Why do we spend so much time talking about god?
10 May 2006 by Stardust
I have been asked on several occasions, and I have read comments on this blog and other places why some atheists spend so much time thinking and talking about god.
Zach, for instance wrote, ” . . .I was just stating the fact that you spend quite a lot of time writing about God”
So, why do we spend so much time talking about god and write blogs against religious superstition while promoting freethought and reason? Because history has proven time and time again what happens when religion is not kept in check. If religious fanatics of any religion get out of hand, atrocities happen. There have been a few cases where atheist dictators commit atrocities, however, these lunatics made themselves to be almost like religious icons to be revered and worshipped.
People like Olga and Rolie Acot who believe demons and devils exist cannot simply be brushed off as harmless loonies. These are the types of people who sent many innocent men, women and children to their deaths at the stake or gallows for imagined crimes.
In her article, Early American horror show, Laura Miller writes: “Salem, . . . is a challenge to everyone, whether on the left or the right, who sentimentalizes or idealizes the Way Things Used to Be. Feeling nostalgic for the peace and safety of small town life? Convinced that what the world needs now is a return to Christian values? Think that the trouble with contemporary society is that we’ve lost our sense of community? Well, Salem was a small town, as Christian as they come, and it’s got to be Exhibit A on the list of what sucks about living in a place where everybody knows your name.”
Elizabeth Cady Stanton, “The Christian Church and Women” in 1888 wrote:
“For the supposed crimes of heresy and witchcraft, hundreds of women endured such persecutions and tortures that the most stolid historians are said to have wept in recording them; and no one can read them to-day but with a bleeding heart. And, as the Christian Church grew stronger, woman’s fate grew more helpless. Even the Reformation and Protestantism brought no relief, the clergy being all along their most bitter persecutors, the inventors of the most infernal tortures. Hundreds and hundreds of fair young girls, innocent as the angels in heaven, hundreds and hundreds of old women, weary and trembling with the burdens of life, were hunted down by emissaries of the Church, dragged into the courts with the ablest judges and lawyers of England, Scotland and America on the bench, and tried for crimes that never existed but in the wild, fanatical imaginations of religious devotees. Women were accused of consorting with devils and perpetuating their diabolical propensities. Hundreds of these children of hypothetical origin were drowned, burned, and tortured in the presence of their mothers, to add to their death agonies. These things were not done by savages or pagans: they were done by the Church. Neither were they confined to the Dark Ages, but permitted by law in England far into the eighteenth century. The clergy everywhere sustained witchcraft as Bible doctrine, until the spirit of rationalism laughed the whole thing to scorn, and science gave mankind a more cheerful view of life.”
This is why we keep talking about superstitious god beliefs. This is why we have blogs, and movements to keep over-zealous, delusional fanatics from taking proselytizing their beliefs to the next step…to keep them from taking those steps backwards and to prevent history from repeating itself.
10 May 2006, on 2:39 am
I appreciate you mentioning this trend, Star. It is such a “believer-centric” way of looking at what this site is about and the motivation we atheists feel to speak out.
We don’t talk about “god”. We talk about the suckers that believe in god. Look at the damn NAME OF THE WEBSITE. Sheesh.
We speak out so that the hypocrisy, oppression, and lies of the conservative xian community that dreams of a theocratic US can be looked at in a rational light.
To be analyzed and openly discussed.
To be treated with the kind of enthusiastic skepticism that one’s chosen code of behavior and ethics should be treated.
I’ve been meaning to raise a question about the xian theocracy argument – what would that world look like? And what would realistically happen were that government ever to take power?
I think we’ve seen clear examples of what would most likely happen – like Afghanistan and Iraq, when secular(ish) power is removed, the vaccuum is filled with fervent, religion-fueled sectarian violence.
Once the believers’ perceived obstacle of “godless rule” is gone, let the in-fighting and warlord-states begin!
Because when you put the “right” leaders in power and miracles don’t happen (gasp!), the “not a true xian” excuses will be flung and the only final word among moralist thugs is violence.
The fantasy of the “one, true theocracy” quickly becomes disaster when looked at with a rational mind.
So does everything else in the wacky world of supernatural sky-daddy lovin’.
Sorry if I’ve hijacked the thread. But it seems that one of the reasons intelligent dissent has become so vocal – why we’re so “angry” and why we “talk about god” so much – is that we see the rise of fundamentalist blind faith and the marginalization of reason and science as fundamentally wrong.
And worth fighting to preserve.
But unlike others we could mention, we don’t make personal death threats to those we disagree with, or lie in wait to assassinate them, or harrass them publicly for doing things we diagree with. (cough – operation rescue – cough)
We just make a better argument for why we’re right.
And we’ll keep doing it.
Rock on, GifSters.
10 May 2006, on 2:42 am
Uh… that should read:
“And reason and science are worth fighting to preserve.”
Ooops. Hope that didn’t throw anybody.
10 May 2006, on 4:41 am
I don’t talk about any god. I talk about the belief systems which are so flawed and clearly man-made.
10 May 2006, on 6:02 am
I believe this is a good summary of my own attitude; however, while it is fun to slam the foolish Christians who come around here it is only just so much beating one’s head against a wall. To me, the real benefit of talking about all this religious nonsense and pointing out fallacies is to make it accessible to those who are doubting or beginning to doubt the theology that they are indoctrinated into.
The more we talk about the ridiculousness of belief, the every so slightly more “acceptable” it becomes in society. Personally, I’ve become much more comfortable in discussing my lack of belief in my day-to-day interactions. I’ve always been a non-believer but in my teens and early adult life I rationalized religious belief in others by assuming that they’re really mostly harmless.
In the last decade or so exposure to Dawkins, Sagan and others has modified my stance on religious people to simple-mindedness and a lack of understanding when I’m being generous, to borderline hostility when I’m particularly peeved at yet another religious freak justifying attrocities with theology.
Anyway, I’m babbling here, but as Simon says above, I don’t talk about God as much as I talk about man’s ludicrous systems of faith. There’s no magic cure for religious foolishness. We can only keep discussing religious flaws and hope for a slow migration away from belief. Removing the scurge of theology from human existance isn’t going to happen anytime soon, but we can do our small part to make non-belief acceptable.
10 May 2006, on 6:36 am
Heh. Funny stuff: See the “Painfully Funny” entry
http://cosmicvariance.com/
10 May 2006, on 8:02 am
Great post, Star. I have been dealing with this issue internally myself. It all has to do with them trying to bully us back into discussing morality and culture on their terms. No, we’re not arguing with your imaginary god… We’re arguing with YOU.
The irony is that they often use David and Goliath as an allegory. The reality is, in today’s culture, we are David and they are Goliath.
I am sick of having moral discussions on their terms, aren’t you?
My final statement to the BattleCryBabies touched on this:
10 May 2006, on 9:43 am
am sick of having moral discussions on their terms, aren’t you?
Sean, I sure am growing weary of it. I am weary of answering their same stupid questions just because they are too lazy to read what people write before they spew forth their programmed rhetoric. It’s like talking to a bunch of Teddy Ruxpins! They just babble on and on while one tries to get them to at least read and consider another point of view. I can only imagine how those women felt when on trial for witchcraft and unjustly burned at the stake or hanged. Movies about it upset me greatly because I can empathyze with the overwhelming indignation they must have experienced. And this kind of injustice still happens in modern times at the hands of ignorant and superstitious people (beheadings in Iraq for instance, and Sean’s post on genital mutilation above.)
Sean your final statement to the Battlecrybabies is excellent…WE have read it, but most xians, and especially the illiterate ones who have commented obviously haven’t read it and won’t. And this is the mentality of the religious oppressors who kill and torture in the name of whatever gawd they believe in.
10 May 2006, on 2:50 pm
Hi how are you guys?
I’m glad to see that you made a post about this, because I was curious. Thanks for explaining it!
“This is why we keep talking about superstitious god beliefs. This is why we have blogs, and movements to keep over-zealous, delusional fanatics from taking proselytizing their beliefs to the next step…to keep them from taking those steps backwards and to prevent history from repeating itself.”
Your actually very nice people to do that for us. We really need someone to prevent atrocities from happening by keeping us religious freaks under control. People who are “free to shape your own morality, live by your own code — and reward yourself when you do good not based on some ancient book of dietary rules, but on your own merits and quality of character.” That’s what im talking about! Shaping your own moral code, so that you can go and slaughter innocent people for fun
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Remember, Christians think like this: “this is the mentality of the religious oppressors who kill and torture in the name of whatever gawd they believe in.” not Athiests.
Athiests, when they commit these horrible atrocities, are obviously becoming involved in some crazy religious sect.
“There have been a few cases where atheist dictators commit atrocities, however, these lunatics made themselves to be almost like religious icons to be revered and worshipped.”
They can’t have done that through their own moral code. No… it was the fault of those stupid stupid religious people.
“Sean, I sure am growing weary of it. I am weary of answering their same stupid questions just because they are too lazy to read what people write before they spew forth their programmed rhetoric. It’s like talking to a bunch of Teddy Ruxpins! They just babble on and on while one tries to get them to at least read and consider another point of view. I can only imagine how those women felt when on trial for witchcraft and unjustly burned at the stake or hanged. Movies about it upset me greatly because I can empathyze with the overwhelming indignation they must have experienced. And this kind of injustice still happens in modern times at the hands of ignorant and superstitious people (beheadings in Iraq for instance, and Sean’s post on genital mutilation above.)”
You need to stop these Religious people. They are the cause of all this pain. Atheists do not commit these acts, Religious fanaticts do these things. They won’t listen to you, and they keep hanging people and mutilating genitals and all these horrible things… but why? WHY do they do these horrible things? Wait… what… what are horrible things? And why do you care? Morality? Sheesh.. you make your own Morality. So why do care so much about these people in AFRICA who live far away from you? Why do you care about Salem? Why do you care about Christians? Because they might “go out of control” and hurt you? But what do you care, everyone should have their own moral code. Sorry, I should stop talking about Morality. Even though thats what all these posts are about right? You run all this stuff about how a belief in god causes all these problems, yet when I want to talk about Morality you are “sick of having moral discussions on their terms, aren’t you?” Let’s talk about your Moral code then. Let’s be on YOUR level of morality. What is it and why does it matter, since we are all just going to die and go no where anyway. Why can’t I hang people or mutilate genitles? Give me one good reason, because as an Athiest you don’t need to care about these things. You make your own moral code, remember?
10 May 2006, on 3:00 pm
“That’s what im talking about! Shaping your own moral code, so that you can go and slaughter innocent people for fun”
So, would this underhanded, deceitful, asinine “pretend to be nice while saying complete lies” approach make Jesus proud?
“They can’t have done that through their own moral code. No… it was the fault of those stupid stupid religious people.”
You didn’t even read it, did you.
“WHY do they do these horrible things? Wait… what… what are horrible things? And why do you care? Morality? Sheesh.. you make your own Morality. So why do care so much about these people in AFRICA who live far away from you?”
Human decency. As there is no god to help, we must help each other. Your “moral” code is self-serving – do good things so you can go to heaven.
“ Why do you care about Salem?”
See above
“Why do you care about Christians?”
See above.
“ Because they might “go out of control” and hurt you?”
Isn’t that what the whole “war on terror” is based on?
“ But what do you care, everyone should have their own moral code. Sorry, I should stop talking about Morality.”
OH, I get it. You think no god=no morals. Poor thing. I’m sorry, I gave you too much credit. I thought despite the bullshit you were actually trying to learn something Instead, you’re just another pathetic coward liar for Jesus. how typical.
“Let’s talk about your Moral code then. Let’s be on YOUR level of morality. What is it and why does it matter, since we are all just going to die and go no where anyway.”
That’s exactly why it matters. I’m willing to bet you don’t do jack shit for your fellow human beings. But, even if you do – unlike you, I don’t expect to be rewarded for all my volunteer work. We must help because this is the only chance we have. We must help because there is not sky-daddy to fix things.
“ Why can’t I hang people or mutilate genitles?”
Would you want it done to you?
“Give me one good reason, because as an Athiest you don’t need to care about these things. You make your own moral code, remember?”
Poor Zach. I pity stupidity this severe. Why wouldn’t we need to care? Why, in the absence of a selfish “get me to heaven” pseudo-moral code would we not care?
10 May 2006, on 3:20 pm
Zach: Let’s talk about your Moral code then. Let’s be on YOUR level of morality. What is it and why does it matter, since we are all just going to die and go no where anyway. Why can’t I hang people or mutilate genitles? Give me one good reason, because as an Athiest you don’t need to care about these things.
Empathy
10 May 2006, on 3:23 pm
What exactly is your definition of christianity? Not your bias definition but your term definition.
And what exactly is atheism?
10 May 2006, on 3:26 pm
First of all, I love how you insult me. Thanks for showing me just how kind Athiests are, and thanks for showing me exactly how much you care about me and want me to “open my eyes” to your wonderful free thought. Really great way to go about it, by calling me a Liar and:
“You’re just another pathetic coward liar for Jesus” and “I’m willing to bet you don’t do jack shit for your fellow human beings.” Sorry, could you give me a comprehensive list of all things you have done for humans? I don’t do “good works” to get to heaven, you insult me for not reading your posts but you don’t even know what the basis of the Christian religion is? Only way to heaven: Belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. Sorry to point out that doing good works won’t get you into heaven.
“Poor Zach. I pity stupidity this severe. Why wouldn’t we need to care? Why, in the absence of a selfish “get me to heaven” pseudo-moral code would we not care?”
See, like I stated before, you know nothing of Christianity. Atheism has no “rules or codes” so I have nothing to learn. I can learn about each of you personally, but you have no set rules to follow. If you do have a set book of rules to follow, show me them.
You still never anwsered my question. Why DO you care? You turn everything back on me in a insulting manner instead of showing me facts. “we must help each other” must? MUST? why? You still arn’ showing me anwsers.
“So, would this underhanded, deceitful, asinine “pretend to be nice while saying complete lies” approach make Jesus proud?”
You think im doing this to make “jesus proud?”. No. I am pointing out these things because I think your an intelligent person who cares enough to spend time commenting on my comments. You care so much about people because… because…? I do because I want people to find the same happiness I found. Not because it will get me into Heaven. If i help 50 people get into Heaven but don’t believe Jesus died on the cross for me, It won’t do a thing for me. That’s why we preach. Not for some reward. You think this is doing anything for me? It is actually, you put a smile on my face throughout the day because I have fun reading your posts and commenting back. I am learning more and more everytime I talk to you, and I appreciate it
10 May 2006, on 3:28 pm
on the cross for *you.
10 May 2006, on 3:30 pm
“before leaving a comment, read this”
dragging your comments down?
you must fear something.
why would you end open discussion otherwise.
cause your sick of the same old arguments?
afraid of challenges?
“stop these religious people”
you mean stop us from challenging your beliefs.
10 May 2006, on 3:41 pm
Zach said:
First of all, I love how you insult me. Thanks for showing me just how kind Athiests are, and thanks for showing me exactly how much you care about me and want me to “open my eyes” to your wonderful free thought.
Hey, you know what, Zach? We atheists don’t go around with the pious self-rigteousness that people like you do, saying out of the side of your mouth (as you “lovingly” insult us with your backwards-ass religion and threaten us with damnation) that we are here to “open your eyes” or “save” you in any way. I could give two fucks about you. You sound like an asshole. I don’t care if you fuck up your entire life with your stupidity, just as long as you don’t fuck up other people’s lives while you do it.
Take a flying leap for all I care. Go save yourself, dipshit.
10 May 2006, on 3:55 pm
“as long as you dont fuck up other people’s lives doing it?”
you mean giving them a rounded argument?
you would not want them going to a christian site and seeing nothing but christian people commenting..
you would want them to research would you not?
so why cant they come to a site, looking for knowledge and get a well-rounded explanation & opinions from the opposing side?
unfortunatly i see nothing but insults. so if i was a christian doubting my religion, i would think that both sides are crap.
10 May 2006, on 3:59 pm
Look, I am sorry if I made you mad or sound like a jerk. I will stop posting here if it upsets you. If you ever want to talk to me about anything though… insult me, send me more atheists websites, whatever… my AIM screen name is MeltedPidgeon and my email is z116281@students.niu.edu
10 May 2006, on 4:31 pm
Zach:blah blah blah “I don’t do “good works” to get to heaven, you insult me for not reading your posts but you don’t even know what the basis of the Christian religion is? Only way to heaven: Belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. Sorry to point out that doing good works won’t get you into heaven.”
I think most of us realize Christians believe that and its part of why we think your gawd is a dick. If you include every christian, you just condemned 2/3 of the world to your hell. But I’m sure you don’t include all of the christians as true christians(tm) i.e. mormons, so the number is even higher.
“You still never anwsered my question. Why DO you care? You turn everything back on me in a insulting manner instead of showing me facts. “we must help each other” must? MUST? why? You still arn’ showing me anwsers.”
We must help each other because until you prove there is an afterlife, this is all we got and I prefer to try to make better instead of waiting for your gawd to clean up his mess. I try to alleviate some suffering in this world because its part of human nature to help others, not because some ancient carpenter told me to.
and Sean is right, I couldn’t give a fuck less about you personally as long as you don’t fuck up other people lives in the process with your silly sky-gawd myths
10 May 2006, on 5:05 pm
Kerin, rounded argument for what? Why there is no gawd? That’s not our job to prove.
And you clearly haven’t spent much time on this site if you think we just insult people. We are far more tolerant on this site of Xians that any Xian site I have ever seen is toward atheists. In fact, many of hose sites usually just delete comments by people they disagree with.
We treat people with respect IF they don’t come in here prosletyzing and telling us we are damned. And we contine to debate them fairly IF they don’t insult us or say hateful things about hellfire and sin — which we find offensive.
And we’re not here to convert anyone. Go check out Debunking Christianity for that. This site is a place for atheists to rave about the crimes commited against humanity by religion.
We used to have some smart and respectful theists that came by here — Dan, Frank, Dena. The quality of the scum who have been dropping by of late — with their illiterate rantings and hate speech — is probably the reason you are seeing us get pissed off. But regardless of all of that, if you come to a site called “God is for Suckers!” looking to slurp on someone’s teat and get coddled for your backwards superstitions, you deserve to be told you are a fool.
10 May 2006, on 5:09 pm
I did not know that since I am a non-god believer that I do not have any morals or know right from wrong. Thank you for informing me Zach, no really thank you because now I have no reason to take my many guns and much ammo to the nearest church or whatever. I can’t speak for everyone else but I do not do horrible stuff to others because I really a) do not want to go to prison only to wind up being a butt monkey for some one and most importantly b)would not appreciate some one doing those things to me.
Humans, or some form of humans a long time ago have had what is called a social contract for thousands of years. What this means Zach is that even before gods/god existed people have been cooperating for the good of the species. Caveman Bob cooperated with caveman Tom, who cooperated with caveman Jim who cooperated with well you get the picture. It is easier to survive within a social and regulated group than on your own. Primative humans figured this out long before the bible came along to be the only ethical and moral code for the world.
It is amazing what one can learn from history, social anthropology, math and a lot of other classes that are included in a good secular education. Star this was a wonderful post but I have some food for thought. I have recently heard a lecture given by a Holocaust survivor he was crippled by his ordeal so he had an aide that helped him walk, write, and give speeches. The aide had said something before the lecture that is the indictment of the human race not only in the past but for the future.”It is not that history repeats itself, but that human nature remains the same.” This comment is forever seared upon my brain.
10 May 2006, on 7:43 pm
If I may… would the simplest answer not have been: “why do doctors spend so much time talking about illnesses and diseases?”?
10 May 2006, on 8:20 pm
# Troff Says:
May 10th, 2006 at 7:43 pm e
If I may… would the simplest answer not have been: “why do doctors spend so much time talking about illnesses and diseases?”?
Nice.
10 May 2006, on 9:34 pm
Zach gets this
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1297/1706/1600/assclown.jpg
10 May 2006, on 9:40 pm
Star this was a wonderful post but I have some food for thought. I have recently heard a lecture given by a Holocaust survivor he was crippled by his ordeal so he had an aide that helped him walk, write, and give speeches. The aide had said something before the lecture that is the indictment of the human race not only in the past but for the future.”It is not that history repeats itself, but that human nature remains the same.” This comment is forever seared upon my brain.
P.C. – Thanks for the compliment and great comment.
Maybe history repeats itself because human nature remains the same.
(butt monkey…funny LOL!)
10 May 2006, on 10:29 pm
Star you are very welcome and thank you for sharing this post. As for the butt monkey I can’t take credit for that. Joss Whedon wrote in Buffy(t.v. show not the horrible movie).
11 May 2006, on 1:09 am
Zach – you do realize don’t you that your tone in these posts is condescending, and you’re putting people off? You have not been listening. You still think that only religious people are moral. Morality and religion are NOT synonymous. Atheists have had to think things through carefully, and think through morality and ethics to live by. Atheists are not more likely than the rest of the population to go out and rob, rape and murder, etc. The reason there are so many posts on the dangers of religious fanatics is that they can become dangerous to a healthy, stable society and government. The oppressive cruelties of theocracy are not just found in Islamic countries like Afghanistan under the Taliban – Christianity also has had a blood soaked history, replete with murder and torture in the name of god. So why do religious zealouts commit such attrocities? Because, if they believe god is on their side, THERE ARE NO LIMITS. They come to believe that torture and murder is moral and right because god sanctions it, encouraged by preachers/priests/imams/prophets who tell them so. Zach, you may think Christians in the 21st century have learned much and would not ever do such things. However, I do not have such optimism. There are some Christian based groups right here, right now who want to throw over 200+ years of American legal jurisprudence and govern by their *interpretations* of the Bible – specifically Old Testament. The Christian Reconstructionists want to return to the laws of Leviticus and STONE people to death! (I don’t have the link handy, but there is an article about this movement on Mother Jones website). They are at an extreme, but there are a lot of Evangelicals/Fundamentalists who want to make their religious views into law and govern all of us.
I do not want to see the First Amendment and all the rest of our Constitution thrown over for some religious zealot’s ideas of Christian Shari’a law. What they fail to appreciate is the freedom that has been guaranteed under the secular laws of the First Amendment has let them worship freely in the manner of their choosing, and live their lives as they see fit in peace and prosperity. They seem to resent the existence of dissenting Christians, minority religions, agnostics and atheists. We can’t take our freedoms for granted.
11 May 2006, on 7:13 am
“First of all, I love how you insult me.”
Truth hurts huh.
“Thanks for showing me just how kind Athiests are,”
One does not speak for all. And since you’re the one who started the insults, it’s a little asinine to be whining about it now.
” and thanks for showing me exactly how much you care about me and want me to “open my eyes” to your wonderful free thought.”
I don’t give a rat’s ass if you stay a fairy tale believer or not. YOU came HERE.
“Really great way to go about it, by calling me a Liar”
If the shoe fits, wear it, Liar.
“Sorry, could you give me a comprehensive list of all things you have done for humans?”
I have done here many times. But, since you asked: I volunteer in two shelters, I donate blood every other month, I donate my hair every other year to Locks of Love, I knit/quilt blankets for Project Linus.
“I don’t do “good works” to get to heaven,”
Liar.
“you insult me for not reading your posts but you don’t even know what the basis of the Christian religion is?”
Read the Deconversion posts, LIAR. I studied it more deeply than most have.
“Only way to heaven: Belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. Sorry to point out that doing good works won’t get you into heaven.”
Someone hasn’t read his bible.
“See, like I stated before, you know nothing of Christianity”
READ THE DECONVERION POSTS DIPSHIT.
“Atheism has no “rules or codes” so I have nothing to learn.”
Only because you’re an idiot.
“You still never anwsered my question. Why DO you care? You turn everything back on me in a insulting manner instead of showing me facts. “we must help each other” must? MUST? why? You still arn’ showing me anwsers. ”
This was answered. Simply because you don’t like the answer doesn’t make it go away, Liar.
“You think im doing this to make “jesus proud?”. No”
Liar.
“I am pointing out these things because I think your an intelligent person who cares enough to spend time commenting on my comments.”
Nah. I just don’t like flat out lies and stupidity to go unchallenged. Since you clearly don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, that can’t be allowed to stand as if it has ANY validity.
“You care so much about people because… because…?”
To reiterate because you’re too dishonest to admit you read this already: Because there is no sky daddy to help out. There is no heaven to go too. Right here and now there must be justice, honor, and compassion.
“I do because I want people to find the same happiness I found.”
Oh you’re so happy you come to lie and insult people you don’t know because they don’t share your delusions. You’re a total liar.
“You think this is doing anything for me?”
I KNOW you think it is. But because you’re a liar for Christ, you can’t admit it. I spent YEARS around asshats like you.
“I am learning more and more everytime I talk to you, and I appreciate it ”
No you’re not, and no you don’t. It’s clear from your insults, your lies and your denial.
11 May 2006, on 7:14 am
“Look, I am sorry if I made you mad or sound like a jerk.”
No you’re not, Liar.
“I will stop posting here if it upsets you.”
Nothing you could say would piss anyone off. To piss us off we’d have to respect you first.
11 May 2006, on 7:15 am
You still never anwsered my question. Why DO you care? You turn everything back on me in a insulting manner instead of showing me facts. “we must help each other” must? MUST? why? You still arn’ showing me anwsers.
Ugh, the move from morality…AGAIN…
Some responses can be found here and here.
And the suggestion to read an intro to ethics text is helpful. I mean, we took the time read your dumb-ass book; the least you can do is read something from our side…
11 May 2006, on 7:17 am
Just saw this retarded gem:
“If you do have a set book of rules to follow, show me them. ”
This guy has CLEARLY not read the bible if he believes it DOES have a set list to follow.
11 May 2006, on 7:58 am
Proof that even lovey-dovey type christians are offensive:
“I do because I want people to find the same happiness I found.”
Note that this assumes that we unwashed heathens are not happy, and that what makes him happy will automatically make us happy too. The translation of the above:
“You’re all a bunch of sad misguided unhappy people, but that’s okay because I know what’s good for you better than you do, and I’m here to tell you all about it…”
11 May 2006, on 8:03 am
Spot on Vic. Also notice that he posts utter garbage like that and then claims we’re insulting. At least we insult up front and center. He insults on the back and under hand. Coward.
11 May 2006, on 10:11 am
But what do you care, everyone should have their own moral code.
For our “friend” Zach and others who want to question atheist morals.
I WILL NOT GO AWAY
by The Ethical Atheist
I walk among you. I live next door.
My office is right down the hall from yours.
My child sits next to yours in school.
I live my life by the Golden Rule…
that most basic principle of ethical behavior
that people have followed through the ages.
I treat others as I would like to be treated.
So simple, yet rarely followed…
I practice tolerance.
I do not discriminate by race or gender.
I strive to make the world a better place.
I seek answers to the unknown and
attempt to educate all with answers to the known.
I view the universe in a different way than you
for I am a scientist, an educator,
a free thinker, an atheist.
While you attribute the great unknown mysteries to your God,
I use reason, logic and scientific methods in search
of answers to the as yet unexplained.
This should not be reason that we cannot
live together… practicing tolerance.
Yet, if your opinion differs, so be it!
For I will continue on my path…
I will find answers.
I will educate, and
I will not go away.
11 May 2006, on 10:11 am
“I don’t do “good works” to get to heaven, you insult me for not reading your posts but you don’t even know what the basis of the Christian religion is? Only way to heaven: Belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. Sorry to point out that doing good works won’t get you into heaven.”
Here’s a little bible lesson for Zachie-poo.
What will get me into heaven?
Man is judged/saved by faith
- John 3:15,16,36, 5:24,20:31, Acts 2:21,16:30,31, Gal 2:16,
Phil 3:9, Rom 1:17, 5:1,9, 11, 18, 10:9, Eph 2:8,9
Man judged/saved by works & lifestyle
- Psalm 62:12, Proverbs 24:12, Luke 14;13-14, John 5:29,
Matt 7:21,16:27, 19:16,17, 25:31-46, Acts 10:35,
Rom 2:6,7,9,10, 1 Cor 3:8
c/o Biblical Truths
Ok, well should your publicize your good deeds?
Matt 5:16: “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may (A)see your good works, and (B)glorify your Father who is in heaven.
Matt 6:1: “Beware of practicing your righteousness before men (A)to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.”
C/o Bible Resources.com
So, tell me Zach. Since you need a really old book to tell you what’s right and wrong, exactly how does this one help? You’re saying that we’re immoral because we don’t have a really old book to tell us the “right way”, when yours doesn’t agree with itself.
Get ready everyone, here comes the best excuses xians give: “That’s not what it says/means.” “You’re taking it out of context.” “MY version of the bible is correct, not the one YOU used.”
11 May 2006, on 12:37 pm
Here’s a link from Atheist Ethicist on the blatant lie from theists like Zach that atheists can’t have morals.
http://atheistethicist.blogspot.com/2006/05/moral-compass.html
18 May 2006, on 5:02 pm
Freedom is what it’s all about right? The most obnoxious thing is the so called “believers” the ones who say we are “blind” for actually analizing and thinking about the “truth” are the ones who are seemingly so blind to their own hypocricy! They can’t see that most of their actions and attitudes completely contradict their so called “true beliefs” if you really beleive something than you follow it right? Like I believe I shouldn’t run around naked so I don’t! So I think they don’t really believe, as much as they just try to dodge rational ideas, out of fear and cowardice.
It’s like living in hell when you go to a church that is such a complicated web of confusing maddness, continually contradicting itself (because of some sapposed revelations most of which happened while high off drugs). Yes I know this sounds carzy, and I’m shaking right now because I feel so passionate about this and so repressed and confused. It’s a crazy box to live in, religous jail- I’ve been miserably trying to break free from God and being his puppet. To break free from being told what to think, how to act, etc. etc. when all I get in return is complete anger and misery and have to be stuck in a box (church) with a bunch of robotic hypocritical lifeless bunch of idiots!
18 May 2006, on 5:46 pm
It’s people like Zach that prove my point! As well as the fact that my brain is full of chaotic disillusionment because of religion. It’s not so much a belief in God that I dispute, It’s religion and what it makes a person (in reality)and God (in our minds)out to be. And it’s the blind followers who I love to debate they’re so easy to corner, then they run in a circle trying to dodge any sound argument.
24 May 2006, on 9:35 pm
Hey, leslie, welcome to GifS! I understand your frustration, believe you me. Hang around, read our posts, comment whenever and wherever you like, and vent, too; I know I’m not the only one who feels better after doing it. Someone else recently said it’s like free therapy on here sometimes. Have fun!