SEEM that my post was disrespected by what you said. I clearly stated that my way of life and faith may SEEM like a delusion. I was NOT “Admitting” to any kind of mental deficiency. Calling my opinion a “step up” for a thiest would SEEM to be disrespectful. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I am sure you don’t need to be told that we believe that NO prayers are ever wasted, and also you don’t need to be reminded of the fact that I ALREADY did so; (prayed for you) as I stated I would in my first submission.
To Will: The gif of Jesus on the can is pretty funny, (As was your parody of the oliviet discourse) but I almost couldn’t tell what he was sitting on. Perhaps if you gave him jeans or shorts around his ankles it might be a bit easier? Maybe my eyes are a bit tired at the moment.. Nevermind. *Yawn*
To anyone still paying attention: I already stated that I agree(d) with a lot of what many of the people on this site have to say about and against religion. I have read many of the articles on this site (and others like it) and have laughed at much of the ludicrousity that the world of religion can produce. I hope that you will deem me respectful and interesting enough to continue to allow me to post again in the future.
FYI: The phrase below is simply my signature “farewell” message.
Goodluck, Godbless, and Godspeed.
26 July 2006, on 7:37 am
Cieje3 : You were indeed polite, and thank you for the kind words. If you read the thread above, I think you will see that you just had bad timing. We were in the middle of one of our periodic attack waves of Xian fundie loudmouths, so your kindness was overlookd a bit. They do come in waves: I think someone just links to us and starts screaming and the others follow. I’m glad you found the site fun to read. Please feel welcome to come again. We need more nice theists around these here parts.
26 July 2006, on 7:43 am
Oh, amd Cieje3: Just to clarify: the pooping Jesus was designed by our good Marcus. It is a signal that someone’s posting was so egregious and offensive that words had to be changed in order to make it amusing. That would be Will. Marcus “funned” his comment and add his pooping Jesus signature.
Again, you caught us at a bad time. The wagons were circled and all that. Come one back now, ya hear? We’re actually nice folks if you catch us when our armor ain’t up.
26 July 2006, on 8:43 am
Eve,
Boring huh, at least that’s a better comment then most got on this site! As of the comment that most people on here know the Bible more then I do, I seriously doubt that, even if it were true that in its self is very interesting. It is amazing how even Atheist still read the word, even if you do not agree with it. You read it to find faults; we read it to find the truth. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that is one of the great things of this country we live in. I just wonder why it has to resort to name calling and the rather immature attitude seen on this site. As for praying, I will still pray for you, and yes we do pray for other things in this world. God has the plan, we are along for the ride, all I ask is at least give God a chance, He has given you one.
26 July 2006, on 9:28 am
Oh, Randy. This site’s called “God Is for Suckers”. Most of us here, at one time or another, have looked into this gawd fellow of yours, found him first either lacking or asleep at the switch, and, then, taken the investigation further, outside the bounds of some imaginary deity’s jurisdiction. This is where we’re at. Gawd isn’t, period. Nothing, outside of bringing the Big Guy round to our houses for a little show and tell will change our minds.
The biggest question, now, is why are you here? Do vegans go to pig roasts? Yes, but only to try and make the pig eaters feel bad about their dinner. The fact that you’re here(here, where there is nothing for you but, perhaps, freedom from your gawd chains)with no possible reason other than to proselytize is an insult to us before you even drop one line of scribbleture on us, before you even open your mouth. This is our space and, until you come correct, you’re not welcome.
26 July 2006, on 9:30 am
Randy Says:
As of [sic... he means 'for'] the comment that most people on here know the Bible more then I do, I seriously doubt that,
Okay, Randy, you are on. Raise an issue of Biblical scholarship that we ignorant heathens could not possibly speak intelligently about. Go on. Let’s see how you hold up. Don’t go making ignorant statements about people you don’t know, son. You may end up eating your Xmas stocking.
We are waiting.
26 July 2006, on 9:54 am
Raindogzilla,
I am here because we should witness to unbelievers, if you do not want to listen, that is your choice. Sure I can go to Christian sites and witness, but they are believers (most are, not all people whom call themselves Christians are true Christians), you are not. If I am not welcome that is fine, I will not be back. You are welcome to any Christian site you find.
You say you found God (BTW why the GAWD thing, is it bad for you to type God for some reason?) lacking, may I ask why you found Him lacking, just wondering?
Have a good day
26 July 2006, on 10:06 am
BTW why the GAWD thing, is it bad for you to type God for some reason?
Randy…it is to show that we think your gawd is FICTICIOUS…a figment of human imagination. It is also to show that we are not afraid of being struck by a lightning bolt by an imaginary sky daddy.
I am here because we should witness to unbelievers,
Do you get some kind of bonus points for how many people you “witness” to? Do you get your own special silver-lined cloud? Do you get to be gawd’s special pet?
Also…why don’t you do as we have suggested before…all you xians get together and when you come to a consensus as to what message is the “true” message from your sky daddy, then maybe we can come back WITH EVIDENCE for the existence of your sky daddy…we might be able to debate. But right now, you all can’t even agree on your interpretations of your contradictory mythological Babble.
26 July 2006, on 10:12 am
RDZ says:
The biggest question, now, is why are you here? Do vegans go to pig roasts? Yes, but only to try and make the pig eaters feel bad about their dinner. The fact that you’re here(here, where there is nothing for you but, perhaps, freedom from your gawd chains)with no possible reason other than to proselytize is an insult to us before you even drop one line of scribbleture on us, before you even open your mouth. This is our space and, until you come correct, you’re not welcome.
I nominate RDZ as Bouncer of the Month!
Randy Says:
Raindogzilla,
I am here because we should witness to unbelievers, if you do not want to listen, that is your choice. Sure I can go to Christian sites and witness, but they are believers (most are, not all people whom call themselves Christians are true Christians), you are not. If I am not welcome that is fine, I will not be back. You are welcome to any Christian site you find.
You say you found God (BTW why the GAWD thing, is it bad for you to type God for some reason?) lacking, may I ask why you found Him lacking, just wondering?
Have a good day
Randy: A few things. We already have a nice, reasonable fella named “Randy!” here. So go away and come back with a better nick. Like ToiletBugForGod, maybe? If not, then just go away.
We type “gawd” because we have no respect for your Xian gawd. We know he is just one of millions of gawds and goddesses invented by humanity. Read a book on mythology, twit.
Lastly, we told you not to witness. Can you not read?
It is now open season on you.
26 July 2006, on 10:15 am
“Gawd” as a dig to folks like you and to make a cartoon of the whole concept- where it belongs. Your right to “witness” ends with my right not to be witnessed to. Let’s see, Rwanda, Auschwitz, Darfur, Ethiopia, starving, disease-ridden, innocent children, Bosnia/Kosovo, the idiocy of leaving three separate strains of monotheism to kill one another without the decency or, dare I say, “forethought” to let the multitudes in on the secret that they’re all kowtowing to the same phantom. I could go on, the ineptitude, if not outright malice, of your Great Pumpkin is legion. If I’m a black African in Darfur, my “free” will to stay alive is not doing me much good, is it? Or if I’d happened to be from the wrong tribe in Rwanda, or a Muslim who dared exist in Serbia. Jeebus, do you really need more?
26 July 2006, on 10:22 am
RDZ: That rocked.
26 July 2006, on 10:27 am
Sean,
Not sure why you called me Son, but anyway, what Scripter would you like to debate? I can type in any you would like but I am sure you all will find some fault with it, your minds are very closed with this and I am not really sure why. BTW I did not make any ignorant statements; actually you all did when you claim you know more about the Bible then us. Again we read the word and digest it, we try to understand it, we study it, you read the word and instead of trusting, instead of trying to understand, you criticize. I do not understand everything in the Bible, but again I study it and ask questions. Yes, maybe I am on the wrong site trying to get through to you all, but I will continue to pray for all of you.
Have a good day.
26 July 2006, on 10:35 am
Randy: We work in a world of hypothesis, statement and evidence.
PROVE that we are more ignorant of scripture than you are.
Why should I debate with you when you don’t even know how to spell “Scripture”?
I called you “son” because you are an ignorant child.
And don’t pray for me, fuckwad. I don’t need your fucking prayers. Why don’t you do something useful and go adopt an unwanted baby instead?
26 July 2006, on 10:48 am
Sean,
God is not the one who makes people suffer, it is Satan. Give yourself to Jesus and you will be surprised on what you can do and how much more pleasant life will be. I know you will come back with some remark that will be very negative but thats OK, your choice. Still amazes me that some of you have to resort to name calling, whats that about, I have been very respectful here, is this how you treat other people in your lives? I sure hope not.
26 July 2006, on 10:53 am
“…I will continue to pray for all of you.”
I wonder if any theist will ever realize this is as insulting as it is condescending?
26 July 2006, on 10:55 am
Sean,
So you get me on spelling Scripture wrong, why don’t you go through the other post here from your fellow unbelievers and see how they write, lets see you bash them on that! I do not see that happening. I am going now, bash me as much as you like, seems like you have nothing better to do. There is no way I will debate you on this because all you do is resort to name calling and acting like a 2 year old instead of intelligently communicating with me in a mature manner. Goodbye all and God Bless
26 July 2006, on 10:56 am
your minds are very closed with this
Randy – your mind is very closed to reality and reason.
I do not understand everything in the Bible, but again I study it and ask questions.
If this book which you believe contains the “life or death” messages from your sky daddy, why did this gawd make it such a jumbled mess that requires LIFETIME study? Even after centuries upon centuries of “study” the various xian sects still cannot come to an agreement about meanings and interpretations. This is merely a book written by ancient superstitious humans who didn’t understand the world they lived in, and who were afraid because there are so many things we cannot control, and who are afraid to DIE and are WISHING to live forever instead of accepting death in a dignified manner.
26 July 2006, on 11:02 am
I am going now,
Once again, when challenged and they cannot answer serious questions and come up with evidence for claims, xians play the victim and run away in defeat.
There is no way I will debate you on this because all you do is resort to name calling and acting like a 2 year old instead of intelligently communicating with me in a mature manner
Lying once again…there is no way you will debate us Randy because you HAVE NO ANSWERS or evidence to support your gawd claims. So, like a 2 year old, you pout and sulk away leaving behind a return insult. Hypocrite.
And stop with the insincere God Bless bullshit. It’s something you are PROGRAMMED to say and we are sick of it.
26 July 2006, on 11:04 am
Awwww…. Randy stubby his wittle toe?
26 July 2006, on 11:08 am
Stardust,
What evidence do you want me to produce for you? I would be glad to debate anyone who speaks in a dignified manner.
26 July 2006, on 11:09 am
All,
I am leaving because I was told too, not because I can not back up my claims, read back a few post and see.
26 July 2006, on 11:13 am
What evidence do you want me to produce for you? I would be glad to debate anyone who speaks in a dignified manner.
Randy – You bring concrete EVIDENCE for the existence of this sky daddy besides your ancient book which was written by HUMANS, AND then get together with your fellow xians from the many, many xian sects who all believe themselves to be the TRUE XIANS and come to a consensus about what is the “ONE TRUE MESSAGE” of this sky daddy…then we can talk more.
26 July 2006, on 11:31 am
Stardust,
I have to agree that the many religions in the world, including the many Christian religions are very confusing. Seems like the Catholics do not agree with the Protestants, and the Methodist do not agree with the Pennacostal. I can see why this would make people think that this is a joke and not real, I certainly had my doubts. In the Bible it says that there will be many false prophets, many false religions, so how do you pick the correct one, seems like a lot of religious groups just skip over what they do not like in the Bible and just go by what makes sense to them, or what is easy for them, but in the Bible it is very clear on what God wants for us. I know what you are going to say, why and how can you “choose” a religion, should it not be an easy choice, just one religion? The Bible has been translated over the years and misinterpreted, many religions have gone their own way because of politics and the made up beliefs of man. Sure the Bible was written by man, but they were men of God, true prophets of God. How do I know that, it is because I believe, I have seen many miracles in my life that are unexplainable, even I was an unbeliever before, but these clear signs from God can not be ignored. I gave my life to Jesus and it has changed dramatically. I am pretty sure I will not get through to anyone here but my faith has made me a better person and I am not ashamed of that.
26 July 2006, on 11:57 am
I have seen many miracles in my life that are unexplainable
This is where you and I differ. When I witness something I cannot explain or find an immediate explanation for, I EXPLORE and don’t accept it as truth until evidence has been presented and proven. When religious folks can’t explain something, they immediately assign supernatural causes to it, which is really lazy. (I was a xian for more than 30 years, and at the university studied Bible as Literature in a Social Context, World Religions and World Mythologies, Philosophy, Social Anthropology, Sociology, Astronomy and minored in Psychology and Human Behavior…so don’t try to tell me what I do and don’t “understand”. That is quite insulting and annoying. The moderators and regular commentors on this blog are quite educated and well-informed about religion and many other subjects and current events.)
I certainly had my doubts. In the Bible it says that there will be many false prophets, many false religions, so how do you pick the correct one,
Xians choose the one that “floats their own boat” or are convinced by whatever “cult” appeals to their emotions.
If you have the perfect understanding of this message from your gawd, shouldn’t you be trying to convince your fellow xians? That debate amongst yourselves would go on for about 5 billion years when the hydrogen in the center of the Sun will start to run out and the helium will get squeezed, speeding up the hydrogen burning and our star will slowly puff into a red giant. It will eat all of the inner planets, even the Earth and we will all return to stardust in the vastness of the universe.
How do I know this? Scientific evidence from studying the nature of stars via telescope and photography.
26 July 2006, on 12:23 pm
Stardust,
I am actually a very scientific minded person myself; I too go back to my science knowledge and wonder about religion. Einstein himself proclaimed there must be a God. Top scientist in the world still can not explain a lot of events in the Earths history, including the Big Bang theory, even Stephan Hawkins mentioned there must be a greater being that created the universe. I also used to own a very good telescope; I loved to look at the beauty that God created.
I am not sure why you said “so don’t try to tell me what I do and don’t “understand”. That is quite insulting and annoying”, I never said that or even implied it, in reality it is what you are trying to do to me, telling me I do not understand. We both have our own beliefs, that is what makes us an individual. I would love to discuss more of the scientific world with you, even when it crosses the boundary of religion.
26 July 2006, on 12:24 pm
Randy sez
Sean,
So you get me on spelling Scripture wrong, why don’t you go through the other post here from your fellow unbelievers and see how they write, lets see you bash them on that! I do not see that happening. I am going now, bash me as much as you like, seems like you have nothing better to do. here is no way I will debate you on this because all you do is resort to name calling and acting like a 2 year old instead of intelligently communicating with me in a mature manner. Goodbye all and God Bless
The other “posts,” Randy. Plural.
“Let’s” needs an apostrophe.
“Two-year-old” or “2-year-old,” please.
“Goodbye all and God Bless.”
So long, Martyr Boy.
26 July 2006, on 12:30 pm
Okay. I am reaaaally sick of the latest infestation of fundies that has been dragging the comments down and uglifying our beautiful home. The exterminators are called in.
Randy, AKA Martyr Boy. You said you were leaving and then you didn’t. Well, you are gone now. Randy = Banned. Buh-bye! Kiss. Kiss.
26 July 2006, on 12:50 pm
Jason Stokes said: “An unfounded belief can best be defined as a belief about which it is maintained that verification or justification is not an issue, such things are criteria that should not be applied to it. Religion is the science of creating unfounded beliefs, making beliefs a matter of faith, superstition, sophistry, simple denial of facts and unreasoning emotion. Religion teaches that some things are true for no other reason than you want them to be true, or you’d like them to be true, or you feel them to be true.”
Albert Einstein never said there IS a gawd: “I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
Stephen Hawking: (Randy, I corrected the spelling of his name for you) didn’t say in fact that there IS a greater being that created the universe. Actually, Hawking states: “What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn’t prove that there is no God only that God is not necessary. [Stephen W. Hawking, Der Spiegel, 1989].”
Also, because some scientist may believe in a gawd, or consider that their “might” be a gawd doesn’t make it true that there IS a gawd and I do not know of a scientist who adamently and firmly professes that his gawd beliefs are proven fact.
26 July 2006, on 1:03 pm
Come on now, make up your minds. Sure you can ban me, is it because you are hearing the truth and it hurts or is it because you can only criticize my spelling and not my beliefs?
Randy – This is going to go nowhere but in circles with you. You are banned because you ignore our requests for evidence and a consensus of this evidence from a gathering of ALL the xian cults who also claim to speak the “truth”. Therefore, you are just here to antagonize and proselytize YOUR version of this “truth” (we know the trick of “only wanting to discuss things” and are weary of it.)
So, as Sean has declared…”you are gone now. Randy = Banned. Buh-bye!”
26 July 2006, on 1:22 pm
Sure you can ban me… is it because I make no sense or because you can criticize both my spellings and beliefs?
Both,
26 July 2006, on 2:48 pm
I thought this site was to make your point,
We are not trying to “make a point.” It’s a site for atheists to make fun of xians and to comment and rant about a variety of things:
Now put on your thinking cap, xian lurker Randy:
GifS is for Commentary, news, and rants on the evils and stupidity of belief in the big invisible daddy in the sky.
Illuminating and watchdogging the widespread attempts to institutionalize the theocratic rule of the United States.
Making fun of believers everywhere.
Bye Randy
26 July 2006, on 2:57 pm
EINSTEIN QUOTE
“It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. … Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
— Albert Einstein, Religion and Science, New York Times Magazine (9 November 1930); also used in the obituary in New York Times
(19 April 1955)
26 July 2006, on 3:10 pm
Einstein was an Honorary Associate of the Rationalist Press Association beginning in 1934, and was an admirer of Ethical Culture.[24] He served on the advisory board of the First Humanist Society of New York.[25][26]
In response to the telegrammed question of New York’s Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein in 1929: “Do you believe in God? Stop. Answer paid 50 words.” Einstein replied “I believe in Spinoza’s God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.” Note that Einstein replied in only 25 (German) words. Spinoza was a pantheist.
Albert Einstein quotes
“I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.”
“I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.”
“If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.”
26 July 2006, on 3:45 pm
“No matter where you go, there you are.” -Buckaroo Banzai
26 July 2006, on 3:56 pm
*cheerleader chant* Go, Stardust, go, Stardust, go go go Stardust!
26 July 2006, on 4:24 pm
“Everywhere I go, there’s always an asshole.” – McCoy
New Jersey: Why is there a watermelon there?
Reno: I’ll tell you later.
26 July 2006, on 4:27 pm
*cheerleader chant* Go, Stardust, go, Stardust, go go go Stardust!
Eve – I could have kept going and going with book references and all sorts of resources for li’l Randy, but it’s pointless if he will only cherry-pick details like xians do from their bibles. These people could look this up for themselves if they weren’t so brainwashed and academically lazy.
26 July 2006, on 5:14 pm
Salvation 101
As much as many of you enjoy keeping track of world wide current events and studying Bible prophecy, we must never take our focus from Jesus and His primary message…the free gift of eternal life He so freely offers. So, we’re getting back to the basics of salvation with this commentary/study and pray you will enjoy it.
The Bible tells us that everyone is a sinner:
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
You must realize that there is a punishment for sin:
“For the wages of sin is death…” (Romans 6:23a)
This does not mean only physical death, but also spiritual death:
“…fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28b)
Jesus died on the cross for your sins:
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8)
And then He rose from the dead, conquering death:
“Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly;” (Acts 10:40)
Because of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross, eternal life becomes a free gift from God:
“Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.” (Romans 5:18)
“…the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6:23b)
Just like any gift, it doesn’t become yours until you receive it. To receive God’s gift of eternal life, you must call on the name of the Lord:
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13)
Time is growing short, and you should not put off your decision. The Bible tells us:
“(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)” (2 Corinthians 6:2)
Jesus said He is the only way you can receive eternal life:
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)
The Bible says you must repent of your sins and receive Him as your Lord and Savior:
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;” (Acts 3:19)
If you don’t, you are already condemned for eternity:
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:18)
Accepting Him as your Lord and Savior will empower you to endure the trials and tribulations of everyday life until He comes for His own in the Rapture of the Church. Jesus freely offers you comfort and guidance through the Holy Spirit for your life today, and eternal salvation through Him for your life tomorrow…and forever.
To receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, simply do as the Bible tells us in Romans 10:9-10 above…believe in Him with your heart, and confess Him as Lord with your mouth. You can say this prayer or one similar for your confession:
Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner and need Your forgiveness. I believe that You died for my sins, and God raised You from the dead. I want to turn from my sins. I now invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as Lord and Savior. In Your name, amen.
But you may be thinking, there is no example in the Bible of a ’sinner’s prayer’. True, but we are told to “confess with our mouth” (Romans 10:9a) because the verbal confession produces salvation (Romans 10:10b). That’s why any verbal confession to Him is heard, and why I said above “or one similar”. But, heartfelt belief must also accompany the verbal confession (Romans 10:9b) because heartfelt belief produces righteousness (Romans 10:10a). Our outward confession is a product of our inward belief. One can use any prayer they want for their confession, I only offer an example. But if you don’t mean it with your heart, He knows.
Remember the thief on the cross? He simply confessed Him as Lord and asked the Lord to remember him when He came into His Kingdom (Luke 23:42). That was his verbal confession which the Lord knew he meant with his heart.
Time is growing short and the Lord Jesus Christ is gathering His Church in preparation to take them Home. If you’re not saved, please consider His offer with an open heart. If you are saved, praise God for it, and please share His offer with someone you love.
26 July 2006, on 5:29 pm
Another delusionist pooping up the queue with his version of gawd’s message:
“Jesus and His primary message…the free gift of eternal life He so freely offers…blah, blah, blah…yadda…yadda…yadda….You must realize that there is a punishment for sin: “For the wages of sin is death….yadda, yadda, yadda…oogie boogie…”
This one was about 16 paragraphs long and even included a pre-written assimilation “form prayer” with magic words for us to recite.
LRock — nice try. As Glinda the good witch says “You have no power here! Now begone, before somebody drops a house on you!”
26 July 2006, on 6:55 pm
[...] Psycho LRock Says: July 26th, 2006 at 5:14 pm EST [...]
26 July 2006, on 8:17 pm
And again with this “free gift” idea, Star! It’s not a free gift if you have to beg for it. A free gift is simply plopped in your hand, no conditions, nothing to be done in return. Ah, the power of brainwashing…
26 July 2006, on 8:19 pm
I will give a one-hundred dollar bill to anyone who can read the following Google articles and remain unmoved: “Pretrib Rapture Diehards” (newly found facts about the rapture’s short history), “Thomas Ice (Bloopers)” (the “great researcher” LaHaye, Falwell etc. depend on!), “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal” (illegal plagiarism in writings by Falwell, LaHaye, Ryrie, Tan etc.; and there’s similar plagiarism in the works of Ice, Jeremiah, C. C. Carlson, Lindsey, Missler, Van Impe etc.), “Letter from Mrs. Billy Graham,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” and “Open Letter to Todd Strandberg” (the “precursors” in his Rapture Index are on earth even AFTER his rapture and fulfilled DURING the tribulation and actually point to only the final Matt. 24 advent – so his “precursors” are totally misleading; and he also knows but won’t admit that NO organized group before 1830 ever held or taught a pretrib rapture, period!). It’s bad to be left behind – MENTALLY! Shared because I DO love you, Jon
26 July 2006, on 8:23 pm
How about we talk fundamentals…if given time, humans will eventually solve the world’s problems and find peace if religion would just get out of the way.
The answers to all the scientific questions would eventually be found from the earliest beginnings to the end of ends and everything in between. When we find and understand all the questions surrounding the big bang we can then begin to study and speculate on what banged without xian bs. Now we all know that all the matter in the Universe was compressed to a point smaller than one atom. We are who we are, no purpose except to do what we think feels right and return to stardust.
You will be a stronger person because you reject brainwashing out of hand and live your life without burden.
I’ll tell you that people who feel Christians are week because we just don’t want to believe this life is it or that we want presents from Jesus for being good boys and girls are totally on the mark.
I’m angry; I’m not here to accuse anyone and I don’t want to hear highbrow quotes from this prophet or that. I also acknowledge that my beliefs are not welcomed by theists, I’m just saying that having studied this religion or mysticism or having “belonged” to a certain denomination does not give you the ability to argue the true nature of His creation.
26 July 2006, on 8:25 pm
Oh and by the way Eve, that is exactly what God is trying ton do, He is trying to slap this FREE GIFT into your hands and wants NOTHING in return but a gift cannot be given to someone with a clenched fist.
26 July 2006, on 8:34 pm
If you say this prayer and truly believe it in your heart, you are saved. There is no begging for it. It is very free to each and everyone of you. I am praying for you all.
Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I had intercourse with one of your animal creations- it was a small mammal even at that. I believe that You died for my sins, and God raised You from the dead, but, man, did you have to say that chipmunks and rabbits were off limist? I want to turn from my sins, but you must know what a tight raccoon feels like, don’t you? I now invite You to come into my heart and life for only the low, low price of nine fitty. I want to trust and follow You as Lord and Savior if you weren’t such an asshat. In my own name, amen.
26 July 2006, on 9:08 pm
Oh and by the way Eve, that is exactly what God is trying ton do, He is trying to slap this FREE GIFT into your hands and wants NOTHING in return but a gift cannot be given to someone with a clenched fist.
That is a lie. This “gift” has a price of submission and being this gawd’s slave doggie.
26 July 2006, on 9:21 pm
Is that Jesus taking a crap? I thought Jesus was black.
26 July 2006, on 9:24 pm
Free gift??? Freely offered??? I’ll pick mine up when I’m dead.
Thats John Bigboote Bootay BOOTAY.
Good job on the rewrites. Iusually just glance at the name and move on if I suspect preachin. But I have been reading the rewrites and must say. Well Done
26 July 2006, on 9:28 pm
When Jesus steps forward to massage my aching shoulders and picks up at least half of the trash on my route with nothing but a salad spinner, Then Shall He knoweth.
When Jesus alloweth me to partake of His Holy Sister, Lurleen in a tripartite, equilateral triangle of a love affair with myself and “Carolyn Theys”, Then Shall He Beeth.
Je Dois T’Enculer, Jesu!
Je Dois T’Enculer, Jesu!
Le fruit de vos entrailles, Jesu!
26 July 2006, on 9:30 pm
Cieje3, here’s the thing: a lot of theists, mostly xians, come on here claiming to be “on our side,” so to speak, and almost all of them announce ahead of time that they mean no disrespect, don’t intend to argue, and/or agree with us on some of our views toward religion. So many of them then turn around, either almost immediately or after lulling us into a sense of security, and violate our comment policies or otherwise behave inappropriately given what they’ve told us their intentions are.
I’m not saying that you’re going to do that; I sincerely hope not and like Sean, I welcome another “friendly” theist voice. However, I’ve been figuratively stabbed in the back before, so as a guest on our site, you will understand, I’m sure, when I say that I remain skeptical toward new theist commenters until they’ve shown more of themselves. I, like many other agnostic/atheists, am living in a mostly theistic country where the current trend seems to be the curtailment of civil rights and a push toward turning the US into a theocracy, which we all vehemently oppose, so I’ll admit to being very sensitive on the subject.
I also meant no disrespect by my response to your comment, for I believe that religious faith is in many ways a delusion, and it truly seemed to me that you were admitting to that. Since you were not, point taken; this is still a free country with freedom of religion – as of yet, anyway.
In regards to prayer, I actually have no objection to it; when people say “bless you” to me, for example, I take it as a positive wish on their part – you know, like saying “best of luck” or “hang in there.” This still being a free country, you’re absolutely entitled to freedom of religion, and of course prayer is part of that, at least outside of public arenas like schools and courts.
However, the tricky part that I’ve encountered with prayer is that when people tell other people that they are praying for them, especially when those other people have not asked for those prayers, it can often seem like they’re patronizing them, showing pity for them in a “oh-poor-wee-thing” sort of way, as if those they were praying for were somehow wrong, needy, or victims. I don’t appreciate that because quite frankly, I find it insulting; I am neither wrong, needy, or a victim, and if someone wishes to think of me that way, the polite thing to do would be to keep it to themselves.
Hopefully, this is not what you meant when you told us you were praying for us. However, I too will give you the benefit of the doubt. In all fairness, though, in your reply to me, you repeated that you had prayed for us, so it seems this is an important point to you. If so, I hope that I explained why so many of us are sensitive on this issue, and here’s a toast to continued thoughtful exchanges with you
!
26 July 2006, on 9:31 pm
Free Gift? Free Gift?! Free Gift!!
Make mine a toaster with no “Dark” setting, please. And do I have to open up a Jesus Charge to get that?
Fucknobs.
26 July 2006, on 9:46 pm
Vizitin, this is your all-good, -perfect, -knowing, -present, -powerful, -male God you’re talking about. Of course he’s entirely capable of freely bestowing a gift on me without waiting for me to “open my hand.” Heck, he zapped xian-persecutor Saul so that he turned into Paul and became a xian in the blink of an eye without Saul’s asking for it, didn’t he? So why not everyone else too, especially if he doesn’t want us going to hell?
Of course, he also supposedly created us imperfect so that we could sin, which he made sure we did by planting a tree and telling us not to touch it all the while knowing that we would, so that he could punish us for doing what he deliberately set us up to do and then make the grand gesture of saving us by appearing to die only to then bounce back to life again, but then refuse to apply this salvation to everyone unless we beg him for it, knowing it’s the only way to save us from the punishment he has in store for us for committing the sin *he* made sure we committed in the first place–
26 July 2006, on 9:47 pm
Today was my first visit to your site. Very Interesting.
I am trying to understand all of the hatred that is so apparent in so many.
I am not sure of the whole “rapture” thing, because the word does not exist in the Scriptures. It comes from some Greek translation, since I am not Greek, nor a scholar of the Greek language, I will not comment.
Dog, you say you don’t really want the Christians here. Fair enough. But if you don’t, then why does this blog exist? Just musing here. It sounds to me like you’d just be preaching to the choir.
Faith, by definition, is belief without proof. So, all religions are based on faith, are they not. Even the radical muslims believe they will go be with 77 virgins(or something like that)when they become martyrs. They don’t believe that Jesus was the Son of God, they just believe in Allah(and murder).
So, I am wondering, why does one hate the Christians so. There are some pretty nutty Christians(and non’s), as well as nutty atheists, Satanists, etc. Because one makes a conscious decision to place their life in the hands of someone they believe died for their sins, does not make them a nut case. I do understand that what Christians believe is very difficult to swallow. In some instances it’s easier to be a believer than a non believer.
Anyway, thanks for your time. I’m not preaching, proselytzing(sp?), or bashing anyone. I just had some thoughts and questions.
26 July 2006, on 10:02 pm
So why not everyone else too, especially if he doesn’t want us going to hell?
Eve – Good question. Wouldn’t it be fun to give that question to about 20 different xians and have them write their answers and see what they all write? It would be like the science essays I grade where I get a whole variety of wild answers for a standard question. I remember an exercise we did in an adult bible class once when I was still a church-going xian. The minister asked us to write down on the sheet of paper answers to questions like “who is god?” and “what/where is heaven?” “How do we attain salvation?” and several more questions. As we read our answers aloud, disagreements ensued and things got pretty heated. It was quite amusing to me since I was already having doubts and this whole thing just added to it. If I wrote about my deconversion process, it would be quite lengthy and detailed. That’s what many of these xians don’t understand. It wasn’t like I just up and decided one day that I wasn’t going to believe anymore. It was a long and thoughtful process. A gradual “awakening”.
26 July 2006, on 10:06 pm
Ya know i’d almost like to stick around to let you see how I am a real asshat for jeebus. After the rapture happens in my own psychotic mind, I will be in a padded cell. I know your gonna laugh at my comments because I am a real loser ,but Jesus died for you..MODERATOR, YOU CAN PUBLISH MY EMAIL..PEOPLE SEE WHAT A REAL BRAINWASHED DUMBASS I AM?
26 July 2006, on 10:16 pm
Mine was a process too, Star; I can write about specific experiences, like I did in my first post, but it’s kind of hard to describe that gradual “awakening.”
26 July 2006, on 10:35 pm
Eve – And this “awakening” didn’t occur because anything “bad” happened as our trolls in the queue would like to believe. How presumptuous to pretend they know us when they know nothing about us at all, and don’t even try to know us.
Phsyco-Vizitin, what the fuck is it to you anyway if I “believe” or not? What’s your extra PRIZES or strokes from your sky daddy for winning converts or for badgering people here?
I think as several people have pointed out in other posts throughout the archives, and as I have stated before also, you just need NUMBERS to make you feel better about your OWN DOUBTS. You, Phsyco-Vizitin and other trolls want reassurance that what you believe is true and you think that if you can convince people that it will alleviate your own doubts. You are not a “true believer” and are not confident in your faith.
26 July 2006, on 10:40 pm
Vizitin Says:
July 26th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
I’m just saying that having studied this religion or mysticism or having “belonged” to a certain denomination does not give you the ability to argue the true nature of His creation.
——
I’ve studied.
I’ve “belonged”
I’ve looked, listened, and learned.
But irregardless of anything at all and everything,
The very freaking minute any nutball religious wacko says HIS bloody god CREATED ME!! Then I have every ability and RIGHT to argue because your god is a lie. And by trying to draw me into your lies is an offence to me. Yes, I am offended when these wacko’s say thier god created me.
Shove a T-Rex tooth up your ass then ask your god to remove it. See which one actually affects your life then tell me your god is real. Because if your god won’t stand up to the hell of haveing the devil’s imagination shoved up your shitter, then he isn’t a god at all.
If you ‘turn the other cheek’ Xians (love that ‘Xians’ btw) honestly like religious war, then go to your so called holy land. If you really want to see your so-called god’s work, then go to your holy land. Take up arms and shoot a blasphemer in the head, stone cold. When you watch his brains leak out, ask your god if that’s what makes him smile. If he says yes, then turn that weapon on yourself and make both of yourselves happy.
Your god is a lie.
We want to enjoy our life and live in this world. You want to kill and destroy for your make-belief system.
We want to live and let live. You want to demand, command, and control.
We want honesty and rational thought for the good of all. You want randomly choosenly, convieniently crafted snippets of a document that is admittledy written over 100 years after the death of your god, and by people who weren’t actually there but are, in effect, ghost writting the story.
We want to say have a nice day. You want to say we will have ever-lasting toture to look forward to.
We want our world. You want us to die.
Your god is a lie. Get over it.
Thanks
Peace out ya’all.
C
26 July 2006, on 10:50 pm
Ok. I have taken the liberty of BANNING Phsyco-Vizitin. He was spamming the queue and being a total asshat. Phsyco-Vizitin you are officially BANNED.
26 July 2006, on 10:59 pm
Eve Says:
July 26th, 2006 at 10:16 pm
Mine was a process too, Star; I can write about specific experiences, like I did in my first post, but it’s kind of hard to describe that gradual “awakening.
———
Aye. Tis true with me too.
But, I do have one very specific memory that later came to be expailned. And this explantion was a sure sign that god is a lie.
When I was young and first enrolled in Sunday School, it went like this. My Dad says to me that my Grandfather (his Dad) was comeing to take me and my sister to Church. That is the day my sister and I began years worth of Sunday school. Then, I found out that my Grandfather had deliberatly lied to my Dad about this very fact, before it happend. You see, my GrandDad (rip) told my Dad that he was in fact not takeing us to enroll in sunday school, but rather just to go to church this one time. My Dad and my GrandDad split a rift for a couple years following that but my sister and I dutifully fullfilled our Church requirements.
When I learned from my Dad that that is how it started, that’s when I learned that even those you love and trust most, will lie for thier god.
Therefore, god is a lie.
C
26 July 2006, on 11:33 pm
# Jeff Says:
July 26th, 2006 at 11:16 pm
WOW, IAM ALMOST IMPRESSED….I’LL KEEP PRAYING FOR YOU, AND OH YEA…JESUS IS COMING
————–
Just an insult and re-iteration of a basic, unaccountable, reptitive, self-deluding, -confirming, -serving, statement.
That is why your god is a lie.
Please don’t shout Jeff. It’s just plain rude. Ya know? Is that a moral you can understand? Or are basic morals like not shouting discounted because a heathen could concieve such a thing as well? Or is just that your god never commanded you to not shout when it’s not necessary? LIKE NOW! BOO!!
C
26 July 2006, on 11:35 pm
# Jeff Says:
July 26th, 2006 at 11:16 pm
WOW, IAM ALMOST IMPRESSED….I’LL KEEP PRAYING FOR YOU, AND OH YEA…JESUS IS COMING
Jeff you are now officially banned. Get some psychiatric help before it’s too late.
26 July 2006, on 11:40 pm
Sean – we are overrun with fundie varmint poontang. It’s getting hard to keep a clean house!
26 July 2006, on 11:50 pm
Just an insult and re-iteration of a basic, unaccountable, reptitive, self-deluding, -confirming, -serving, statement.
Crafter – They are brainwashed — hypnotized for Jeebus and they want to assimilate us. They are obsessive-compulsive about it. “WE MUST ASSIMILATE” is all they can think of.
What’s it to them if we reject their beliefs? It’s that doubt thing again…they doubt and know the lies they believe are NOT TRUE but they WANT them to be true because they are afraid to die and no longer exist. That is the whole reason they believe…FEAR. They are in denial that they are NOT going to live forever…NOTHING LASTS FOREVER, not even the stars, nor planets, nor anything. It’s better to accept it in a dignified manner and enjoy the life one has here and now.
27 July 2006, on 12:19 am
Yeow!, …I missed reading this post yesterday. I just caught up!
[...and I'm regretting it?...ha, ha!]
Sean, what a job it is, being the ‘gate keeper’ with all that Fundie shit!
“Do you drink anymore?”… “Not anymore than I used to!”
After reading all the marginally (?) illiterate Fundie comments, I somehow feel that I’ve had a fairly accurate glimpse, perhaps, of what it’s like to be ’seriously retarded’…
or is it, to be politically correct,…’mentally challenged’? OK, maybe its just “Delusion”. [pronouce, ala Lewis Black?]
This question has probably been asked before; …however: …Do these brainwashed idiots, in ‘reality’, copy and paste their garbage from their ‘very own’ pre-edited archive files?
[Sound F/X: Twilight Zone theme?]
OK,…I realize no one would REALLY want to research the answer to that;…would they?
“…and don’t call me Shirley!”
[Oh,...and, Bravo to all our, stalwart, regular members! As always, you provided some wonderful, very relevant, and intelligently researched data...and very interesting links!]
27 July 2006, on 12:36 am
Do these brainwashed idiots, in ‘reality’, copy and paste their garbage from their ‘very own’ pre-edited archive files?
ChuckA – I think so. It seems to be all from the same “publisher.”
(I know, I know…the loonies are saying that “Gawd” is their publisher.)
I used to be active in the churches I attended when I was an xian. And I often worked in the offices and saw that the pastor/ministers used PRE-WRITTEN sermons in books supplied by the church overlords Southern Baptist Convention, (General Assembly (Presbyterian), Missouri Synod or ELCA (Lutheran) to name a few (We tried various denominations over the years before giving it all up.) The ministers just had to read through them a couple of times and then just spew it out on Sunday morning. So, churches within that synod or presbytery, SBC most likely hear the same sermons on the same Sundays. Keeps all the borg on the same “brainwashing page”, so to speak.
27 July 2006, on 2:43 am
Thanks for that info, Stardust. [Sorry, a bit, for even adding to an already long comment list!]
If you even return for further read, here…
I guess, what I was really wondering will probably always remain in the “Unanswered Question” or should I say: “Unanswerable Question” category.
[Sound F/X here:
Charles Ives' "The Unanswered Question"?...for any serious [Classical] music buffs!]
To repeat a variation of the same question (?),…their dumb content aside: …
Do the Fundie Trolls keep cutting/pasting their original, or plaguerized bullshit…INCLUDING…the, apparently, NEVER edited [or even noticed!], bad grammar and incorrect spelling?
I guess, this might be a case of …”the answer is contained in the question”!…?
Soooo….In French?…”OUI”?
27 July 2006, on 5:04 am
ChuckA sez:
Sean, what a job it is, being the ‘gate keeper’ with all that Fundie shit!
Thanks! It ain’t easy!
27 July 2006, on 5:26 am
stardust Says:
Sean – we are overrun with fundie varmint poontang.
Did our very own stargazing Stardust just use the word “poontang??”
LOL.
27 July 2006, on 9:14 am
Did our very own stargazing Stardust just use the word “poontang??”
Sean,
As Jeffrey Goines from Twelve Monkeys says:
“Wackos everywhere, plague of madness!”
AND TO xian JEFF AND CLINTY AND ALL YOU CRAZY FUNDIES OUT THERE:
“You are a total nutcase, completely deranged, delusional, paranoid. Your thought process is all fucked up. Your information train is jammed, man! “
27 July 2006, on 11:01 am
LoL
Poontang.
LOl
27 July 2006, on 11:16 am
Wang Dang! Sweet….!
27 July 2006, on 12:05 pm
Hmmm…’poonTANG’…is that a ‘new’ version they give to the astronauts these days?
27 July 2006, on 12:56 pm
The fundies are making me say absurd things. Maybe I need a few days off?
27 July 2006, on 1:34 pm
People are being killed and all these ignorant assholes think it’s a good thing? These people make me sick.
What’s the difference between rapture-enthralled xians, and pervs who jerk off watching snuff films?
No, seriously… what’s the fucking difference.
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Not picking on anyone, but only using the above examples as showing the lack of understanding of the christian mentality.
I don’t believe that some statements quoted earlier from the RR board were understood in their context. They were not happy about ANYONE getting killed. Rather, their apparant joy came from the belief that the one who they believe will bring and end to wars and killing for ALL times in ALL nations will soon return to earth to do just that.
27 July 2006, on 3:14 pm
[...] BHL Says: July 27th, 2006 at 1:34 pm EST [...]
27 July 2006, on 3:30 pm
Here’s the problem with that scenario, BHL; those people claiming to be happy about the return of their savior haven’t thought things through (or maybe they have). Most of them believe that his return will mean that this planet will be destroyed and most of the human race will go straight to a nightmarish place called hell forever, which to us is a horrendous travesty coming from a supreme being supposed to be all-good and -merciful.
I personally can’t understand anyone who can find joy in that prospect, true or not. When I was a xian, the concept of the End Times and Jesus’ return was abhorrent to me. How could god just chuck this infinitely intricate planet in the garbage can? The human race was so new compared to the age of the universe (no, I was definitely never a creationist); why couldn’t we have more time? The dinosaurs had millions of years!
27 July 2006, on 4:10 pm
Eve,
I can not adequately respond to your reply without seeming to go against the rules and requests of the moderator of this board.
I can only say again that the perception of some here about people who believe that Jesus is the son of God and are looking forward to his soon returning, is in error to believe that these same people would take joy in the death of anyone. They certainly DO NOT take joy in that. That would be in total disagreement with their core beliefs.
27 July 2006, on 6:09 pm
With all due respect, BHL, there are many who claim to be True Xians (TM) and would fight you to the death for so much as hinting they were not who quite clearly take pleasure in the death and eternal damnation of others, specifically us.
Quotes such as:
“When you’re burning down there in hell, I’m going to look down from my cloud in heaven and laugh!”;
“You will rot here on earth for not following our dear Leader, Geroge W. Bush, who was sent here to rid our earth of all the garbage before the Rapture come”;
and in this very same thread, “your fate will be sealed, destined to be hurled from the white throne of judgment after the 1000 reign of Christ to the eternal fires of hell where the worm does not die and lakes of sulfer will keep you nice and warm” and
“im through preaching to the goats, youve been witnessed so see you in hell from those fluffy clouds in the sky”
are actual xians expressing themselves, not expressions we’ve made up. I realize that not all xians are like this (you certainly don’t seem to be), but the fact remains that if the commonly-held view about Revelation is true and Jesus does return to earth, it will be to “save” a tiny minority of people, condemn the rest to eternal damnation, and destroy this planet.
We will probably simply have to agree to disagree, but I just don’t understand how even a “saved” person would rejoice at the thought of such a disaster. Now, if the messiah were to come back to save *everyone,* not just the select few who were able to figure out and correctly follow the True Religion (TM), and restore the balance of the world, eliminating hunger, disease, and war, etc., without asking for anything in return, *that* to me would be cause for rejoicing.
27 July 2006, on 9:45 pm
Eve,
I can not speak for all those that you call Xians nor do I expect that you can speak for all who call themselves athiests. I can only speak for myself. You seem sincere in your questions and I wish that I could respond, but I won’t disrespect the owner/moderatior of this board. Any response I could give would only appear to be as attempting to prostletise. If however, you are sincere in a desire to better understand the view, I will be happy to do so in a different setting such as email or aim?
27 July 2006, on 10:00 pm
To Eve and Sean: I’m glad to have been accepted as a guest on your site. (though I wish you had a BB or chatroom; or do you guys have one and I’m just not finding it?)
To Eve: Like you said, I do have sincere well wishes towards whomever I say I’ll pray for, and either do so immediately, or make a mental note.
Anyhow i’ll bookmark you guys and come back every so often.
Goodluck, Godbless, and Godspeed.
27 July 2006, on 10:44 pm
Crafter
Ramen to you for your post at 161.
Stardust Chuck Sean all.
fundie varmint poontang is that bright bubbly effervesent type with just a hint of strawberry and honeysuckle.
28 July 2006, on 2:17 am
Cieje3:
Chat rooms are of dubious value. Usually you check in and there’s no “there” there. A room full of bots and one lone human going:
“Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?”
If you really wanna keep up with what is happening on this site, subscribe to the RSS comments feed. Instructions and link in the upper right column.
28 July 2006, on 2:21 am
Dayum, Crafter. You go! As Jimmer said, helluva rant at 161.
Every week here at GifS some god-botherer tells us we are going to hell. Eternal damnation for not agreeing with them.
Who’s full of hate, us or them?
28 July 2006, on 4:02 pm
I loved the ferris bueller quote!
I’m having trouble figuring out the RSS thing.. It’s new to me.
I’ll get it eventually.
But like I said, I’ll probably just swing by every so often.
Goodluck, Godbless, and Godspeed.
29 July 2006, on 1:32 am
i am a christian in love with jesus. but the bible teaches not to judge. i am well aware that there are lots of people that do not believe. in my heart i cry everyday because it kills me inside to think of all the nice people who wont have the future after death that they can have. you see so many people dont understand what the christian faith is. christianity is not about religion, rituals or anything like that. the reason some christians judge is simply because they are human and make mistakes there intentions might be good but they dont fully understand how to say things without judgeing. how many times when you were trying to tell someone you love something important that would help them and it didnt come out right. basicaly the only thing that makes you a christian and be promised a future in heaven ( now i will tell you it is so simple) all you have to do is have a personal relationship with jesus and have a friendship with him ask him to live in your heart tell him you want him to come into your life tell him you need him then ask him for his free gift of eternal life… now is that hard to have a friend that will allways be there in good and bad. once you except him you are fogiven forever even if you make a mistake he loves you more then anyone knows how to love… christans are still human and make mistakes like everyone else. but i am not judging anybody by giving this info. it is always your choice if you want him or not… there is alot more i could tell but that would take a long time if you do except him that is great but if not that is ok it is a coice god will never force anyone to love him because forced love is never real it is when you truely want to love. that it is real. anyway i wish everyone the best christian or not. lol jaime. p.s if you do except him i would love to hear about it if you want to share it my email is faithinjesus7@msn.com
29 July 2006, on 4:44 am
jaime Says:
July 29th, 2006 at 1:32 am EST
i am a christian in love with jesus. but the bible teaches not to judge. i am well aware that there are lots of people that do not believe. in my heart i cry everyday because it kills me inside to think of all the nice people who wont have the future after death that they can have.
I am so filled with Xian LOVE! I just want everyone to be SAVED! But instead I know you’re ALL going to HELL and it makes me so SAD!
Hey, Jamie: FUCK YOU, too.
29 July 2006, on 8:06 am
# jaime Says:
i am a christian in love with jesus. but the bible teaches not to judge.
Your god is a lie without a single shred of viable or rational thought. Your entire lie is based on that sentence right there. ‘The bible’. Your inability to see a book for what is is demonstrates the lies.
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# jaime Says:
i cry everyday because it kills me inside to think of all the nice people who wont have the future after death that they can have
Your lying. Nothing killed you cause your still here talking about it. Trying to say how righteous your lies are because you’ve convinced yourself that your doing this for other people.
THAT IS A LIE. You are doing this for yourself. To satisfy your own selfsish desire to be righteous.
But most importantly, that statement demonstrates just how sheltered from the world you really are. You have no concept of what happens in the greater world. You can’t see past your own delusions. If you saw the broken, twisted people that beg for alms on the steps of Europes greatest chruchs, and saw how Xians neglect them, you might change your ideas.
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# jaime Says:
you see so many people dont understand what the christian faith is. christianity is not about religion, rituals or anything like that.
That is also a lie. Rituals are the biggest part of your religions. And right at the top of that list of required rituals is Canibalism when you ‘desire’ to eat the body of your god and drink his blood.
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Your god is a lie. You desire to follow lies, base your life on lies, and to ‘righteously proclaim’ your lies makes you a truely abhorrent creature.
The only thing that keeps your religion togther is the collective fear of the real you share. The collective desire to want to be better then others. But most importantly, your own selfish pride causes you to run and hide from truth.
Your god is a lie Jamie. And your proclamations of love are lies. You have no hope and no life. You live in fear and mis-trust. You are a truely pathetic creature that deserves nothing more then to be food for other creatures. That is life.
The bottom line is that believing a lie does not make it true. It is a lie. Even when spoken by a ‘true believer’.
All you have to do is walk any historic battlefield where religion, and god, was used as a justification for slaughter, and you’ll see that lies for what they truely are. Merely a method of control for the stupid. A way to make people do things that others want. A way to control. A way to dictate. A way to justify oppresions, murders, A desire for the ignorant to be controlled.
Here’s a good example of how a fictional book becomes a real religion. It’s called ‘The Necronomicon’. Many, many, oh so many people think that this book is an actual book of evil worship. I’ve met people who have stood and up and denounced The Necronomicon as Satan’s own (thereby making it a part of thier own Jedeo-Christion belief system). I’ve had conversations with peole that hold The Necromicon as a true, real, book and not a work of fiction.
The Necronomicon is not real. In fact, the book is not just fiction either. It was never even a book. It is not just a fictional itself, it was actually created by a fictional character in a fictional story written in the late 20’s. In fact, the Necronomicon doesn’t even come for one story but rather only ever has a few sentences ever even attributed to it.
Ignorance is very dangerous. Ignorance when combined with religion always ends with oppression, murder, and, well, censorship.
What do I love? I love H.P. Lovercraft
29 July 2006, on 8:06 am
FUCK!! Typo above.
H.P. Lovecraft!!!
29 July 2006, on 10:50 am
in my heart i cry everyday because it kills me inside to think of all the nice people who wont have the future after death that they can have.
Xian “theatrics” are so sickening.
29 July 2006, on 1:44 pm
Smithson writes My, my, my! What eloquent responses you make to Jamie’s simple expression of faith & love. It reveals the marvelous rationale of your position to drag this discussion into personal insults & obsenities instead of calmly articulating why faith in God is foolish.
Your belief in a gawd that does not exist is foolish. Your mythological gawd is just a fictional dick.
The premise of this whole thread is flawed to begin with. Christians who believe in the Rapture do NOT delight in war or the loss of life anywhere.
This is bullshit…you are all “Rapture ready” for jeebus and looking forward to DYING (the xian and muslim faiths are centered around DYING, VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION.) Your gawd is the biggest murderer of them all…similar to many of the ancient gawds of various ancient mythologies.
What’s so incredibly arrogant about so many of you is that you assume you KNOW what Jamie REALLY meant. You call her post “theatrics” and a bunch of “lies.” How arrogant is it to sit in judgment on another person like this?
How dare YOU to be so arrogant as to proclaim that we are going to burn in hell forever or whatever other “curses” you eagerly believe your sky daddy will bestow on people who disagree with you.
You folk want to jettison the idea of God so the human race can get along more functionally. Wow – this is how it’s going to function under your ideal – with hatred & vitriol? With vicious attacks on someone who does’t agree with you?
Actually, it’s the other way around. Your gawd and religion is the most vicious, hateful, violence promoting, humanity dividing bullshit ever invented by humankind.
And though you say you don’t believe it – that doesn’t change the reality that I hold nothing toward you but love & concern for you.
That is an utter LIE. You only care about your own ass…you want to believe in this gawd because you have a wishful and selfish dream to live forever.
29 July 2006, on 2:10 pm
this is how it’s going to function under your ideal
Ideal:
1. A conception of something in its absolute perfection.
2. One that is regarded as a standard or model of perfection or excellence.
Ideals come from religion or other desires for ‘all answers must be know’.
I for one have no ideals. Just that reality that exists. That’s not an ideal.
Pull your head out of your own ideals and look around. Reality is not an ideal. It just is. And that is what you can’t deal with. Reality.
Ideally, you’d realize that.
Perhaps my assumption of what you really ment is not correct. Perhaps you ment this defination of the word ideal:
adjective
2 a : existing as a mental image or in fancy or imagination only
Like your own god book says. “FEAR YOUR GOD”!!! That is your ideal.
But of course, what you ‘REALLY’ ment is this:
noun:
a standard of perfection, beauty, or excellence
Go back and hide in your ‘faith’ you moron. The real world considers you lunch. Deal with it. Your god is a lie, get over it.
29 July 2006, on 2:11 pm
Hmm, think a bad thing happended there, let’s try that again:
a standard of perfection, beauty, or excellence (self-criticism
and the formation of ideals are … the essential manifestations of the superego —G. S. Blum) (is merely a cultural … ideal and not the actual pattern of behavior —Weston La Barre>
29 July 2006, on 2:20 pm
that doesn’t change the reality that I hold nothing toward you but love & concern for you.
It is entirely possible that this can be true. But when you couch it in terms of your god, then it’s a lie.
It is soo easy to just love and care and not need a god to do it. Does that scare you? That these concepts, born in a human mind, can still apply to mere humans without the god concepts? Do you tremble in fear of your god then claim love for all? Do you love and care because it’s the right thing to do? Or because your self-rightousness demands the claims? Do you love and care because you really do, or because your afraid of your gods consequences if you didn’t?
Go walk up to a Muslim or Hindu and tell them that your god loves them. Don’t come to me afterwards to pull the sword out of you belly though.
Tolerance is no more. Tolerance in this world is an ideal in itself that is un-attainable. Tolerance demands acceptance. I will no longer live a life of subservience to your FUCKED UP system. Your god is a lie.
You can care about those around you without attempting to put the fear of your god into them. THAT is not love. THAT is hate.
29 July 2006, on 2:55 pm
Crafter – Ramen!
29 July 2006, on 5:16 pm
With great patience and amazement I have read though most of the comments posted to date. The Xians amuse me with their unswaying belief in writings that started as oral tradition and have been translated half a dozen times at least since they were first written. To proclaim allegence to such a belief system would be roughly the eqivalent of believing an ancient story told in Hebrew for centuries, translated to writen Arabic, Greek, and Latin translated to medevil English, edited to The Belief of The King, and updated to match the syntax evolution of the English language as unequivical proof that the story is absolutely true…Wait, it’s not the rough equivalent, IT’S EXACTLY WHAT THEY BELIEVE!And in the case of the New Testament, it’s all second hand letters and promotional materials that were designed to encourage a revolutionary movement from fundemental Judaism. So let them believe all the fiction they want including the inane “Left Behind” series and celebrate the end of the world as they know it. Myself, I’m going with the cosmic justice theory – You get what you give. You wage war, you get war. You tell lies, you get lied to. You create Hell, you live in Hell.In the end, my molucules, atoms, and quarks will recycle into something else and the energy of my conciousness will be as close to the essence of God as everyone elses.
29 July 2006, on 7:41 pm
stardust Says:
July 29th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
Hey, thanks Stardust, and Sean, and Jimmer.
), and just be able to see others who’ve been able to ‘escape’ those bloody wackoo’s 
I don’t know who’s site this really is, but I most definately appreciate it. Thanks for supplying a place to ‘rant’ (express), vent (well, I do mean vent there
It’s time to take our lives back. And to shut down religion. I most defiantly want to help in that. I’m tired, sick and fucking bloody tired, of haveing reality (my belief? I don’t think so, it is real hence the term ‘reality’) take a back a seat to these mofo’s. It’s time to stop the lies. And if that means insulting and offending some people, then so be it.
It’s time to return the free gift and get our money back.
Cheers
29 July 2006, on 10:57 pm
Will the xian troll proselytizer says:Ok so you guys dont believe in God and that Jesus Christ was his son. But just for a second lets imagine that somehow that crazy impossible idea was reality.
Why don’t you shake out the brain for a minute and YOU IMAGINE A WORLD WITHOUT GAWD. Can you do that, Will? Or are you too afraid to think about other possiblities other than what you have been programmed to think?
29 July 2006, on 11:31 pm
“But just for a second lets imagine that somehow that crazy impossible idea was reality.”
Nothing to say. You said it yourself, Will. Crazy & Impossible. Buh-Bye!
30 July 2006, on 2:11 am
Hey, thanks Stardust, and Sean, and Jimmer.
), and just be able to see others who’ve been able to ‘escape’ those bloody wackoo’s 
I don’t know who’s site this really is, but I most definately appreciate it. Thanks for supplying a place to ‘rant’ (express), vent (well, I do mean vent there
Crafter – Ron is the site owner…Sean is pretty much running things now though and is responsible for the spiffy new design and all the new gizmos. Then there are several of us who are moderators/writers. I think it’s great to have you as a new commentor and hope you will become a regular.
I started out here as a “lurker” and then once I made my first comment, I was hooked! I found a niche and a great group of intelligent people who I have learned a lot from. It’s also a fun place to vent, bitch and complain about those goddam xians. They still come a’knockin’ though because we are so damn smart and intriguing (and they are masochists for jeebus)! LOL! As you probably have seen, we also get off onto other topics (usually when xians aren’t interrupting our discussions amongst ourselves)…like politics, current events, bizarre news and all sorts of things. Anyway, hope you keep coming back!
30 July 2006, on 4:17 pm
# Stardust Says:
July 29th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
Will the xian troll proselytizer says:Ok so you guys dont believe in God and that Jesus Christ was his son. But just for a second lets imagine that somehow that crazy impossible idea was reality.
Why don’t you shake out the brain for a minute and YOU IMAGINE A WORLD WITHOUT GAWD. Can you do that, Will? Or are you too afraid to think about other possiblities other than what you have been programmed to think?
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Xians have rules about this type of thing.
No, they are not allowed to imagine a world without their god. That would be a blasphemy. Even to just imagine such a thing without ever putting voice to it would ‘condemn them to hell’.
It’s all about fear.
You can’t truely control anyone until your able to control thier own thoughts. Fear is a time-tested method for just that. And if you can convince people to fear thier own mind, then you own them.
Religion has managed to find a really good formula to make people fear thier own mind.
Sheeple have reached the epitome of fear of thier own thoughts.
I could never understand how a person can fear thier own mind. (or thier own body for that matter). It’s just one of the reasons why I know god(s) is a lie.
I think these people just need a realy good sexual encounter.
Pleasure is the counter to fear. And we all now what the church thinks of sex. My point is made I’m sure.
But, I think I’ll continue anyways
Pleasure is why people jump out of airplanes.
Pleasure is why people race cars.
Pleasure is why people (like me) build and fly high power traction kites. Cause it’s a hell of lot more scary to fly a high powered kite that I’ve built myself, then it is to fly a high-dollar production kite. (and not necessarily for the reasons you think. Frankly, I’m a lot more afraid of my kites failing, then hurting me)
Pleasure is why I make damn fucking sure my kites are high quality. Not fear of failure, but the pleasure of seeing a great kite kick someones ass!
Pleasure is why men fuck each other in the ass.
Pleasure is why women lick each others pussies.
Pleasure is not talked about in church unless it’s the pleasure of god.
Odd that. Or is it? My point exactly.
Pleasure will overcome fear. No matter how intense that fear is. And Xians can’t fucking stand other peoples pleasure.
I have soooo many example of how other peoples fear has prevented me for enjoying my pleasures. People who have nothing to do at all with my own pleasure. People who’s own fear cripples them, drives them to cripple others.
No, they can not imagine a world without thier god. Such an act involves too much fear for the weak.
In a very blunt, basic way, ALL religions use terrorism.
Wow!! What fucking statement that is isn’t it!!!!!!!!!!
Terror is not about bombs, or swords, or driving airplanes into buildings. Terror is the fear to think.
And it is known that more people get more fear from other persons thoughts, then even thier own.
That is why a Xian NEEDS to say ‘you imagine I’m right…’
Xians can not say ‘Let’s imagine your right….’
FEAR YOUR GOD!!!
C
31 July 2006, on 12:01 am
Look: the premise of this entire thread was a bunch of sick fucks getting on a discussion board while HUMAN BEINGS — LITTLE KIDS are DYING — and saying shit like this:
Praise God! We are chosen to be in these times and also watch and spread the word. Something inside me is exploding to get out, and I don’t know what it is. Its kind of like I want to do cartwheels around the neighborhood.
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In another thread, someone brought up the fact that the kidnapping of the first Israeli soldier that started this whole thing was on June 25th and if you count from that day to August 3rd…….it is *EXACTLY 40 days!!!!!*
I find that to be a HUGE coincidence.
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A question just popped in my head. Do you think children of around say 7 or 8 (but before the age of accountability) that have been indoctrinated up until that time by their parents religious beliefs will be raptured? . . . For example, would a 7 year old muslim be raptured? I know G-d will do right but I was just wondering everyone’s thoughts. I hate to think of kids being left here.
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Got that dancing feeling on the inside of me.
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This is the busiest I’ve ever seen this website in a few years! I have been having rapture dreams and I can’t believe that this is really it! We are on the edge of eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whoa! I can sure feel the glory bumps after reading this thread!
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I too am soooo excited!! I get goose bumps, literally, when I watch what’s going on in the M.E.!! And Watcherboy, you were so right when saying it was quite a day yesterday, in the world news, and I add in local news here in the Boston area!! Tunnel ceiling collapsed on a car and killed a woman of faith, and we had the most terrifying storms I have ever seen here!! But, yes, oh happy day, like in your screen name , it is most indeed a time to be happy and excited, right there with ya!!
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I am excited beyond words that the struggle of this life may be over soon and I can finally be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
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This is so exciting….I’m having a hard time believing this is ‘real’!
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This is insanity, people. Nothing BUT!
As we would say back in New Yawk: Fucccck!!
1 August 2006, on 3:07 pm
*sigh* BHL, I think you’re misunderstanding me; I completely grasp the view held by most xians who believe in Revelation as literal fact. I grew up attending an American Protestant evangelical (fundamentalist) missionary school from kindergarten through high school, so I know the position inside and out.
My point with my rhetorical questions is that if you really do think them through to their logical conclusions, if you really do believe in the Rapture and Second Coming of Christ, you end up being expected to rejoice in an event that will culminate with the destruction of the planet and the eternal condemnation of most of the human race to a fate worse than death. And imho, none of the statements included in the post sound like Universalism (and yes, I know what that’s about too; it’s Fundamentalist Xianity Lite (TM)).
Taking xianity literally is far behind me now; humanity’s concepts of the divine are exactly that, ideas and beliefs thought up by humans. In order for me to so much as start considering the possible actual existence of the “divine” now at this point in my life, I need incontrovertible, irrefutable, reproducible hard scientific fact up front – otherwise, all I see are people living their lives as if fantasy were fact and not fiction.
1 August 2006, on 11:40 pm
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I went to the message board and there was very little of the… enthusiasm shown in the quotes. I only read through the first page but the only quote i found from your site was the one about the forty days.
I know that i can’t really post anything without most of you writing me off as a “crazy fundy” or a brainwashed “Xian” or whatever, but I am asking you to let your beliefs judge your politics and not the other way around. I consider myself a conservative, but my belief that abortion is generally wrong doesnt come from my political affiliation, it comes from my belief system. As a result, i find that there are situations where abortion could be justified in the eyes of God and thus- my eyes.
Please please please, do not simply praise those that share your political affiliation and question those that don’t. Question everyone and their motives. Play the devil’s advocate. Don’t trust anyone or anything you read. Read a few of the entries from “normal” people on that message board.
Pro-choicers support abortion because they believe people should have the right to choose- not because they like to see babies die. I’m a pro-lifer and even i know that. For me to claim that everyone who is pro-choice is a sadistic baby-killer is ridiculus. These people from the message board are getting excited about current world events because they believe that it may mean something good will happen- not because they like to see children die.
On the question of why us Christians evangelize. Jesus told us to. That, and we believe it’s the Truth. We empathize with all humans and do not want them to be punished forever. There is a verse in the new testament that man y of you probably know and should quote to evangelists who have overstayed their welcome. Although i dont have it memorized, it is the verse where Jesus tells his disciples to visit every town and preach. stay if they are accepted and “shake the dust from their sandals” and leave if they are rejected.
Please stop with the straw-men and name calling. Please just remember that just because there are (a lot of) bad Christians, it doesn’t mean that is inherently false. A Christian murdering someone doesn’t mean that Christianity condones murder.
2 August 2006, on 9:10 am
I don’t understand why people don’t just do their own research before they judge. For example, isn’t it illogical to say there is no god when there is no way you know all evidences? Even in scholarly research, nothing is “proven”. A thesis is done, and based on criteria that has been unearthed to support that thesis, it can only be said that it simply supports the thesis. “This evidence suggests that such and such is the case.. blah blah”. Credible research never says that an assertion has been proven. It simply suggests that the assertion may be true based on the evidence found. This is a rule of scholarly research.
That being the case, saying there is no god is a fallacy based solely on your faith that there is none. Christians have faith of course, but we also have evidence that the Bible is a real historical document. No archaeological find has ever contradicted it, and no historical scholars have ever said this is not the case. Many have tried to show that the Bible is wrong, but none have been able to.
Don’t take my word for it. Look at ALL sources. That’s what I did. If you can give solid evidence that shows that the Bible is just a bunch of untrue stories, at least you can use that to better your cause. Go for it!
2 August 2006, on 9:29 am
I can’t believe people are still commenting on this post- I don’t think we’ve had this kind of turnout since the days of Cluckin’ Chicken, Frank, and Manata.
2 August 2006, on 10:17 am
The fundie Energizer bunnies. They just keep going and going and going…
2 August 2006, on 10:40 am
(QUOTE: Eve said)
My point with my rhetorical questions is that if you really do think them through to their logical conclusions, if you really do believe in the Rapture and Second Coming of Christ, you end up being expected to rejoice in an event that will culminate with the destruction of the planet and the eternal condemnation of most of the human race to a fate worse than death. And imho, none of the statements included in the post sound like Universalism (and yes, I know what that’s about too; it’s Fundamentalist Xianity Lite ™).
BHL Replies………
Point taken Eve. But that is not to mean that the christian believer is happy about it or that they wish to see people in anguish and pain. They certainly do not wish that to happen to anyone. That is why they try to do all they can, talk to as many people as possible, to try to warn them of the danger that they believe that they are in. That is why they are willing to bear insults, mocking, profanity and so on, it is exactly because they do not want to see anyone go through that.
(QUOTE: Eve said)
Taking xianity literally is far behind me now; humanity’s concepts of the divine are exactly that, ideas and beliefs thought up by humans. In order for me to so much as start considering the possible actual existence of the “divine” now at this point in my life, I need incontrovertible, irrefutable, reproducible hard scientific fact up front – otherwise, all I see are people living their lives as if fantasy were fact and not fiction.
BHL Replies……..
Eve, I do understand that. I have a relative that I have had many discussions with along these lines. They have changed from being an athiest to an agnostic and the discussions have very lively at times. There are proofs, if you are really interested in finding them. If you want to discuss it further, my offer is still open.
2 August 2006, on 10:51 am
“There are proofs, if you are really interested in finding them. If you want to discuss it further, my offer is still open.”
Alright, BHL, put the bibble down and lay those supposed proofs on us. Speaking for myself, as a rational being, I’m always looking to expand my knowledge, to correct any falsehoods that may have crept into my intellectual repertoire. Go ahead, man. Peer-reviewed, empirical, scientifically sound, logical proofs, BHL, lay ‘em on me. Remember, the Bibble counts for jackshit in terms of evidence, so step away from it and state your case. Otherwise, fuck off back into the cloistered circle jerk of your religion. Put up, shut up, shit or get off the pot.
2 August 2006, on 1:03 pm
For the record:
In the future, I do not intend to respond to posts that are written in a way that would seem that they were written by someone who was raised in a barn yard. There is such a thing as common courtisy that has nothing to do with religeous beliefs.
I am open to discussions but I do not want to argue or fight.
I am however going to respond this one time otherwise you would convince yourself that the only reason there was no response was because there were no proofs………….
Continued in my next post………………..
2 August 2006, on 1:07 pm
Note: The following is copied and pasted here for convienence and is being used from another web site…………
Absolute Scientific Proof the Evolutionary Theory is Dead
A story about two friends from day one.
Once upon a time there was a Polonium 218 element of the family of radioactive isotopes. Nuclear chemists classify Polonium 218 as radioactive because the nuclei of the atom continually emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation. This radiation loss causes the atom to disintegrate or decay into a smaller atom. Eventually the material will become lead, which we commonly use for fishing weights and lead-acid batteries in our cars.
Polonium 218 would be classified in elementary school as being “hyperactive.” It can’t sit still very long. In only three minutes, half of the atoms decay into a lighter element, and in only one day it is all changed.
Polonium 218 can be created by the decay of a parent atom such as Uranium 238 or some other element below Uranium 238 in the chain. It can also be created as the parent without having come from the decay of a heavier atom. This is very important, so remember this fact.
Once upon a time there was granite rock. Granite is a very unique rock but at the same time is very common and plentiful. It can easily be found in mountain areas such as the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. Granite is easily identified by its hard crystalline structure and light color. The crystals are large enough to be easily seen with the eye. It has an interesting structure with a mixture of light-colored quartz and feldspar crystals, and darker crystals of mica and hornblende. Granite is solid and hard without cracks or seams, and it is very strong.
Granite has another very unique property in that it cannot be created by scientists. It is considered to be an “original” material in the Earth. When melted and allowed to harden, it does not return to the original granite crystalline structure. The new smaller crystalline material is called rhyolite. Granite cannot be made by cooling the initial molten materials. This is very important, so remember this fact.
Granite never contains fossils such as are found in sedimentary rocks. All of these properties have led many scientists to refer to granite as a creation rock, since it could not have solidified from molten material according to the evolutionary theory.
Evolution cannot explain the presence of granite in its present structure. And where is this granite? Everywhere. Granite is the bedrock shell which encloses the entire Earth. Its exact thickness is unknown, but scientists have speculated that it forms a layer about 4.35 miles (7 km) thick, and in some areas possibly 20 miles (32 km) thick. It occurs on every continent.
These are the two friends from day one. We know they were friends because they lived together. The Polonium 218 lived only a very short time (3 minutes), but he left his mark on his friend, granite, in that short time. Polonium emitted alpha particles which left a very distinct mark in the granite. These marks are called Polonium halos. These halos are tiny colored concentric circles which must be viewed with a microscope. The concentric circles are actually concentric spherical marks which appear as circles after the rock is cut open. “How many halos are there?” you may ask. One trillion times 10 billion are present on every continent around the world. They are everywhere.
The Polonium 218 was the parent radioactive isotope because other distinct halos which are created by other isotopes are not present. The Polonium halos are not accompanied by Uranium 238 halos.
One minute there was nothing. The next minute there were parent Polonium 218 radioactive atoms locked in the center of solid granite. The granite rock could not have formed from cooling molten rock. Granite will not form that way. In fact, scientists cannot make granite by any method. They can make diamonds but not granite. Granite is solid. The Polonium could not penetrate existing granite because it is not porous or cracked. This was day one.
These friends are absolute scientific proof that evolution is dead. First, the granite could not have been produced by evolutionary theories, the Earth cooling, etc. Second, the Polonium locks the entire time period into an instantaneous event proven by nuclear chemistry. The time is not “millions and millions and millions” of years. The granite was produced as a solid with the Polonium parent elements inside at that instant. Within the first three minutes, half of the Polonium had decayed into a lower element. The Earth, granite and Polonium were created by God together in an instant.
Yes, my friend, it wasn’t a big bang. It was a big AMEN (translated, “So be it.”).
So, have we proven that evolution is dead and the Earth was created?
Well, it’s faith isn’t it? Either you believe in creation which requires a Creator, or you believe in evolution as a theory which ignores a creator. Basically, people who believe in the evolutionary theory either 1) deny scientific fact in order to deny that God exists, or 2) they have not studied well enough to see that evolution is not possible. Science makes it very difficult to believe in evolution because an instantaneous creation is perfectly supported. Evolution cannot be proven.
2 August 2006, on 3:32 pm
Paulford James: These people from the message board are getting excited about current world events because they believe that it may mean something good will happen- not because they like to see children die.
No, they’re just conveniently overlooking/disregarding/downplaying/not giving equal importance to the children currently dying. I was a xian who believed Revelation literally, and I found the idea of Jesus returning to save a few and condemn the vast majority of the rest forever along with destroying this wondrous planet absolutely abhorrent. No amount of “good” is going to dilute/counter the sheer evil of such a plan from the rational, logical point of view. No all-good god is going to condemn most of his children to everlasting torture.
PJ: On the question of why us Christians evangelize. Jesus told us to. That,
No, he didn’t. Read the bible word for word. The Great Commission was given specifically to the 12 disciples standing before him, not anyone else. The interpretation that the character Jesus meant by extrapolation that all xians should do this is a purely human interpretation; it’s sinful, imperfect people reading meaning into the actual words written.
PJ: We empathize with all humans and do not want them to be punished forever.
Don’t you get it? Don’t you see the huge contradiction in believing in an all-perfect, -good, -knowing, -present, -powerful god who creates beings knowing ahead of time that he’s going to have to condemn the vast majority of them to eternal nightmare? I already addressed this horrific viewpoint here.
PJ: There is a verse in the new testament that man y of you probably know and should quote to evangelists who have overstayed their welcome. Although i dont have it memorized, it is the verse where Jesus tells his disciples to visit every town and preach. stay if they are accepted and “shake the dust from their sandals” and leave if they are rejected.
Thank you for pointing this out; I for one will definitely use it.
PJ: Please stop with the straw-men and name calling. Please just remember that just because there are (a lot of) bad Christians, it doesn’t mean that is inherently false. A Christian murdering someone doesn’t mean that Christianity condones murder.
No, it just means that xians are human beings like the rest of us and that xianity is a human invention just like all other religions that can be twisted to justify/rationalize/excuse many human errors. By your own doctrine, a xian murdering someone is still going to heaven, unlike the atheist who never commits murder but is condemned to hell because he/she isn’t a xian.
2 August 2006, on 3:48 pm
Kiri: I don’t understand why people don’t just do their own research before they judge.
Apparently you haven’t read many other posts on our site; many of us were xians/theists for years before arriving at our positions of agnosticism/atheism. Based on the rest of your comments, I’d say we’ve probably done a lot more research than you have.
K: For example, isn’t it illogical to say there is no god when there is no way you know all evidences?
No, because first of all, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Theists continue to claim god exists, yet present no extraordinary evidence. Therefore, there’s no rational, logical reason for someone who doesn’t believe in god to change his/her position. It would be equally illogical for us to say there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster when there is no way for us to know all evidences in the matter.
K: Even in scholarly research, nothing is “proven”. A thesis is done, and based on criteria that has been unearthed to support that thesis, it can only be said that it simply supports the thesis. “This evidence suggests that such and such is the case.. blah blah”. Credible research never says that an assertion has been proven. It simply suggests that the assertion may be true based on the evidence found. This is a rule of scholarly research.
That being the case, saying there is no god is a fallacy based solely on your faith that there is none.
No, we say there is no god because theists such as yourself continue to fail to present proof that there is one. Again, the burden of proof is upon you, not us. We have no need to prove our stance; you do. Once more, if I claim the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists and you don’t, you would be right in expecting me to prove it, not the other way around.
K: Christians have faith of course, but we also have evidence that the Bible is a real historical document. No archaeological find has ever contradicted it, and no historical scholars have ever said this is not the case. Many have tried to show that the Bible is wrong, but none have been able to.
The undisputed fact that the bible is a real historical document doesn’t automatically prove that xianity’s god actually exists. The undisputed fact that several of the geographical locations mentioned in the bible, such as Jerusalem, actually exist also doesn’t automatically prove that xianity’s god also actually exists. After all, Homer’s “Iliad” mentions Troy, considered a mythical place for many years until Schliemann actually discovered the site; does this automatically mean that the gods depicted in the poem actually exist?
And the bible has been shown to be wrong on many occasions; those who wrote it clearly believed the earth to be flat, which we now know is wrong.
K: Don’t take my word for it. Look at ALL sources. That’s what I did.
Based on what you’ve said so far, I highly doubt this. Take your own good advice and look at ALL sources, including those that refute your beliefs. Study the bible as literature and mythology. Take comparative religion classes and read up on world beliefs and mythology. Don’t close your mind!
K: If you can give solid evidence that shows that the Bible is just a bunch of untrue stories, at least you can use that to better your cause. Go for it!
That solid evidence has been given. Look it up for yourself. We don’t need to better our cause because, repeat after me, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof,” and as the people making the extraordinary claims, *you* have the burden of proof. Keep reasoning!
2 August 2006, on 4:05 pm
BHL, first, you should always clearly identify your sources so that readers can look them up for themselves; cutting and pasting something that suits your point of view just saying it’s “from another website” is disingenuous at best. It suggests that you might not want us checking up on your sources.
The flaws in Gentry’s polonium halo “proof” are pointed out here, here, and here for starters.
Plus, even actual scientific anomalies are not proof of your particular god’s existence. What they represent to us agnostic/atheists is simply another area of study. Jumping to the conclusion that goddiddit is not only bad science, but counter-productive to education itself. If you answer every question with merely goddiddit, you stop the investigative process.
2 August 2006, on 4:34 pm
Here is full documentation for you with this article ……….
http://www.halos.com/faq-replies/creation-halos-stand-unrefuted.htm
Earth Science Associates
Polonium Halos: Unrefuted Evidence for Earth’s Instant Creation!
It Stands Unrefuted
Dear friend Guilherme Ramos Sens,
I am most pleased to hear that the Adventist Media Center videos, Fingerprints of Creation and The Young Age of the Earth, have been useful for setting up a creation discussion group on the internet from your location in Brazil. Moreover, I am sure your position as a medical student is giving your site credibility. And with this credibility I am not at all surprised to hear that the evolutionists who have chanced onto your site are trying to undermine its credibility by attacking the polonium-halo evidence for creation. What you need is more information about what they are attempting to do, and I am most pleased to assist in this respect….
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
…. May the Lord continue to bless your efforts to use His Fingerprints of Creation in the heavens and the Earth to glorify Him and bring others to a saving knowledge of the truth as it is in Jesus.
I have DVDs of the programs referenced above. They can be sent to you, if you so desire. Let me know.
In the Master’s service,
Bob Gentry
P.S. Hope the above helps. My intention was to write only a brief response. But ideas kept coming so I decided to include everything.
Polonium Halos: Unrefuted Evidence for Earth’s Instant Creation!
Copyright © 2004, All Rights Reserved
Earth Science Associates
P.O.Box 12067
Knoxville, TN 37912-0067
2 August 2006, on 5:01 pm
BHL
For the love of fricking Jizzus- you don’t have to Copy/Paste flood the forum when you’ve ALREADY PROVIDED A LINK TO THE ARTICLE.
Please refrain from this in the future.
2 August 2006, on 5:25 pm
Again, BHL, I said: “Even actual scientific anomalies are not proof of your particular god’s existence. What they represent to us agnostic/atheists is simply another area of study. Jumping to the conclusion that goddiddit is not only bad science, but counter-productive to education itself. If you answer every question with merely goddiddit, you stop the investigative process.”
Plus, you’re giving more weight to a single “scientist” (a creationist to boot, hence my quotation marks) than to the several countering him. One published book (in itself suspicious, because as the scientists on GifS will tell you, no one publishes their studies straight to book form right off the bat unless their peers find major flaws in their work) is not enough to change an entire field, not in this day and age.
As long as mainstream science continues to refute this “proof,” the only logical, rational, reasonable point of view I find I can hold toward it, imho, is skepticism. And since when would refuting evolution automatically prove that xianity’s god exists? This discussion is descending into silliness on your part.
2 August 2006, on 7:49 pm
BHL, for an appeal to authority, you must first submit the knowledge of someone who actually is an authority. Otherwise, it’s pointless- but, then, religion is just that.
3 August 2006, on 9:26 am
(Quote: Eve)
Again, BHL, I said: “Even actual scientific anomalies are not proof of your particular god’s existence. What they represent to us agnostic/atheists is simply another area of study. Jumping to the conclusion that goddiddit is not only bad science, but counter-productive to education itself. If you answer every question with merely goddiddit, you stop the investigative process.”
(Reply)
1. It is presumptuous of you to assume that the findings are anomalies.
2. What you are calling “jumping to conclusions” is in actuality the scientific findings agreeing with the biblical account of creation.
(Quote)
Plus, you’re giving more weight to a single “scientist” (a creationist to boot, hence my quotation marks) than to the several countering him.
(Reply)
1. Why would you assume there is only one scientist who, through and because of their research, hold creationist views? I did only list one, but there are great numbers who hold to the view.
(See the website below for starters, there are others………this also lists their credentials and area of expertise.)
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=research_biosci
2. These scientists come from all areas of science and they have impeccable credentials.
3. You feel justified in discounting these scientists simply because they believe in creation and not by their education, credentials and expertise? For all you know, they could have come to the belief in creation BECAUSE of what they found during their research.
4. By your logic then, no scientific finding should ever be accepted simply because of a person’s personal beliefs. There are scientists who are atheists. Should we also then disregard any of their findings simply because of their personal beliefs?
(Quote)
One published book (in itself suspicious, because as the scientists on GifS will tell you, no one publishes their studies straight to book form right off the bat unless their peers find major flaws in their work) is not enough to change an entire field, not in this day and age.
(Reply)
Prove it…………..
(Quote)
As long as mainstream science continues to refute this “proof,” the only logical, rational, reasonable point of view I find I can hold toward it, imho, is skepticism. And since when would refuting evolution automatically prove that xianity’s god exists? This discussion is descending into silliness on your part.
(Reply)
1. Mainstream science……………Your point is, to stick with the larger crowd? If that were true, we would still consider the world flat. That was the “world view” until one man set out to prove it was not so. Or, we would still think that the sun revolved around the earth instead of the other way around. They took a lot of flack but they were proven to be correct in the end even though they were not the “mainstream” of their day.
2. Evolution……………..Because evolution is a theory, has not been proven, yet there is scientific data from all areas of science that supports the biblical account of creation.
3. Silliness…………..that’s a cop out on your part………..
3 August 2006, on 9:32 am
Marcus…………..I have refrained.
Raindogzilla………..I have listed several expert “authorities”..(their expert credentials are listed on the website I listed)……..why haven’t you submitted then?
3 August 2006, on 9:37 am
BHL,
I’m also curious where you learned to format your writing in that manner.
3 August 2006, on 9:41 am
Excuse me a drive-by ad hom… But does “BHL” stand for “Big Hairy Lips”?
Eeeewww.
3 August 2006, on 9:57 am
Marcus Says:
August 3rd, 2006 at 9:37 am
BHL,
I’m also curious where you learned to format your writing in that manner.
(Reply)
For the larger posts? I actually write in “word” and copy and paste it into the reply window of this site. Is that what you mean? I have noticed that some of the spacing changes when I do that.
3 August 2006, on 9:58 am
Sean Says:
August 3rd, 2006 at 9:41 am
Excuse me a drive-by ad hom… But does “BHL” stand for “Big Hairy Lips”?
Eeeewww.
lol……….lol……….lol…………no…..guess again….
3 August 2006, on 11:00 am
BHL, your argument for creationism is as ludicrous as continuing to argue the earth is flat after seeing it from outer space as the lovely blue orb it is. For every single one of your bible-totin’ “scientists” saying “goddidit”, there are literally thousands, with millions of years of fossil records and the map of the human genome, who beg to differ. Just fucking stop it, BHL. The case has been decided, the jury is back, the judge has ruled, it’s all over but the crying- yours, I suppose.
Here’s the bigger question:
Why does evolution have to upset your fundie apple cart so? Is it not possible that the writers of your “resource” book, without the benefit of the last 3500 years of scientific development, simply wrote it down in language they- and the people of that time- could understand?
If you believe your god created man, then did he not also create the brain, the inquisitive nature that leads to the very science which proves that evolution did and continues to occur?
Is it not possible that the Big Gardener in the Sky merely tossed in the seeds of life to that primal ooze billions of years ago and watched it grow?
Is it so absolutely essential to you that you be “special” that anything that hints you may be more of a random occurrence throws you into a childish snit?
Are my parents and the millions of other self-professed, upstanding, churchgoing christians, muslims, and jews who are convinced by the science of evolution and, yet, remain unshaken in their various faiths, all bound for your hell? Are they not true believers?
Do you not realize just how pathetic you sound, parroting “scientific” refutations that you obviously do not grasp well enough on your own to vet for the obvious inconsistencies and errors contained within?
Why are you here, basically? No one is swayed by your arguments- all of which we’ve seen in one form or another for decades and dsimissed as the canards, logical fallacies, and scientific illiteracies they are.
Just fucking stop it. We neither need it, want it, or any way, shape, or form, welcome it. Do me a favor, BHL, go over to Pharyngula- PZ Meyers’ place- and try your schtick there, see where that gets you.
3 August 2006, on 11:38 am
BHL,
I’m noting the “Quote/Reply” format that you seem so infatuated with.
3 August 2006, on 12:15 pm
Marcus Says:
August 3rd, 2006 at 11:38 am
BHL,
I’m noting the “Quote/Reply” format that you seem so infatuated with.
Oh………I evidently misunderstood your question. I was trying to do that for clarity so that it was not misunderstood as to who said what. I have seen it in other places and thought that it was useful.
3 August 2006, on 12:29 pm
BHL,
“I was trying to do that for clarity so that it was not misunderstood as to who said what. I have seen it in other places and thought that it was useful.”
There are far better ways to note the distinction… as you see in place here. Good old standard quotation marks will also work wonders- if a reader doesn’t know who wrote the quoted material, then they should read all the comments first- capisci?
3 August 2006, on 12:43 pm
Marcus,
How did you get my quote in itallics? I will be more than happy to use it………just show me how.
Thanks in advance……….
3 August 2006, on 12:57 pm
BHL, Raindogzilla more than concluded the scientific part of this discussion, so I’ll simply address those remarks of yours that pertain to my writing.
You said: 1. It is presumptuous of you to assume that the findings are anomalies.
Read what I said carefully. I wasn’t calling Gentry’s findings “anomalies.” I was extrapolating my point to *include* anomalies, hence my use of the word “even” first.
BHL: What you are calling “jumping to conclusions” is in actuality the scientific findings agreeing with the biblical account of creation.
No, it is still jumping to conclusions. Even if we were to prove that the earth as a planetary unit came into being in a single step, it doesn’t necessarily follow that it was the abrahamic god who made this step happen. There are other creation accounts in other mythologies that could match this event; it might not have been a supernatural event at all. In fact, if proven scientifically, it almost automatically becomes a natural phenomenon, not a supernatural one.
BHL: 1. Why would you assume there is only one scientist who, through and because of their research, hold creationist views? I did only list one, but there are great numbers who hold to the view.
Straw man. I made no such assumption. Therefore, points 2-4 are irrelevant.
BHL: 1. Mainstream science……………Your point is, to stick with the larger crowd?
No. My point is to stick with hitherto, consistently proven results. Your comment clinches the case that you truly do not grasp the field of science.
BHL: If that were true, we would still consider the world flat. That was the “world view” until one man set out to prove it was not so. Or, we would still think that the sun revolved around the earth instead of the other way around. They took a lot of flack but they were proven to be correct in the end even though they were not the “mainstream” of their day.
Since that wasn’t my point, this argument is irrelevant, but I always find it highly ironic when theists/xians try to wield it. It was *your* religion, xianity, that endorsed the belief that the world was flat, not science. It was *your* religion, xianity, that persecuted the one man who proved the earth revolved around the sun, not science. In fact, there *was* no mainstream science at those times because of the dominance of religious thinking.
Notice how you keep wanting to break our Comments policy and engage me privately and personally. You’re dying to witness, proselytize, and preach to me because it’s the only recourse you know to try to make your point outside of rational discussion. I add “defensiveness” to “silliness” on your part.
3 August 2006, on 1:20 pm
Eve Says:
Notice how you keep wanting to break our Comments policy and engage me privately and personally.
These are the comments policy as I understand them.
1. If you come here and witness, you will be banned.
2. If you come here and proselytize, you will be banned.
3. If you come here and threaten us with eternal damnation for not believing in your invisible sky daddy, you will be banned.
As far as I am aware Eve, I have made every effort not to, and have not violated the owner/moderator’s comments policy.
As I said before, I am open to discussions but I don’t want to argue or fight. It seems that there are those who don’t have the ability to discuss without argueing. Thats not where I am at or what I wished to do so it would be best to end it now. I was asked questions, I answered them, it is as simple as that.
3 August 2006, on 1:37 pm
BHL,
Just use quotation marks.
3 August 2006, on 1:43 pm
“Marcus Says:
August 3rd, 2006 at 1:37 pm
BHL,
Just use quotation marks.”
Testing………….
I guess I will need to submit this to see how it comes out, but, it doesn’t look right in the preview.
3 August 2006, on 1:44 pm
(I evidently did do it right…………….)
testing again……….
3 August 2006, on 2:01 pm
BHL Says:
August 3rd, 2006 at 1:44 pm
(I evidently did do it right…………….)
testing again……….
Typo………….I meant, did not,
3 August 2006, on 2:33 pm
BHL,
What, you don’t have a quotation mark key on your keyboard?
3 August 2006, on 2:41 pm
BHL, regarding publishing scientific results straight to book form: you can see here about the peer review process.
BHL: As far as I am aware Eve, I have made every effort not to, and have not violated the owner/moderator’s comments policy.
Point taken; I was inaccurately recalling your comments like “I can not adequately respond to your reply without seeming to go against the rules and requests of the moderator of this board” and “any response I could give would only appear to be as attempting to prostletise.”
BHL: I was asked questions, I answered them, it is as simple as that.
*sigh* You tried, BHL; you tried. In addition to pharyngula, I also recommend talkorigins. May you fare well.
3 August 2006, on 2:59 pm
lol, you got me Marcus……………..and here I was taking you seriously……….
3 August 2006, on 3:32 pm
*sigh* You tried, BHL; you tried. In addition to pharyngula, I also recommend talkorigins. May you fare well.
You need to learn about debate and discussion. Eve, when you lose your temper and have to resort to name calling instead of using fact or data, you have already lost. You did try though…….. You could go over to “Rapture Ready” and try it there if you want to. Sigh……I truely wish you the best Eve, despite whatever you may believe. Seriously…….I really do wish you the best…………
3 August 2006, on 3:59 pm
BHL, you just revealed yourself to be no True Xian (TM); not only did you ignore the chance I extended to you to exit gracefully, but you turned around and lied about it. Then you sarcastically repeated your statement of “wishing me the best,” obviously flagging it as a false sentiment. I add “resentment” and “falseness” to your defensiveness and silliness, and I hereby send you to Coventry. Good-bye.
3 August 2006, on 4:00 pm
BHL: Anybody who denies the validity of the theory of evolution in the year 2006 has serious problems. Why don’t you try reading something other than your crazy flat-earth non-science books?
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/gop-evolution.html
There are no serious scientists working in real laboratories investigating how to, oh, cure the cancer you will eventually get if you live long enough, who doubt evolution at all.
I sincerely hope you don’t have children, because they are going to grow up unable to get a job other than pumping gas.
3 August 2006, on 5:55 pm
Butt Hole on the Loose!
3 August 2006, on 6:40 pm
*lol*, Raindog!
4 August 2006, on 1:31 pm
Hi! I’m a creationist! I first said that I wasn’t going to beat you over the head with gawd, but then I wrote eight paragraphs about why I believe in him and why you should two. I ended with “Just my two-cents” so don’t think that I was witnessing you; I was merely letting you know my point of view.
16 August 2006, on 12:03 am
truth exsists outside of your preception. Just because you don’t believe something does not change truth.
example: 1. God exsists whether you believe it or not.
2. Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord
3. Hell is a real place for real people
4. God does not send you there, you choose to go there.
5. Hell is not for partyers, it is for fools.
War is tragic, but as long as there are people in this world who want to control others, it is necessary. We are involved in a real war against an enemy that does not wear a uniform or respect the “rule” of warfare. I care deeply for each and every soul that crosses into eternity without Christ, even our enemy. I make no appologies for being glory bound, but I wonder, why should it make you so angry? Are we not free to have our own oppinion?? You certinly have yours! Just so you know, if the enemy wins, you will no longer have the freedom to believe in what ever it is you believe…it’s their moon god, Alah (who, by the way, does not exsist), or die, period. hmmm, what then? Talk about fanatics!
16 August 2006, on 1:17 am
“Reality”:
Allah and Yahweh are the same gawd, you dumb shit. Learn more about your own religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
And while you are at it, prove to me why it is perfectly logical to say Yahweh exists and other gawds (or even interpretations of the same gawd) don’t.
16 August 2006, on 8:27 am
No. They are not. Allah is the moon god, his prophet is Mohamad, a direct decendant of Ishmal, Abrahams son through Hagar, Sarah’s handmade. Abraham’s son Issac is the father of Jacob (whom God later named Isreal) and is the son of promise (Issac). The decendants of Ishmal rejected the God of his father. They are 2 totallly different faiths based on totally different documents (the Koran (written in 370AD) & the Bible).
“There is one God, and one mediator between men and God, the man, Christ Jesus”
May I ask; how do you “know” so much about my “religion”?
16 August 2006, on 9:48 am
Reality- wow, what a completely inappropriate handle- we know so much about your religion because we have studied it and read your holy texts more than even you have, because we have known people like you our whole lives and recognize the insanity when it rears it’s ugly head, and, most importantly, because, once we knew it inside and out, we were able to move beyond it, beyond the need for some imaginary friend/benevolent father looking out for us. It’s sad, really, that you are still so mired in this weakness of mind and character that you cannot see it for what it is; delusion.
17 August 2006, on 9:52 am
A fool hath said from his throne, there is no toilet paper.
18 August 2006, on 9:07 am
The Icelanders will kill you if you don’t bathe with them. You folks aren’t far off, you probably would try to get me in a hot spring bathtub with glistening male flesh, ahem,…if you thought you could get away with it. You can eat mayflies sprinkled on a nice bowl of mock gawd soup, but you cannot get the Asian Pear out of season.
A wise man dost knoweth in his heart, there is no God.
18 August 2006, on 9:17 am
Thought 2- the second one in my whole life, you and I are not that much different. What sets us apart is reason, I just don’t have any; what sets us apart is, I have a Mansion, forget the price, ain’t never been there, they tell me it’s nice. You can align with reality here, or wait to meet Him face to face. Sometimes I just flat out say things that make the case for those I’m arguing with. Oh well.
18 August 2006, on 9:19 am
I wonder how many other pests you have changed. I’m sure you are laughing, there was a time when I would have laughed with you- now I am incapable of laughter, dancing, and smoking. Turtle necks will not be mock.
18 August 2006, on 10:42 am
Reality, gawd may not be mocked but you will be- relentlessly, exuberantly, and taunted for a second time. Dumbass.
19 August 2006, on 8:58 am
ok, mock me, if it make you feel better.(okay, it is kinda fun) You are in grave danger.(he has WMDs, or he might, or he doesn’t , fuck it, let’s get him anyway) I have warned you.(and who the fuck are you?) It must be difficult to get thru a day with so much anger.(since when did “mockery” equate to anger?) You have proved by your posts that you are not capable of any kind of meaningful dialog, logic or reasoning-(actually, refusing to bow to your claimed “wisdom” is the meaningful, logical, reasonable course here) so fare thee well. It is pointless(sorry, Oblio) to return to this site to see what you have done to this point, so go ahead and change it, the truth will prevail. I will be praying for you. You can thank me later. (and I will be crushing your head, I’m crushing your head, see? same effect).Bye. Don’t let the doorknob hit you where your good lord split you.
23 August 2006, on 10:07 pm
Above someone said God does not send you to hell. You choose to go there. Oh yeah, Hath not the Potter power over the clay?
Some of us are predestined to Heaven and others to Hell. If you do not experience the 2nd birth before you die, consider yourself created for Hell.
Do remember though, Only God knows what your future holds. If you are not born-again yet and still alive, there is still hope for you.
This life is very short compared to that which is to come.
Glory to God, beyond our understanding.
Melissa
25 August 2006, on 10:02 pm
I have just a few comments:
1) Creation vs. evolution: I recall being taught in school (’60’s-70’s) that apes evolved into Neandertals then Homosapiens, except for a “missing link” which “will be discovered.”
Now-a-days there are TV documentaries that claim Homosapiens wiped out the Neandertals. Well, maybe Homosapiens did not evolve from apes!??! Hmmm…
2) Initial posts referenced the killing of “civilians” or the children. Hezbohla placed those women and children into harm’s way, not Isreal. It is the Islam Fundementalist terror groups that should be the target of everyone’s rage. Those people are evil.
3) Yes, there are alot of believers who feel these are the “end times.” I believe in the Bible and, while I am not a “Bible scholar,” I wish to keep an eye on what is going on, in relation to Biblical revolations. You could say that I am keeping my options open. That sounds like a skeptical christian’s point of view, but oh well…
4) I just read a webpage that mentioned how society has turned away from the “absolute truth” of the Bible and how “relative truth” is taking over.
For ages, the Bible has provided the foundation for our deffinition of good vs. bad. Without a clear reference (that holds consequences) society and the “family unit” appears to be breaking down. Anyone old enough to remember when being gay was a bad thing can understand.
It does not appear to me that the consequences, of breaking the law (man’s law), i.e.: going to jail, is a sufficient deterent to reduce the wrongs that people commit against each other. There was a time when you could leave your house unlocked and, when you returned, your stuff was still there! There was a time when people would help each other and not be in fear of being sued or something.
What I am getting at is: without an agreed upon, permanent set of rules (i.e.: commandments) for what “truth” is, truth becomes a lie. What is right is only right when or if you want it to be. This sounds like a recipe for destruction.
25 August 2006, on 11:53 pm
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24 October 2006, on 9:59 am
Hi I was reading these posts and I see that the posts is to make christians look ridiculous.
I as a christian find it to be disheartening to see death and destruction occuring daily.
If it was not for God
Proseltyzing and threats of hell…
Gawd is concerned
General references to this mysterious “sin” we all have committed
24 October 2006, on 2:16 pm
I am a “Fundie” and I am personally glad you guys are here bashing all who believe as I do. You see, the bible does say that in the last days there will be scoffers. Well here you all are. But the best part is if any of you actually read the Book of Revelation you would see that it is a warning and a call to repent. Since you are all here blaspheming God, his holy book, and his Son (my Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus). I would have to say this – Welcome to the Kingdom. Well, it will be after the rapture and God pours out his wrath on the earth and all you scoffers say to yourselves “Oooops!!! the fundies were right.” But there is still hope for you, provided you don’t just die off or take the mark.
26 October 2006, on 1:04 pm
JOHN LENNON:
Some years ago, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
“Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was OK, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him (1966).” Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, (soon after) was shot six times. you see the Bible warns us of this type of ignorenc it also says that only a fool says there is no God if John Lennon could speak to you scoffers today he would cry with a loud voice Repent! for the day of the Lord Almighty!! is at hand. This is just reminder to you scoffers that NO! one is above God, may God be with you.
26 October 2006, on 1:13 pm
CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005:
In Campinas , a group of friends, all drunk, went to pick up another friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of all her friends that she said to the daughter – holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: “MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU.” She responded: ONLY IF HE (GOD) RIDES IN THE TRUNK, COZ INSIDE HERE its ALREADY FULL.” Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident; everyone had died; the car could not be recognized as to what type of car it was, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact. The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their amazement, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, and none of them were broken.
Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is STILL alive. To you Scoffers God is real dont fool yourselves God is not mocked what ever a man sow that is what he will reap.
26 October 2006, on 1:40 pm
Sherry, Sherry, Sherry. Do yourself a favor and read our posting policies. You’ll find that you’re in violation of a few of them. First of all, I doubt you’ll convince anyone of anything through your John Lennon story. First of all, he was killed about 15 years after the more popular than jizzus controversy. Second of all, you’re not helping your case by incorrectly spelling “ignorance.” That’s the kind of thing that makes you seem, well, ignorant. Also, since John Lennon is dead, he only speaks to people through his music, so your hypothetical won’t be happening.
On to your other story. I got a whole different lesson out of it. The mother, instead of saying “Go with gawd,” should have said “give me the damn keys you drunk bitch.” That would have helped her daughter a lot more than appealing to an invisible sky daddy. Nice tries, though…
26 October 2006, on 6:06 pm
I am a retarded drive-by troll.
26 October 2006, on 6:13 pm
Jackie and Sherry are one in the same IP address.
27 December 2006, on 4:16 pm
What will be your reaction (in your eyes “if” in my eyes “when”) this happens?
27 December 2006, on 5:58 pm
Thomas, no reaction because when we die we are dead and will cease to exist except in the memory of those who knew us. You are making up imaginary scenerios.
It would be like me asking if you would be convinced about the existence of King Anu if the Seven Evil Spirit messengers to came to your city in gusts of wind rising, which cast gloom over the bright day to bring death and destruction to those who did not bow down to him.
27 December 2006, on 6:38 pm
Mine would be, “Thank Thor all those retards are gone. Now we can have some peace in the world.”
28 December 2006, on 3:01 am
Stardust, how could you have no reaction if millions of people disappeared and the only common denominator was that they are Christian? Think about this with some imagination. You’re on a plane from point A to point B and the pilot and co-pilot disappear randomly. That wouldn’t frighten you? Yeah perhaps your liklihood of that happening to you specifically may not be very high, but you can’t deny that the first response would be panic. As for me making up imaginary senerios, I’ve made up nothing. I didn’t write the Bible, nor did I suggest I did. As for my little example, that’s what it is. I’m not saying that it will happen to you, or anyone else in particular, it’s just an example that even without knowing the common denominator is that the people were Christians, if your pilot and co-pilot disappear, you wouldn’t be thinking “nothing.”
And Revenant, how can you have peace in the world if one of it’s largest moral guides is gone? Think about this and use your imagination for a moment. Millions of people vanish, and they are all linked because they’re Christian. This leaves the rest of the world such as Moslem’s, Jewish, and everyone else. If you haven’t noticed Moslem (such as Palestinians and Iranians) and Jewish people are at each other’s throats right now in the world, and it has nothing to do with Christians. When the Christians are gone, those Moslem and Jewish people will still be at each other’s throats.
As for the topic of us Christians being happy about the Rapture, I can’t speak for anyone but myself. I personally am saddened when I hear about people dying. That attack on a Palestinian house killing 18 people not too long ago was horrible. I was sad for not only those that died, but those that lived in the area because they’re living in fear of another attack as such. But on the other hand, I believe in the promise of hope that goes hand-in-hand with the Rapture, and yes, I will be happy about it happening.
28 December 2006, on 1:42 pm
Think about this with some imagination.
Thomas, that is just what your god myth is…IMAGINATION. Stories made up, just like any other ancient mythologies. Don’t you find it interesting that every religion believes their’s to be true? If you were born in Iraq even today, you would most likely be a Muslim. Why would your gawd allow people to continue to be born into other religions and cultures if he already knows that they will be of the “wrong” faith and he will have to send them to a place called hell? Why would a god make evil to choose from in the first place? If you do away with your irrational fears of being zapped, you might just be able to analyze all of the ancient and current mythologies and see just how crazy they all are, including yours. Religion and mythologies are just expressions of human fear of death and events in this world that they cannot control or explain. Religion emphasizes the bad in humanity and causes so much heartache and division amongst people and nations.
I choose a more positive way to live, and choose to look at the good in people and what we can do to try to rid the world of all of it’s ugliness instead of writing if off as the will of a sadistic gawd. It’s a shame that you feel that way about the world and life itself.
28 December 2006, on 1:51 pm
Revenant, how can you have peace in the world if one of it’s largest moral guides is gone?
I will answer this, Thomas if I may, since it is so far back in the archives and small chance that Revenant will look back here.
Morals are necessary guidelines and relative to what each society deems acceptable behavior in order to co-exist; to prevent the spread of disease or deformities, for instance, or for the best interest and safety of a population in general.
Gods myths were built around these morals of various societies, hence the variety in religions and religious doctrines around the world in various cultures. Morals are not cut and dried. Rules of ancient societies are no longer followed today because they are unnecessary and rules for moral behaviors have changed as superstitious thinking and we have become more civilized and knowledgeable about the world we live in.
Example: It was ok to have multiple wives back in ancient times, for instance, but now it is not.
28 December 2006, on 3:42 pm
Thanks Stardust, I get the RSS feed
Moral Guide?? Surely you jest. Where is the morality in Incest, Murder, genocide, rape, etc, which thi babble teaches as sanctioned by gawd? I think the world would be a much better place without such “morals”.
FYI, you don’t use an apostrophe unless you’re talking about the possessive form of a noun. In the case of the plural of moslem, moslems, there is no apostrophe. Perhaps the babble should have had a grammar section. Oh, but that’s right, it wasn’t written so that anyone could read it, only a select few. Now how is it that gawd only wanted some of his creations to know his laws? Isn’t that unfair to the rest of the world? And to the people whom he had the Israelites slaughter because they worshipped other gods.
Your god is a pathetic, murderous, rapacious, pervert.
28 December 2006, on 6:55 pm
Civilized? This world? Not a chance. We’re just as barbaric now if not more so than ever before. You are correct that morals are deemed what is right and wrong within a society, but by your standards, there may come a day that murder is just one of those things that happens and isn’t right or wrong, or rape is condoned or accepted. In fact it seems we’re well on our way there because this war in Iraq has lead to nothing but murder, our the prisons in our country are overflowing because of people who have either murdered, raped, been incestious or have a high probability that they will, and that’s just in the prisons, and has nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion. But who could ever deem the murder of someone a “good moral”? By that way of thinking, we’ll be there in no time.
The problem is, there will never come a time when man can get along with itself. You long for hopes of peace through man made possibilities, but over the entire course of history, has there EVER been a time of peace throughout the entire world? And with our society “changing” it’s moral standards all the time to eventually condone everything under the sun, how could we possibly have hope that we as man can achieve peace? That conflict over in the M.E. between the Palestinians and the Israelites…yeah, has nothing to do with religion. It’s a land battle. Even with every possible religion out of the way (btw, there are religions out there that don’t believe that their’s is the “only way”, take Hinduism for example where they are passive and allow people to worship the god of their choice or be atheists.)
As for why God does what he does and why he set things up the way he did, I can’t even claim to begin to understand. Nor can anyone else. Per the Bible, Lucifer/Satan/The Devil who chose to disobey God is the “father” of evil because he’s the one who leads those to do wrong. And there you go, saying that I said something that I didn’t. When did I ever express fear? I never said I was afraid of the Rapture, or death for that matter.
Rev, perhaps you haven’t read the New Testament lately, but I don’t recall Jesus saying “Go and kill anyone that doesn’t believe in me!” “Go rape and pilage in my name!”…no in fact he says “Love your enemy.” “Do to others what you would have them do to you.” Where is the immorality promoting the love for one another?
As for my grammar, whatever, I’m not perfect and could care less if I slipped and made a mistake. But why is it that with one slip, that you find it a fault and attack me for it? Can you honestly say you’ve never messed up before? I can guarantee with 100% certainty that you have. So cut me some slack.
As for the Bible being written in only a few languages and only a few people being able to read it, how could you explain the one that’s sitting on my desk right now in plain english? It in fact WAS translated into many different languages and is in print or distribution all over the world right now.
You’ve still not truly answered what your reaction would be if millions vanished out of nowhere. There are those special shows on TV that are titled things like “The 10 most possible natural disasters!” and lists off things like Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Meteors, and so on, and can you say that those things wouldn’t even spark your interest?
28 December 2006, on 7:54 pm
As for why God does what he does and why he set things up the way he did, I can’t even claim to begin to understand.
Typical xian pre-programmed response. It’s because gawd is whatever and whomever believers want him to be. If there was an all powerful, omnipotent god, and since it is a matter of life and death, it seems that this god would not rely on little flawed humans to carry such an important message…and so many versions of it.
You’ve still not truly answered what your reaction would be if millions vanished out of nowhere.
Thomas, I did answer that question. I explained that you’ve made up an imaginative little scenerio. I can make up a bunch of little imaginative scenerios and ask you questions “what if?” It proves absolutely nothing and therefore is pointless.
28 December 2006, on 8:05 pm
Thomas, you haven’t yet addressed this:
Don’t you find it interesting that every religion believes their’s to be the true religion? If you were born in Iraq even today, you would most likely be a Muslim. If you were born in India chances are you would be one sect of the Hindu faith. If you are born on an island in the south Pacific you might just be born into some other weird-ass belief system. Why would your gawd allow people to continue to be born into other religions/cults/mythologies and cultures if he already knows that they will be of the “wrong” faith/belief/moral standards and he knows he will have to send them to a place called hell? Why create more people torture and send to eternal torment?
Have you studied ancient mythology at all, Thomas? There are many, many of them. Your religion evolved from some of them.
28 December 2006, on 9:20 pm
Thomas, the phrase is “couldn’t care less”, not “could care less”.
Sure I mess up, but when I do it’s called a typo, and not a grammatical error. If I do make grammatical errors I take correction graciously, instead of begging for slack.
Perhaps you haven’t read the Old Testament lately. Or do you conveniently ignore all the vile hatred poured out by gawd throughout? Not all of what the supposed Jesus said was love and harmony, quite the contrary. But you can choose to ignore those just like you ignore the laws of the old testament that gawd commanded be followed “for all time”, and not until Jesus supposedly rescinded them. Was gawd lying when he set those laws as being required for all time? Answer that.
The bible wasn’t translated, by man, until hundreds and thousands of years later. Why didn’t gawd give his word instantly to all his creation instead of relying on one man with two stone tablets to take it to them. And then he didn’t even get very far before smashing them. Great communications service gawd has there. Either way, it took over a thousand years for his much translated and twisted words to get to other far-reaching places in the world. But even so, gawd had already commanded Moses and Joshua to kill the Canaanites because they worshipped other gods, instead of just converting them (isn’t he all-powerful??). Much better to murder them, women and children included.
No matter what you say, such actions CANNOT be defended. No manner of “gawd works in mysterious ways” can account for that, it’s just a cop-out and you know it. Stop deluding yourself into believing in a fairy tale which has no more credibility than Dr. Seuss stories (and much less believable than same).
28 December 2006, on 9:23 pm
Oh, and yes I have truly answered what my reaction would be. Not that it matters one whit, since it will never happen.
29 December 2006, on 1:21 am
Sheesh!! If the pilot and copilot disappeared? I’d land that plane and keep it. HA.
29 December 2006, on 1:26 am
That was a bit strange…kind of like a Dickensonian “Xmas Carol”, after the fact…complete with ‘ghosts’ of Fundies past…and surprisingly…born again Xtian Zombies of Post Xmas present. Was there anyone named Jacob Marley in the mix?
Just scanning that post, and the comments, from its beginning on July 20th, to the surprising present…brought back so many mixed feelings. Of course, rereading Sean’s comments; and so many others from Marcus, Dat Rat Bastid, Raindog, Eve, Stardust etc. tweaked another emotional mental response from me.
“The more things change…the more they remain the same?”
I was reminded, especially, of my initial reaction of being totally ‘flabbergasted’ at the insanity of the whole notion of finding pleasure in such a warped misunderstanding of existence on this planet. Such implied cruelty…ignorance…rational blindness etc. exhibited by brainwashed believers.
It just keeps cycling through the same insane patterns of thinking.
One word popped out at me a few times…maybe because I had used it…but also Raindogzilla…DELUSION!
I may be wrong, but that was before Richard Dawkins’ book came out. I claim nothing unusual in using the word; but I AM thankful for Dawkins’ releasing his “The God Delusion”, and others, like the books of Sam Harris and Dennett; as well as their very public interviews etc. It takes real courage to coming out ‘big time’ against the prevailing tyranical status quo, and the mind numbing control by the traditionally entrenched religions.
More to the point here, in this post…
Ramen to Stardust and Revenant, for even entering the frey…AGAIN…against such recurring idiocy; in this somewhat almost forgotten, buried in the vaults, relic!…What! Are we in the GifS’ Catacombs?…
As a musician, it reminds me of electronic sequential looping…
II: Stupid, Mindless, Bible bullshit :II (endless repeat)
recurring…over, and over…ad infinitum.
BORING!!!!!!
OK…”Lemme out!” But foist:
I’m still wondering where all those friends are; like RDZ, Marcus, Dat Rat Bastid, yada, yada. It’s almost been a ‘tad’ lonely around here without them.
I’m so glad we have Bob, Old Git, and of course Star and Rev…and others of our persuasion; still hanging in here.
As Rev once remarked to me (?) “Keep on Truckin’”
Thanks to All our friends…
Pardon me, if I keep repeating [boring?]…
Love and Peace to all my atheist cohorts!
29 December 2006, on 1:29 am
Oops…”to come out” [NOT: "to coming out"]
Damn!
Sorry Rev!
29 December 2006, on 2:05 am
Hey Jimmer…I had to come back online to personally acknowledge you…for what it’s worth. I’m always glad to see your great posts and comments.
You’ve always been a real encouragement to all of us here, in sticking together against so much BS.
Somehow, I suspect you may share some of my reactions to returning to this post.
If you’ll Permit me? A simplification?:
Aagh!, Aagh!…
Aargh?
My Highest Regards!
29 December 2006, on 7:57 am
Revenant said [in response to Thomas]
Rev, dear chap, I have immense respect for you, but being the pedant that I am, I simply cannot allow your statement to stand as it is. So, please forgive me if I add the missing words (in bold) that I’m sure you intended:
“Your imaginary; god is a pathetic, murderous, rapacious, pervert, and anyone who claims to believe in it is either a mendacious manipulator or a delusional psychopath!
Which are you, Thomas?
29 December 2006, on 11:01 am
I got lazy
. There were about 50 or 60 other adjectives I could have thrown in there.
29 December 2006, on 12:21 pm
Thnks Chuck and back at you.
I used to wonder why the xians would post a comment on old threads like this. Then it occurred to me that they are simply trying to influence their own people. They post because they believe that they will be the last poster and have the last say. I think they are shocked when we spot them. They really do not stick around much and loose interest in dialogue pretty quickly. But then again I have found that they are not into discussion they are into dictating. God nazis.
29 December 2006, on 12:27 pm
I think they are shocked when we spot them. They really do not stick around much and loose interest in dialogue pretty quickly. But then again I have found that they are not into discussion they are into dictating. God nazis.
jimmer, you are absolutely correct. They think by posting in the archives that they will have the last say for Jeebus…but we have wonderful little watcher options.
Then when we show up for debate, and they have no adequate answers for anything, they run away…or they end up going into their pre-recorded proseltyzing and telling us god loves us and they will pray for us and they end up getting themselves asshatted.
29 December 2006, on 1:43 pm
You know something else I’ve noticed is that up to Nov. the xians were so willing to engage us. Now it seems like maybe the elections took some wind out of their sails. W is not doing so well and more people are coming to grips with how his mental illness has come to be an impediment to the need for coexisistense.
I watch the McLaughlin Report and one of the commentators said that Sam Harris’s book “A Letter to a Christian Nation” was one of the most important books this year. In my opinion this is good news, that many people are willing to read for understanding. That we are making inroads and progress towards being accepted just as we are. The religious are losing their stranglehold and bit by bit they will become more and more irrelevant.
29 December 2006, on 2:57 pm
Stardust, I am a little concerned about this claim you made:
…we have wonderful little watcher options.
…
I thought it was only the invisible sky-daddy who watched over us; him, and, here in the UK, the 3 million CCTV cameras that our fascist and religious leader, Tony ‘God Will Judge Me’ Blair, has had erected to keep an eye on us.
29 December 2006, on 2:58 pm
PS. Forgot to add this…
Thanks again for fixing my html tags!
2 January 2007, on 3:25 am
Hi Guys
Been reading parts of this website. Some of it is good to find what others are saying so thanks for that.
Just for your information I believe in the Bible and Jesus.
The above Christians who are happy about the coming rapture have not read thier Bible and you guys are correct at being unhappy with thier joy with people dying.
No one knows when the rapture will begin. On a purely intellectual reading of the Bible and in particular Revelations, many other things need to occur before that happens.
There are many atheists on this Blog and I assume many use philiosophy and science/reason to support thier belief in that there is no God.
This is good as the Bible tell us to use reason too. Try this one.
1-The universe is eternal says science.
2-Since the universe exists, then it has a cause.
3- This cause exists outside of time, space and laws of physics.
4-Then it is reasonable to assume it is God who sits outside time, space and physics.
Science and reason cannot know what caused the universe. The scientific law of causality and Kalam cosmology principles support theism.
To believe the universe came from nothing without a cause is far greater faith then my faith in the Bible. I cannot have that much faith.
have a great day
alexie
2 January 2007, on 11:00 am
I have trouble accepting such logic flows from someone who can’t spell “their”.
#1. Firstly, I don’t think science necessarily says so. We don’t know. Which is a better answer than a big sky daddy who likes the sweet savour of roasted herbivores when sacrificed in a specific way.
#2. Not enough information to say one way or the other. Again, we don’t know if the universe has a cause.
#3. This I would say is definitely NOT true. There is no reason to think that if the universe “was caused” that such a cause had to occur outside the laws of physics we know today.
#4. Not even worth rebuttal.
2 January 2007, on 11:11 am
Revenant, my patience when talking to these androids is running thin. They don’t read, which doesn’t help the discussion any.
2 January 2007, on 11:14 am
I thought it was only the invisible sky-daddy who watched over us;
Don’t you know that Ron is gawd and we are his little helpers?
The Old Git – You are quite welcome (about fixing the tags)
2 January 2007, on 11:18 am
Sean would be thrilled to know that a thread on one of his posts is nearly up to 300 comments and going strong three months after his passing.
2 January 2007, on 12:50 pm
Stardust:
You’ve been doing it a lot longer than I, but I empathize.
6 January 2007, on 12:57 am
Dear Revenant
I can spell there and thier and they’re, but I just don’t know what form of the word to use and when.
I sippose four yooo a simple typing mistake makes someone dumb. God help you when you make your mistahes then.
As for not accepting the logic I listed above, that is your problem. It is still logical and I ask you to refute it with more logic or evidence. If the universe does not have a cause then it must have always been here. This is against all science as we know it about the Big Bang and the other SCIENTIFIC principles I have already highlighted above.
As for your logic you stated in comment number two that we do not have enough info to say if there was a cause. Then in number three you directly appose your own comment by saying that there is NOT a cause. Huh!
I enjoy discussions with atheists and agnostics in a calm and logical way. If you cannot do that then I may have to seek other persons willing to.
I hop I have not mad anee spalling mistaeks.
Alexie
8 January 2007, on 8:11 pm
Alexie, for spamming us with 11 extremely long comments filled with your religious bullshit you are officially asshatted and banned. Any further comments from you will be automatically trashed. Go play somewhere else.
26 January 2007, on 5:22 pm
(Editor bolded for emphasis on DEATH DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH XIANITY IS A DEATH CULT)
Just out of curiousity, I want to ask some questions to all who don’t believe in Jesus Christ as a “mediator between God and man”. What do you believe will happen to you when it is your “time” to die? What will happen at the moment of your death? Where would you go? At the time of your death, will you cease to exist? If so, how do you know for sure? If you do exist after death, what will happen? Will an angel or your past love ones come to “pick you up” and guide you or will you be on your own by yourself? How can you know for sure what will happen upon your death? All of us die sooner or later, whether at your young age or old, natural or by tragic end, our lives are short here. It would be good to know what happens to us when we are no longer living here in this world. Would you like to know? I sure do.
26 January 2007, on 6:51 pm
Big E
First of all…you have an abnormal obsession with death. Get yourself to a shrink and maybe he can help you to focus on life in the here and now.
A question for you…
If there was a heaven, then why would a god put you here on earth if he really wants his little pets in heaven with him? If that is what this god untimately wants, it would make more sense to just create souls in heaven and bypass all the bullshit here.
What do you believe will happen to you when it is your “time” to die?
Um…we die. Cease to exist. The Big Sleep
What will happen at the moment of your death?
Redundant question, you already asked that.
Where would you go?
Personally, I will be cremated and my ashes strewn across Lake Michigan.
At the time of your death, will you cease to exist?
You got it, genius!
If you do exist after death, what will happen?
Uh oh…not such a genius after all. There is no existence after death. If it makes you feel better to believe so, then do. But we don’t need to believe what you believe to be able to cope with the knowledge of our own inevitable mortality.
All of us die sooner or later,
No shit, Sherlock.
It would be good to know what happens to us when we are no longer living here in this world. Would you like to know? I sure do.
Most of us here are ex-xians. We know all about your afterlife delusions. If you choose to keep deluding yourself in order to cope that is your perogative.
Once again a xian proves that the only reason for their “faith” is because of their magical wish to avoid death, and to feel “special” even if it is in their own minds.
26 January 2007, on 8:06 pm
Another moronic concept. As if there is some great cosmic clock which, if one could read it, would tell them when they’ll get hit by a bus, or die of cancer, or struck by lightning while frolicking in a hot tub with a bunch of female wrestlers…
Ooops!
28 January 2007, on 6:51 pm
Narrow is the way and few are the people who can find it even among those who believe. So I dont blame you for being atheists.
Well, that’s awfully fucking big of you, now isn’t it?
There is no way I or anybody else could reveal God to you atheists so you would know He exists.
Because gods and imaginary friends do not exist except in your own head.
He chooses whom he shall reveal himself to.
What a fucking game-player, jokester your gawd is!
It is His own game, He chooses players, winers and loosers, and I am truly sorry for you guys.
Why would he choose a loser like you then? Shouldn’t you be off in some sanctuary worshipping your imaginary friend?
btw , this site is a complete waste of HD space, erase it and publish free porn instead. It is in fact much more useful.
Why, are you craving a new porn site to jerk off to? We know how you xians love your porn !
15 March 2007, on 8:07 pm
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