Comments on: Altruism http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: P.C. http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-43733 P.C. Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:52:15 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-43733 Sean said : "I don’t want to be a nihilist." I try not to be pessimistic about my world view and the future. I am a total scifi freak that loves Gene Roddenberry and what he concieved within Star Trek. I have always been a fan of that show and its followers, these gave me hope as a child and still do to this day that one day things may be like that. Sean said : “I don’t want to be a nihilist.”

I try not to be pessimistic about my world view and the future. I am a total scifi freak that loves Gene Roddenberry and what he concieved within Star Trek. I have always been a fan of that show and its followers, these gave me hope as a child and still do to this day that one day things may be like that.

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By: Sean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-43701 Sean Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:08:35 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-43701 <blockquote>V: A building is a symbol, as is the act of destroying it. Symbols are given power by people. A symbol, in and of itself is powerless, but with enough people behind it, blowing up a building can change the world. Evey Hammond: I wish I could believe that was possible, but every time I've seen this world change, it's always been for the worse.</blockquote>

V: A building is a symbol, as is the act of destroying it. Symbols are given power by people. A symbol, in and of itself is powerless, but with enough people behind it, blowing up a building can change the world.

Evey Hammond: I wish I could believe that was possible, but every time I’ve seen this world change, it’s always been for the worse.

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By: Sean http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-40623 Sean Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:21:44 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-40623 P.C.: Sorry for the delayed response. Great comment. I'm pretty sure I have actually read about Jacklyn Harrell Lucas before, in books that discuss the very subject at hand. The story rings a loud bell. Here it is on <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/jacklyn-h-lucas" rel="nofollow">Answers.com</a>. Very cool that you got to interview him. I was playing devil's advocate, of course. I still believe there is such a thing as altruism. Does that make me some kind of a blind "believer" or delusional? I don't know, but I know I don't want to be a nihilist. I mean, shit, we atheists need <i>something</i> to believe in, right? I choose the better side of the human animal. P.C.: Sorry for the delayed response. Great comment. I’m pretty sure I have actually read about Jacklyn Harrell Lucas before, in books that discuss the very subject at hand. The story rings a loud bell. Here it is on Answers.com. Very cool that you got to interview him.

I was playing devil’s advocate, of course. I still believe there is such a thing as altruism.

Does that make me some kind of a blind “believer” or delusional? I don’t know, but I know I don’t want to be a nihilist. I mean, shit, we atheists need something to believe in, right? I choose the better side of the human animal.

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By: Eve http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-39165 Eve Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:07:00 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-39165 Great interview, P.C. Great interview, P.C.

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By: jimmer http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-38801 jimmer Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:36:16 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-38801 Thanks PC Thanks PC

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By: skribb http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-38557 skribb Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:12:29 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-38557 I'm sorry all; I wrote this loooong post and then, upon sumbission, WordPress said the database was down. Cool. Maybe I'll rewrite (what I remember) some other time. I’m sorry all; I wrote this loooong post and then, upon sumbission, WordPress said the database was down. Cool.

Maybe I’ll rewrite (what I remember) some other time.

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By: P.C. http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-38524 P.C. Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:25:14 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-38524 I am going to add that to this day Mr. Lucas has the sand of Iwo Jima permanently embedded into his skin, I have seen it. He is a very nice man and very interesting to talk to. This was one of the best interviews I have been a part of. I am going to add that to this day Mr. Lucas has the sand of Iwo Jima permanently embedded into his skin, I have seen it. He is a very nice man and very interesting to talk to. This was one of the best interviews I have been a part of.

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By: P.C. http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/comment-page-1/#comment-38522 P.C. Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:20:05 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/06/27/altruism/#comment-38522 Sean said: "Can anybody name a single, documented incident of human altruism?" I can give a number of documented accounts for you Sean, but I will only list one. This man I have met and interviewed. Forgive the long post and please take the time to read it. Private First Class Jacklyn Harrell Lucas earned the Medal of Honor during the Iwo Jima campaign for unhesitatingly hurling himself over his comrades upon one grenade and for pulling another one under himself, absorbing the whole blasting force of the explosions with his own body. Private First Class Lucas, the youngest Marine ever to receive the nation's highest military decoration, was presented the award by President Harry S. Truman at the White House on Friday, 5 October 1945. Jacklyn Harrell Lucas was born in Plymouth, North Carolina, 14 February 1928. He attended high school at nearby Salemburg and was captain of the football team. He was an all-around sportsman, also taking part in baseball, softball, basketball, boxing, wrestling, horseback riding, trap and skeet shooting, and hunting. Although only 14 years of age, five feet, five and one half inches high, weighing 158 pounds, he enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve with his mother's consent on 6 August 1942. He gave his age as 17, and went to Parris Island, South Carolina, for recruit training. During his rifle training Pvt Lucas qualified as a sharpshooter. He was next assigned to the Marine Barracks, U.S. Naval Air Station, Jacksonville, Florida. In June 1943 he was transferred to the 21st Replacement Battalion at New River, North Carolina, and one month later he went to the 25th Replacement Battalion, where he successfully completed schooling which qualified him as a heavy machine gun crewman. He left the United States on 4 November 1943, and the following month he joined the 6th Base Depot of the V Amphibious Corps at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. He was advanced to private first class on 29 January 1944. With statements to his buddies that he was going to join a combat organization, PFC Lucas walked out of camp on 10 January 1945, wearing a khaki uniform and carrying his dungarees and field shoes in a roll under his arm. He was declared absent without leave (AWOL) when he failed to return that night and a month later, when there was still no sign of him, he was declared a "deserter," and a reward offered for his apprehension. He was also reduced to the rank of private at that time. He stowed away on board the USS Deuel which was transporting units of the 5th Marine Division into combat. He surrendered to the senior troop officer present on 8 February dressed in neat, clean dungarees. He was allowed to remain, and shortly after he was transferred to Headquarters Company, 5th Marine Division. He reached his 17th birthday while at sea, six days before he earned the Medal of Honor. On the day following the landing at Iwo Jima, he was creeping through a twisting ravine with three other men of his rifle team when the Japanese opened a hand grenade attack on them. The men jumped into two shallow foxholes. A grenade landed in Pvt Lucas' foxhole and he threw his body over it. Another one came hurtling in, and he reached out and pulled it beneath himself shortly before the explosion occurred, which lifted him off the ground and blew parts of his clothing into the air. He was left for dead by his companions, although he was miraculously still alive. Severely wounded in the right arm and wrist, right leg and thigh, and chest, Pvt Lucas had undoubtedly saved his companions from serious injury and possible death. He was evacuated and treated at various field hospitals prior to his arrival at San Francisco, California, 28 March 1945. The mark of desertion was removed from his record in August of that year while he was a patient at the U.S. Naval Hospital at Charleston, South Carolina. He was discharged from the Marine Corps Reserve because of disability resulting from his wounds on 18 September 1945, following his reappointment to the rank of private first class. In addition to the Medal of Honor, PFC Lucas was awarded the Purple Heart; Presidential Unit Citation; Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with one bronze star; American Campaign Medal and the World War II Victory Medal. Sean said: “Can anybody name a single, documented incident of human altruism?”

I can give a number of documented accounts for you Sean, but I will only list one. This man I have met and interviewed. Forgive the long post and please take the time to read it.

Private First Class Jacklyn Harrell Lucas earned the Medal of Honor during the Iwo Jima campaign for unhesitatingly hurling himself over his comrades upon one grenade and for pulling another one under himself, absorbing the whole blasting force of the explosions with his own body.

Private First Class Lucas, the youngest Marine ever to receive the nation’s highest military decoration, was presented the award by President Harry S. Truman at the White House on Friday, 5 October 1945.

Jacklyn Harrell Lucas was born in Plymouth, North Carolina, 14 February 1928. He attended high school at nearby Salemburg and was captain of the football team. He was an all-around sportsman, also taking part in baseball, softball, basketball, boxing, wrestling, horseback riding, trap and skeet shooting, and hunting.

Although only 14 years of age, five feet, five and one half inches high, weighing 158 pounds, he enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve with his mother’s consent on 6 August 1942. He gave his age as 17, and went to Parris Island, South Carolina, for recruit training.

During his rifle training Pvt Lucas qualified as a sharpshooter. He was next assigned to the Marine Barracks, U.S. Naval Air Station, Jacksonville, Florida. In June 1943 he was transferred to the 21st Replacement Battalion at New River, North Carolina, and one month later he went to the 25th Replacement Battalion, where he successfully completed schooling which qualified him as a heavy machine gun crewman.

He left the United States on 4 November 1943, and the following month he joined the 6th Base Depot of the V Amphibious Corps at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. He was advanced to private first class on 29 January 1944.

With statements to his buddies that he was going to join a combat organization, PFC Lucas walked out of camp on 10 January 1945, wearing a khaki uniform and carrying his dungarees and field shoes in a roll under his arm.

He was declared absent without leave (AWOL) when he failed to return that night and a month later, when there was still no sign of him, he was declared a “deserter,” and a reward offered for his apprehension. He was also reduced to the rank of private at that time.

He stowed away on board the USS Deuel which was transporting units of the 5th Marine Division into combat. He surrendered to the senior troop officer present on 8 February dressed in neat, clean dungarees. He was allowed to remain, and shortly after he was transferred to Headquarters Company, 5th Marine Division. He reached his 17th birthday while at sea, six days before he earned the Medal of Honor.

On the day following the landing at Iwo Jima, he was creeping through a twisting ravine with three other men of his rifle team when the Japanese opened a hand grenade attack on them. The men jumped into two shallow foxholes. A grenade landed in Pvt Lucas’ foxhole and he threw his body over it. Another one came hurtling in, and he reached out and pulled it beneath himself shortly before the explosion occurred, which lifted him off the ground and blew parts of his clothing into the air.

He was left for dead by his companions, although he was miraculously still alive. Severely wounded in the right arm and wrist, right leg and thigh, and chest, Pvt Lucas had undoubtedly saved his companions from serious injury and possible death.

He was evacuated and treated at various field hospitals prior to his arrival at San Francisco, California, 28 March 1945. The mark of desertion was removed from his record in August of that year while he was a patient at the U.S. Naval Hospital at Charleston, South Carolina.

He was discharged from the Marine Corps Reserve because of disability resulting from his wounds on 18 September 1945, following his reappointment to the rank of private first class.

In addition to the Medal of Honor, PFC Lucas was awarded the Purple Heart; Presidential Unit Citation; Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with one bronze star; American Campaign Medal and the World War II Victory Medal.

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