Comments on: Atheist http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Lovely at K’vitsh http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-71620 Lovely at K’vitsh Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:48:25 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-71620 [...] A wondeful little piece of video. Please watch. I’m ecstatic to find out Oz is an atheist! [...] [...] A wondeful little piece of video. Please watch. I’m ecstatic to find out Oz is an atheist! [...]

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By: ChuckA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-39259 ChuckA Sat, 01 Jul 2006 05:38:03 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-39259 Stardust1964,...Yeah!...small world! [Of course, for the other members here, this is all completely off topic! My apologies!] A few things pop out, Stardust, from you comments: I'll TRY to keep this relatively short: I'm now 66, and pretty much retired from real active playing. My real 'Trombone' days were mainly in the 1960s into the '70s. I did more 'gigging' with singing and doubling bass guitar [self taught] after that period! I still, always, keep 'in touch' with the trombone ['Pretty decent chops!']. I've also done some private teaching; ...lastly, from 1998-2002 at Beautiful Music, in Downers Grove, IL. I also play [at] a goodly number of other instruments; so, ... besides trombone & baritone horn, I was teaching piano, flute, clarinet, alto sax, C tuba...and even beginner violin!...They also wanted me to teach guitar! YIKES!...["How nuts am I, you ask?"] I may try to do some teaching online; if I can work out the myriad logistics of setting up a Website, and the obvious problems therein! [That's another trip! ...at least it eliminates driving!...and sitting with sneezing students, etc. ...I'll let you know?] Now;...more to the point: First off, when I was at DePaul [1958-1963], Jay Friedman, was studying at Roosevelt College, which is close to the DePaul downtown campus. [Wabash & Jackson] He used to play in the DePaul Symphony and 'hang out' a bit. At that time DePaul's Music school had moved to the Lewis Tower's 5th Floor. It's now, on the Northside campus. Long & short: We were acquainted, and I did some three trombone [casual] ensemble playing with him, and the eventual Lyric Opera bass trombonist, Marty Fako, who also studied at DePaul. I never dreamed that Jay would become the CSO's first trombonist. I almost went the Symphony route, but I was much more into Jazz at that time. [Stan Kenton, Woody Herman, etc.] The only 'name' bands I worked with were Les Elgart, Claude Thornhill; it was more a College proms, and 'haphazard' ballroom style shtick in those days; and gigs like the Roseland Ballroom in NY, with Jimmy Featherstone ["Jimmy who's stoned?"],...the stuff which was dying out in the '60s! Several years ago, I emailed a 'hello' note to Freidman's website; but never received a reply. [He's too high class now, I guess!] I'll leave off, for now. If interested, I guess we could exchange emails sometime down the road. Anyway, thanks for the response. Best wishes to your son and daughter in their musical careers; needless to say: "It ain't easy in the Arts!" [I'm way out of touch with the current faculty at DePaul; and for that matter, what's happening with the CSO! I go back to the days of the CSO with Fritz Reiner as conductor. I also, while I was a student, worked for WGN-TV as a 'page' in those days; when they broadcast some marvelous CSO live concerts. "Be Well!" [What! ...to sorta quote 'Dubya' regarding posting: "This is Hard Work!"] Stardust1964,…Yeah!…small world!
[Of course, for the other members here, this is all completely off topic! My apologies!]
A few things pop out, Stardust, from you comments:
I’ll TRY to keep this relatively short:
I’m now 66, and pretty much retired from real active playing. My real ‘Trombone’ days were mainly in the 1960s into the ’70s. I did more ‘gigging’ with singing and doubling bass guitar [self taught] after that period! I still, always, keep ‘in touch’ with the trombone ['Pretty decent chops!']. I’ve also done some private teaching; …lastly, from 1998-2002 at Beautiful Music, in Downers Grove, IL. I also play [at] a goodly number of other instruments; so, … besides trombone & baritone horn, I was teaching piano, flute, clarinet, alto sax, C tuba…and even beginner violin!…They also wanted me to teach guitar! YIKES!…["How nuts am I, you ask?"]
I may try to do some teaching online; if I can work out the myriad logistics of setting up a Website, and the obvious problems therein!
[That's another trip! ...at least it eliminates driving!...and sitting with sneezing students, etc. ...I'll let you know?]
Now;…more to the point:
First off, when I was at DePaul [1958-1963], Jay Friedman, was studying at Roosevelt College, which is close to the DePaul downtown campus. [Wabash & Jackson] He used to play in the DePaul Symphony and ‘hang out’ a bit. At that time DePaul’s Music school had moved to the Lewis Tower’s 5th Floor. It’s now, on the Northside campus.
Long & short: We were acquainted, and I did some three trombone [casual] ensemble playing with him, and the eventual Lyric Opera bass trombonist, Marty Fako, who also studied at DePaul. I never dreamed that Jay would become the CSO’s first trombonist. I almost went the Symphony route, but I was much more into Jazz at that time. [Stan Kenton, Woody Herman, etc.] The only ‘name’ bands I worked with were Les Elgart, Claude Thornhill; it was more a College proms, and ‘haphazard’ ballroom style shtick in those days; and gigs like the Roseland Ballroom in NY, with Jimmy Featherstone ["Jimmy who's stoned?"],…the stuff which was dying out in the ’60s! Several years ago, I emailed a ‘hello’ note to Freidman’s website; but never received a reply. [He's too high class now, I guess!]
I’ll leave off, for now. If interested, I guess we could exchange emails sometime down the road. Anyway, thanks for the response. Best wishes to your son and daughter in their musical careers; needless to say: “It ain’t easy in the Arts!”
[I'm way out of touch with the current faculty at DePaul; and for that matter, what's happening with the CSO! I go back to the days of the CSO with Fritz Reiner as conductor. I also, while I was a student, worked for WGN-TV as a 'page' in those days; when they broadcast some marvelous CSO live concerts.
"Be Well!"
[What! ...to sorta quote 'Dubya' regarding posting: "This is Hard Work!"]

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By: stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-39180 stardust Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:34:05 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-39180 <i>Star: important clarification. Richard Dawkins is an English scientist. Richard Dawson used to host the TV game show “Family Feud.”</i> Sorry...typo brain fart. It's been one of those days. I will fix it, thanks for pointing it out and thanks for turning it into a funny mistake! LOL! Star: important clarification. Richard Dawkins is an English scientist. Richard Dawson used to host the TV game show “Family Feud.”

Sorry…typo brain fart. It’s been one of those days. I will fix it, thanks for pointing it out and thanks for turning it into a funny mistake! LOL!

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By: Sean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-39176 Sean Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:23:39 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-39176 Star: important clarification. Richard <i>Dawkins</i> is an English scientist. Richard <i>Dawson</i> used to host the TV game show "Family Feud." Hey, there's an idea. Let's get Richard Dawkins' family and Jerry Fallwell's family on that show and see which group has more brainz. Star: important clarification. Richard Dawkins is an English scientist. Richard Dawson used to host the TV game show “Family Feud.”

Hey, there’s an idea. Let’s get Richard Dawkins’ family and Jerry Fallwell’s family on that show and see which group has more brainz.

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By: stardust http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-39168 stardust Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:52:50 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-39168 <i>Stupid people are much easier to control as are people who are more inclined to the emotions of faith as opposed to the facts of reason. Emotion clouds logic.</i> And stupid brainwashed people fork over their money easier and in larger quantities. The facilities of that cult center in Colorado shown on the Dawkins video Jimmer provided the link for above, didn't get there by the snapping of the fingers of the great sky daddy. It came out of people's pockets. Money that could have gone to take their families on a nice vacation, home repairs, helping the poor, feeding the homeless...and so on. It's pure greed. I remember when Robert Schuller's "Crystal Cathedral" was being built and he was on television begging for money to build his "dream"...my father would say what a THIEF the man was and how he was doing that for his OWN glory, not for the glory of his gawd. These pastors in charge are into glorifying THEMSELVES. That guy on the Dawkins video is an arrogant prick. (Ironic he keeps saying that Dawkins is arrogant, when he is so full of himself.) (fixed Dawkins name sp-thanks Sean for pointing that out.) Stupid people are much easier to control as are people who are more inclined to the emotions of faith as opposed to the facts of reason. Emotion clouds logic.

And stupid brainwashed people fork over their money easier and in larger quantities. The facilities of that cult center in Colorado shown on the Dawkins video Jimmer provided the link for above, didn’t get there by the snapping of the fingers of the great sky daddy. It came out of people’s pockets. Money that could have gone to take their families on a nice vacation, home repairs, helping the poor, feeding the homeless…and so on. It’s pure greed. I remember when Robert Schuller’s “Crystal Cathedral” was being built and he was on television begging for money to build his “dream”…my father would say what a THIEF the man was and how he was doing that for his OWN glory, not for the glory of his gawd. These pastors in charge are into glorifying THEMSELVES. That guy on the Dawkins video is an arrogant prick. (Ironic he keeps saying that Dawkins is arrogant, when he is so full of himself.)

(fixed Dawkins name sp-thanks Sean for pointing that out.)

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By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-39162 Eve Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:55:09 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-39162 You too, Lurch! You too, Lurch!

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By: lurch http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-39157 lurch Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:21:25 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-39157 From Stardust: <i>The evangelical guy who runs ‘Six Flags over Jeebus’(my name for it) in Colorado is a real asshole. And the way he “orders” people to respond, and they all say what he says to say in unison like a bunch of robots shows the power of brainwashing techniques.</i> At the worst end of the theist group-think-mind-control spectrum they become frightening cults and I think it is time our culture starts acknowledging that somehow. What is the difference between drinking the Kool-Aid and believing the world really was created in 7 days, other than one is immediately fatal. Both are stupid and any group that wants you to be stupid qualifies as a cult in my book. Stupid people are much easier to control as are people who are more inclined to the emotions of faith as opposed to the facts of reason. Emotion clouds logic. To get away from cults people need to go through some sort of deprogramming. Some friends of mine go to church but freely admit they don’t believe in any of the fundamental tenets. They go mostly so their kids can take part in the youth programs and for some of the social aspects, which I can understand. There really is nothing comparable on the non-theist side of things. Not on a global scale. Brief Tangent: One of my fave shows is PBS’ “Mental Engineering” where Host John Forde and a guest panel “vivisect” TV commercials. During a discussion of a Lockheed Martin commercial which posited that Freedom was most important, host Forde mentioned recent physiological research that found that “belonging” was the single most important thing for people, even above freedom. If that is true it would further illuminate the hold religion has had on people through the ages. The need for “belonging” might also explain your friend’s return to the church, Lynda. At this point I think the best thing individuals can do is discuss their non-theist beliefs publicly, like Stardust and her hubby. I am getting braver. The other day a Jehovah’s Witness came to the door and tried to give me a pamphlet, I was very courteous but explained that I was a committed Atheist and he should save the pamphlet for someone else. He came right back with, “Don’t you want something better?” and I responded, “Yes, I work everyday for something better, for me, my friends and everyone else - even Jehovah’s Witnesses. But I don’t rely on mythology.” He left shortly after that and I could tell he was not used to that sort of comment. Can you imagine Atheists going door-to-door? I hope everyone has a happy and safe holiday! From Stardust: The evangelical guy who runs ‘Six Flags over Jeebus’(my name for it) in Colorado is a real asshole. And the way he “orders” people to respond, and they all say what he says to say in unison like a bunch of robots shows the power of brainwashing techniques.

At the worst end of the theist group-think-mind-control spectrum they become frightening cults and I think it is time our culture starts acknowledging that somehow. What is the difference between drinking the Kool-Aid and believing the world really was created in 7 days, other than one is immediately fatal. Both are stupid and any group that wants you to be stupid qualifies as a cult in my book. Stupid people are much easier to control as are people who are more inclined to the emotions of faith as opposed to the facts of reason. Emotion clouds logic.

To get away from cults people need to go through some sort of deprogramming.

Some friends of mine go to church but freely admit they don’t believe in any of the fundamental tenets. They go mostly so their kids can take part in the youth programs and for some of the social aspects, which I can understand. There really is nothing comparable on the non-theist side of things. Not on a global scale.

Brief Tangent: One of my fave shows is PBS’ “Mental Engineering” where Host John Forde and a guest panel “vivisect” TV commercials. During a discussion of a Lockheed Martin commercial which posited that Freedom was most important, host Forde mentioned recent physiological research that found that “belonging” was the single most important thing for people, even above freedom. If that is true it would further illuminate the hold religion has had on people through the ages. The need for “belonging” might also explain your friend’s return to the church, Lynda.

At this point I think the best thing individuals can do is discuss their non-theist beliefs publicly, like Stardust and her hubby. I am getting braver. The other day a Jehovah’s Witness came to the door and tried to give me a pamphlet, I was very courteous but explained that I was a committed Atheist and he should save the pamphlet for someone else. He came right back with, “Don’t you want something better?” and I responded, “Yes, I work everyday for something better, for me, my friends and everyone else – even Jehovah’s Witnesses. But I don’t rely on mythology.” He left shortly after that and I could tell he was not used to that sort of comment. Can you imagine Atheists going door-to-door?

I hope everyone has a happy and safe holiday!

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By: ChuckA http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-39112 ChuckA Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:34:27 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/29/atheist/#comment-39112 Quick addendum: My last gig at Sears Tower was July 9, 2005. Quick addendum: My last gig at Sears Tower was July 9, 2005.

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