Report: The State of Men in MANmerica

13 March 2006 by Lya Kahlo


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75 comments to “Report: The State of Men in MANmerica”

  1. King Retard:

    Wow, vaccinations leading to promiscuity. Remember girls, if you don’t save yourself for your husband, your evil regions will get CANCER because you’re a slut.

  2. Lya Kahlo:

    blah. That’s just more of that feminist whining! *LOL*

    Wally’s the new Sable!

  3. jimmer:

    These people are pure evil. They in fact are the people they warn the world about. They are the terrorists and deserve to be punished. We are growing in numbers because most folks finally have had enough of the lies and misrepresentation of the facts.
    We have so much available preventative medicine and management that to deny it to people is criminal. The last couple of weeks seem to have brought particularly virulent idiocy to the political process. Maybe their loses on getting ID into the classroom has weighed particularly heavy on them and they feel a need to lash out. Just like the little silver spooned assholes that they are.
    KR
    sluts need lovin too so lay off.

  4. Captain Al:

    The humanitarian South Dakota Sen. Bill Napoli says he’d consider letting a girl have an abortion if she was a virgin. Watch out for the loophole though. If she got pregnant, she’s not a virgin anymore. Too bad, permission denied.

  5. King Retard:

    Jimmer, the sad part is that there are people who really feel that way (i.e. all sexually active women, at least those either unmarried or the married ones who enjoy it, are sluts). What a sad way this country has chosen to start a new millenium. Women’s basic rights are under attack. We’re starting wrs all over the globe. We’re reaching new heights of xenophobia. We have a foreign policy based on apocalyptic scripture. No wonder the rest of the world increasingly hates us.

  6. Wally:

    Wow, I’m floored. I never would have expected GifS to blog AGAINST my psychotically mysogynistic virginal self!

  7. King Retard:

    Wally, just how in the hell are we blogging against equal rights for men? Do you want to back up one of your ass-backward statements are do you just want to keep being an ignorant, mysoginistic fuck? By definition, supporting equal rights for women also leads to equal rights for men.

  8. Wally:

    I’m not talking about anything. I’m just a lonely man who can’t get anyone to play with my tiny ding dong.

  9. Sean:

    Wally: sit home alone much?

  10. Sean:

    Wally: Hang out by the glory holes at Promise Keepers rallies much?

  11. Annegrete:

    King Retard:
    You say “No wonder the rest of the world increasingly hates us.”

    Hey, at least over here in Germany people discern very clearly between the US administration (or at least government) and the people. Not even the Bush administration is hated, they’re just dispised as upstarts without even enough knowledge to listen to experts.

    That would be a good thing, if it didn’t imply that a majority of citizens in the USA are either lazy or stupid. An Egyptian friend of mine put it this way: (talking about the majority)”If the people weren’t so disinterested and under-educated, they could have a country that would be an example. As it is, they’re raped and cheer for more of the same.”

    Wally:
    A real man doesn’t need to put someone else down to seem tall. Those who do are the schoolyard bullies with snot on their upper lip.

  12. Eve:

    Wally,

    You said that women don’t *really* want *equal* rights; they “want *special* [my emphasis] rights just for themselves and they don’t give a shit who gets hurt in the process (i.e., their children).”

    What special rights are these that women want just for ourselves that could lead to children getting hurt in the process?

  13. King Retard:

    “If you can’t see this, you are ill informed, vaginized, or simply ignorant of what has really been going on out there for these last 40 years or so.”

    Again, you do nothing but make up outlandish claims and hurl ridiculous insults with absolutely no backing for what you are saying. Are you implying that before the last 40 years women had equal rights and now they’ve surpassed the rights of men? That would explain all of the women presidents we’ve had, as well as the female CEOs of major companies, all of the female religious leaders out there, and all of the cases of women beating and raping men and then the men being blamed for dressing like the wanted it. Wally, pull your head out of your vagina-fearing ass and think about what you’re saying.

  14. Vredig:

    The Dubay case is actually a valid case about equal rights. The column talks about how women should have the right to choose to have an abortion, which keeps them from having to take care of the child. Shouldn’t a man have the same choice without forcing the woman to have an abortion?

    I know of at least two women who intentionally got pregnant to force the father to stick around. That’s cruel and manipulative, and forces someone to do something that they shouldn’t have to do (raise a child they never wanted). Requiring them to take care of/pay because of that isn’t giving equal rights to both men and women.

  15. Marcus:

    “But they don’t, they want special rights just for themselves and they don’t give a shit who gets hurt in the process (i.e., their children).”

    Holy shit!!!! Watch out!!! Those godless commie women are comin’ down the street!!! Get mah shotgun, junior!!! We gotta stop them women!!! Even though they are a huge minority in the US House, US Senate, and every state house in the country, they gonna overrun us men unless we tuck our balls up and keep em from choppin’ em off!!! I mean, shit!!! They needa be washing taters and gettin’ all preggers and shit! Fuck, a ding dang do!

    It’s not called pussy whipped, Wally- it’s called awareness of a social reality. Don’t believe it? Read sociology research. You gotta stop breathing the chemicals at your sanitation job.

    And as far as that little cocksnack Dubay goes- If he’s going to stick his dick in holes, he had better be ready to pay for possible consequences. Sure, it’s also the girl’s fault, but she gets stuck with the child. That little fucker Dubay should be hung from a tree by his dick.

    Like I said elsewhere- you’re on a one way trip to bannination, flame bait.

  16. Sean:

    I knew all of this, but seeing it all ripped so scathingly in one swoop made me queasy. Women of America: here’s one man who will be fighting alongside you every step of the way.

  17. Eve:

    Vredig,

    The Dubay case is new to me, so I feel I can’t comment on it specifically until I educate myself further.

    Now, I *do* agree with you that a woman *intentionally* getting pregnant by a man she wants to keep around even when he does not want or plan to have children with her is definitely cruel and manipulative, not only to the man, but to the child(ren) produced.

    How do *you* propose we would legislate/regulate that type of situation?

  18. Sean:

    Fuck, a ding dang do!

    Marcus: you owe me a keyboard.

  19. Sean:

    In my opinion, if a guy is dead set on not having a kid he should wear a friggin’ condom. Why is the woman always the one responsible for birth control? If the man is in a serious enough relationship with a woman that they both have spent a year together in a monogamous relationship and have both been tested twice, and now they want to have sex without a condom, the guy better seriously ask himself: do I ever want kids? If the answer is no, he should get a vasectomy and shut the fuck up about it. It’s one of the simplest operations there are.

  20. jimmer:

    The idea of rights is that they are an aspect of living that anyone at anytime can claim. There is nothing special about that except that we in the US and other progressive countries have the ability to make those claims. And that is the issue.I am personally all for claiming what you determine for yourself to be correct for your life liberty and happiness.If we could get our (mis)representatives to get in line behind that then maybe we as free people would in fact be free.
    Annegrette; Many of us here in the US agree with your Egyptian friend. And we realize that that is precisely what is the most wrong with our country. We should and could be that beacon of light but for the lazy ass politicians and their hordes of weak, cowardly constituents. In 200+ years we have lost ground where we should have gained. We no longer have any real rights. All a person has to do to understand that is realize that everywhere they turn the Gov. is there regulating us or taxing us. One day it will change hopefully sooner than later. I have great respect for people in this world because so many risk their lives to find freedom. And they do that by peaceful means.

    Sean I’ve always said it takes two to tango and if a man does not want a child then he needs to take precautions. I always have and I do not have children. All of my friends years ago who had ACCIDENTS were practising unprotected sex. Gee I wonder how that happened???

  21. Cassandra:

    …he should get a vasectomy and shut the fuck up about it. It’s one of the simplest operations there are.

    And almost all insurance plans cover it. Hell, my husband didn’t even have to make a co-pay. It was absolutely free.

    I have a lot of highschool friends who claim that they “would never have kids and add to the population of a fucked up planet.” When I ask them when they got the vasectomy, the quiet right down.

    All of my friends years ago who had ACCIDENTS were practising unprotected sex. Gee I wonder how that happened???

    But remember, accidents do happen, even when you are practicing safe sex.

  22. Sean:

    Accidents don’t happen much if you’ve had a vasectomy, that’s for damn sure. And yes, most insurance plans will cover it completely. (Why the hell, though, won’t they cover birth control pills?)

  23. Bob:

    You said that women don’t *really* want *equal* rights; they “want *special* [my emphasis] rights just for themselves and they don’t give a shit who gets hurt in the process (i.e., their children).”

    What special rights are these that women want just for ourselves that could lead to children getting hurt in the process?

    Excellent question, Eve. Exactly what I was thinking. Wally?

    Accidents don’t happen much if you’ve had a vasectomy, that’s for damn sure.

    Yep, the “accident” is wanting kids after you’ve had one. :)

  24. manxome:

    Damn, in Wally World, vaginas are verwy verwy scarwy.

    Vredig Says: “The column talks about how women should have the right to choose to have an abortion, which keeps them from having to take care of the child. Shouldn’t a man have the same choice without forcing the woman to have an abortion?”

    Hilarious. You mean, the man gets the abortion? Cool. After some pharmasogynist denies him post-coital contraception, he can make an appointment at some clinic 200 miles away. Then he can take the day off work for the counseling, wait 24 hours, and take another day off to have, oh, his anus scraped, emerging to holier-than-thous who call him a murdering slut. And that’s the “easy way out”.

    If he doesn’t want to do that, he can of course choose to carry the fetus himself, deal with morning sickenss, OB/GYN appointments, back pain, missed work, having to pee every 5 minutes, loss of sleep, and then go through hours of contractions and be told that the only relief is to push a bowling ball out his ass. The ripping that needs to be stitched, the sore nipples, the huge-ass pads, the not being able to have a bowel movement for a week, and weeks of unpaid maternity leave.

    Why, it’s the same darned thing as being able to say, “oops, didn’t mean for that to happen” and just walk away.

    It doesn’t matter if all sorts of protection was used. It doesn’t matter is says they do or do not want kids. Stuff happens. Penis meets vagina and both parties have to deal with those “unexpected” results of sex. No one gets to walk away. The one with the vagina certainly can’t.

    “I know of at least two women who intentionally got pregnant to force the father to stick around. That’s cruel and manipulative, and forces someone to do something that they shouldn’t have to do (raise a child they never wanted)”

    If they didn’t want one, I mean really, really didn’t want one, they should not have had sex at all. I know a woman who was told by her boyfriend that he was sterile. Oops, he lied. Neither “wanted” pregnancy. Guess who was “forced” to raise a kid anyway? The one with the uterus. And know what? Even though he was manipulative, it does not excuse her ignorance, and she certainly doesn’t get to just opt-out of dealing with pregnancy. Unless you’ve got those male uteruses ready to implant, there’s no “equal” here.

  25. Vredig:

    You know… Bush and Christians push the abstinance is the only way to prevent STDs and pregnancies, too, and they’re often lambasted for that position as well. People having sex is an inevitable thing.

  26. Marcus:

    “People having sex is an inevitable thing.”

    Holy mary fucked by a horse cock! A meager pulse of rational thought!!! Somebody get this guy a cookie! He did well today!

    Of course, abstinence training is often “Don’t do that!” and less explanation of “Why do I wanna do that? What’s the safest way to do that? How come my scrotum looks like a shriveled, leathery brain after I jerk off?” Ignorance will ALWAYS be dangerous, especially for the ignorant.

  27. manxome:

    Yeah, Vredig, because if anyone dare mentions that there’s always some level of risk when you have sex, they must be wholeheartedly agreeing with the radical right that an ignorant abstinence-only approach is the only way to go. Let me know when those male uteri are ready to be shipped.

  28. Lya Kahlo:

    “Shouldn’t a man have the same choice without forcing the woman to have an abortion?”

    Nope. You got her pregnant, you shoulder half the load. Don’t like it? Be like Wally – you’ll never have to worry about sleeping with a woman ever again.

    You yourself are touting the abstinence only idea. Then follow it. If we’re going to take women to task about “personal responsibility” then men have to live up to that too.

  29. Lya Kahlo:

    P.s. Whoever added the pic – well done!

  30. Sean:

    It was me, pal. :)

    - sean

  31. Lya Kahlo:

    Excellent choice! That character embodies the characteristics of worthless bigots like Wally.

  32. Wally:

    Takes one to know one, Lya. But since you are apparently the Amazing Kreskin trolling under an assumed name, perhaps you would care to expound on what you know of my knowledge and life experience that may have helped to form my opinion.

    And then perhaps you can explain WHY men should not have reproductive freedom comparable to that which is demanded by women. Then, when you are finished saying, essentially, “just because”, you can tell us how your opinion does not amount to women demanding special rights that they would, in turn, deny to men.

    (notice he is STILL crying like an infant and STILL has not presented on shred of evidence to back up his asinine posts.)

  33. Lya Kahlo:

    “Takes one to know one, Lya.”

    My, what a witty retort. I take it you’re in seventh grade now?

    “But since you are apparently the Amazing Kreskin trolling under an assumed name, perhaps you would care to expound on what you know of my knowledge and life experience that may have helped to form my opinion.”

    Actually, genius, that’s your job. Since you have done nothing but post a bunch of worthless flame-bait, you’re not taken seriously. If you want to explain yourself, do it, and quit the whining. Show us evidence to back up your claims. FYI- evidence does not include anticdotes about how women have abused you in the past.

    “And then perhaps you can explain WHY men should not have reproductive freedom comparable to that which is demanded by women.”

    They do. It’s called vasectomy. >:)

    Now, if a man could prove that a woman lied about being on birth control (or whathaveyou) in an effort to trap him into fatherhood, that is grounds for not forcing him to pay for the child. In the absence of proof, we are left with personal responsibility. You got her pregnant, you pay half. Since she will have to endure the pain, and health issues that go along with pregnancy – not the mention the actual upbringing of the child – and all you have to do is sit on the couch, guzzle beer and continue to expand your waistline, consider yourself lucky you’ve gotten off so light.

    “Then, when you are finished saying, essentially, “just because”, you can tell us how your opinion does not amount to women demanding special rights that they would, in turn, deny to men.”

    As we have already established that the “special rights” you claim women are demanding is basically the right to autonomy, you have completely failed to convince anyone that women are demanding any special rights.

    So far your argument seems to be that men should be allowed to impregnate whatever wanders passed him and be completly unresponsible for his actions. If this is incorrect, explain yourself – without the useless flame baiting or more proof of your brainless bigotry.

  34. Wally:

    The reproductive freedom in question (obviously, to anyone who is not an intellectual fraud), is the right to exercise birth control AFTER a pregnancy has begun. Vasectomy is clearly not the answer, unless you are advocating that all abortion proceedures also include sterilization for the female.

    Autonomy — yes, that’s it. Being forced to pay child support for a child that a man does not want is a violation of his autonomy.

    So tell us why, once a pregnancy is discovered, a man should not have the same right to opt out that is now enjoyed by females. Then, when you are done explaining that a woman should be holding all the cards because she is the one who must endure the pregnancy, explain to us why that right is not superior to the rights that men currently have.

    And before you even go there, let me remind you that it takes two to begin a pregnancy, and that women can avoid unwanted children by avoiding sex just the same as men can.

  35. Annegrete:

    Vredig:
    You say: “(…)women should have the right to choose to have an abortion, which keeps them from having to take care of the child. Shouldn’t a man have the same choice without forcing the woman to have an abortion?

    (…)Requiring (men) to take care of/pay because of that isn’t giving equal rights to both men and women.”

    That would be a valid point if men didn’t have the option to use contraceptives. As of today, men have various options: condoms, chemical/hormonal treatment and surgery.

    Men can know a woman’s cycle as well as the woman herself (sometimes better, because we women don’t always notice the mood swings), so counting days is an option for the male, too.

    Sean:
    Can I enlist you for the women of Europe, too? :-)

    jimmer:
    Don’t be so pessimistic :-) You CAN change the politicians. I believe it’s even in your constitution that you can shoot them if the majority feels like it. If you shoot all the horses that can’t get over a hurdle and you’ll eventually find one that can.

    Regulation isn’t bad per se. Here in Europe we’ve got more regulation than you have, but it seems to me that we’ve got a different kind of regulation. In the USA, it all seems to be about big money getting its way, while here it started out as sharing the burdens as well as the privileges.

    At the moment, workers of the individual states are on strike (for the fifth week) and they have the support of the majority – even of the citizens in the affected areas/cities. That is remarkable, because it proves that the majority is not willing to take any more economical neo-libertarianism and that the spin is no longer working.

    As I see it, the main difference is in strong unions which are protected by the law and in a politically interested public. So if you can change that, you can turn that light on again.

    I DO think you can, so I’m putting a bottle of champagne on ice :-)

  36. Marcus:

    I got yer button right here, mofo.

  37. Lya Kahlo:

    “The reproductive freedom in question (obviously, to anyone who is not an intellectual fraud),”

    Ah, I see. Since you’ve failed on all accounts so far, go for the veiled insults. Not very manly. As there was very clearly a >:) after the vasectomy comment, it was very clearly that was a joke. Pay attention.

    “Let me remind you that it takes two to begin a pregnancy, and that women can avoid unwanted children by avoiding sex just the same as men can.”

    Thank you for invalidating your entire argument.

    The rest I have already addressed.

    To repeat and expand:

    I agreed that a man who was deceived arguably should not be forced to pay for a child resulting from that deceit. (I remember specifically some pro basketball player having this done to him. Of course, he was cheating on his wife with some rando court groupie who deliberately got pregnant to sponge off his massive income. Unfair? Definitely. If only there were penalties for women like this – and those who cry rape when there was none. They give reason and cause to misogynists like yourself to come to the conclusions that you have.) However, that sets a sticky precedent. How could we be certain that all deadbeat dads would not claim the same thing just to avoid being a man and taking personal responsibility? Why should a child (and I’m talking about real children here, not the imaginary ones floating around in the heads of anti-choicers) suffer for lazy, worthless boys who pretend to be men? And moreover, how often does this really happen?

    In the absence of deceit, a man and a woman entering into a sexual relationship know full well what might happen. In my opinion, both are implictly agreeing to care for any resulting children by entering into such a relationship. This the part about personal responsibility – if you’re going to stick it in some chick, it should be one who’s position on children and abortion you’re already aware of, agreed? Also, if you’re going to let some dude stick it in, it should be one who’s position on children and paternal responsibility you’re already aware of. Anyone with even a small amount of common sense would be aware of this.

    However, this is not the same as an abortion, (obviously, to anyone who is not an intellectual fraud). In one case, a child never existed (which even without an abortion is largely true as upwards of 50% of pregnancies end in miscarrage without most women ever knowing they were pregnant at all). In the other, you’re advocating child abuse to save your precious money.

    Now I’m seen your flaccid attempts at equating the right to an abortion with the “right” to be a lazy worthless deadbeat. It is however a cowardly and deceitful position to take. Once there is a living, breathing child, the game changes. There is now a HUMAN BEING that has the same needs as the rest of us. A human being YOU had a hand – so to speak – in creating. Parents are jailed for neglecting children. Why should you get special consideration simply because you decided – far too late – that you didn’t want it? To say that the issue is solely about what happens once a pregnancy is discovered is also cowardly. Clearly (to anyone who is not an intellectual fraud) it begins with the start of a sexual relationship.

    Lastly, I’m sure you’ll now repeat your attempt at making a comparasion where one isn’t. So, it needs to be stressed here that to suggest that most abortions are sought for convienence is dishonest. To suggest that a high percentage of women get pregnant just to trap men is also intellectually dishonest. If these are the extent of you’re “why can’t I be a deabeat” argument, I remain unimpressed.

  38. Wally:

    “In the absence of deceit, a man and a woman entering into a sexual relationship know full well what might happen.”

    Yes, but they do not have equal options to escape the consequences after the fact. The woman can opt for abortion. The man is stuck with the woman’s decision. That is a basic inequity.

    I’d rather be a worthless deadbeat than a babykiller, any time.

  39. Lya Kahlo:

    Thanks for proving you don’t read the posts you’re responding too.

    “I’d rather be a worthless deadbeat than a babykiller, any time. ”

    And I’m sure you are. Exactly who is killing babies?

  40. manxome:

    “I got yer button right here, mofo.”

    Good god Marcus, that was so funny I choked. Now can you make Wally a uterus so he can “have the same right to opt out that is now enjoyed by females”? The same “right” to jump 20 hurdles in order to abort in some neighboring state, or go through 9 months of pregnancy and push a tangerine out his penis while his hypothetical girlfriend walks off and says, “You were a nice fuck, but I never wanted a kid. Ciao.”

  41. Wally:

    Still waiting for a direct response to my point, Lya. Good thing I’m not holding my breath, it’s pretty evident that you don’t have one.

    Using my Dipshit Troll-to-English dictionary this post means:
    I can’t refute anything, I can’t provide evidence for my misogynistic bullshit, and I can’t get laid. Therefore, I’ll just evade and post more fluff and hope that no one notices.

  42. King Retard:

    Wally, you’re waiting for a direct response, you who duck every direct question thrown your way?

  43. Lya Kahlo:

    “Still waiting for a direct response to my point, Lya. Good thing I’m not holding my breath, it’s pretty evident that you don’t have one.”

    Thank you for more proof that you do not read the posts you’re responding too.

    Not only were you answered, in detail, you were asked several questions. Which you would know, had you actually read it.

  44. manxome:

    “Good thing I’m not holding my breath”

    Ooh, dramatic. I sense foreshadowing.

  45. Lya Kahlo:

    “I sense foreshadowing.”

    That’s funny. I sense a more evasion from a total coward.

    >:) Where’s Marcus when you need him?

  46. manxome:

    Perhaps he’s off knitting a uterus for Wally?

  47. Lya Kahlo:

    Well, it’s cheaper than the blow up dolls Wally keeps puncturing.

    (I LOVE knitty!)

  48. Dena M. May:

    What does Tom Cruise say in this movie? Something like: Respect the Cock, Tame the Pussy? Ha!

    Anyhow, hi you guys. I wish I had more time to give my own feed-back regarding all of these tasty tid-bits you have been publishing lately, but unfortunately I am unable to.

    I just wanted to say HI! Looks like things are moving along just nicely for you all. I promise I will be back soon!

    Much Love,

    Dena Marie

  49. Marcus:

    “>:) Where’s Marcus when you need him?”

    whathuhwhaddididothistime?

  50. Sean:

    Welcome back, Dena!

  51. Marcus:

    Manxome,

    What, are you insane! And unleash this upon the Earth!

    Surely you jest!

  52. manxome:

    Bwaahaa! Marcus! It’s so scary! And pink! I reserve the right to steal that image for a future blog template. I just need to figure out how to do it.

  53. Sean:

    Annegrete:

    Sean:
    Can I enlist you for the women of Europe, too?

    I’m there. Can you help me get a work visa?? I need to get out of this shitburg country. ;)

    And yeah, we used to have strong unions and compassion for the working class here, too. It was kinda short-lived, historically speaking. But thanks for believing in us and keeping that champagne on ice. We may yet previal.

    Marcus: You’re gonna need a lot more 27-B-Stroke-6 forms.

    Lya: You go, woman. Jab, jab, duck, weave, jab.

    Between this thread and the near-hysterics of the Tribbledoggers*, we’re havin’ fun now!

    * Marcus, I love that Paul Manata hypocrite: “I led a life of drugs and physically attacking people, but now I protect zygotes and hate 14-year-old rape victims”… Oh, wait. Maybe he isn’t a hypocrite, but just the sociopath he’s always been!

  54. Sean:

    Manxome: I just read this:

    Now can you make Wally a uterus so he can “have the same right to opt out that is now enjoyed by females”? The same “right” to jump 20 hurdles in order to abort in some neighboring state, or go through 9 months of pregnancy and push a tangerine out his penis while his hypothetical girlfriend walks off and says, “You were a nice fuck, but I never wanted a kid. Ciao.”

    I’m still laughing. I am tempted to do my own Photoshopping of that tangerine concept, but I am already in trouble around here for my overtly nasty pictures!

  55. Lya Kahlo:

    Marcus. Thank you. A loud belly laugh first thing in the am is exactly what I needed.

  56. Marcus:

    Sean,

    Right on, brotha.

    Lya, Manxome,

    Really, the whole time I couldn’t stop laughing. I kept hearing preview man’s voice in my head- “Beware the womb that destroyed Manhattan!” It’s like a friggen Godzilla enemy.

  57. Lya Kahlo:

    the angry face on the knitted womb is the funniest part

  58. Marcus:

    Sean,

    Dying to see the tangerine cock- let’s have it! I can only imagine it looking similar to Marlon Brando’s mouth with the orange peel near the end of The Godfather.

  59. manxome:

    I still laugh at it. It’s just so perfect. The first time I saw the fluffy pink thing that ate Manhattan I went into a laughing fit that had my husband giving me “the look” until I could catch my breath and tell him the whole sorded tale. Seriously, it’s a masterpiece. The horror movies! The sequels! The posters and video games!

  60. Eve:

    Wally,

    I asked, “What special rights are these that women want just for ourselves that could lead to children getting hurt in the process?

    Your answer to me –

    I’m still waiting…

    Vredig,

    I asked, “a woman *intentionally* getting pregnant by a man she wants to keep around even when he does not want or plan to have children with her is definitely cruel and manipulative, not only to the man, but to the child(ren) produced.

    How do *you* propose we would legislate/regulate that type of situation?”

    You answered -

    I’m still waiting on this one, too…

    Lya,

    I wanna be like you when I grow up!

    New time visitor *and* poster, by the way…

  61. Lya Kahlo:

    “I wanna be like you when I grow up!”

    *lol* I’m 27, and this made me feel very very old. ;)

  62. manxome:

    Eve, I think Wally passed out after threatening to hold his breath.

    I just want to grow up to be one of those crotchety old ladies who cusses at people and gets away with it.

  63. Eve:

    Lya,

    *lmao* I’m 41, so how do you think *I* feel now?!

    manxome,

    I mean, really, why *not* answer me? All I’m asking for is that he explain what he means in specific terms.

    As to growing up into crotchety, cussy old ladies – can we add animal-crazy (pick your pet: bunnies, kitties, puppies, what-have-you, etc.) to that job description?

  64. manxome:

    Don’t worry Eve, I’m only a few months behind you. You can add whatever you want to the crotchey cussy old lady plan. The cool part is that no one gives you a hard time for it!

  65. Eve:

    And *we* give ‘em hell!

    So many women are afraid of growing old(er); I’m beginning to think it’s gonna be kinda liberating. I was never this mouthy in my 20s, and it feels good, even when I put my foot in it.

  66. Sean:

    Go for it, goils. I am looking forward to being a wise and elderly curmudgeon (translation: crotchety old bastard) myself!

    Marcus said:

    Dying to see the tangerine cock- let’s have it! I can only imagine it looking similar to Marlon Brando’s mouth with the orange peel near the end of The Godfather.

    Be careful what you wish for, my friend.

    PS: Can we get a bigger picture of Baby Paulie Paul in order to Farkify his ass? That picture of him is begging for it, as you pointed out. Maybe pose as members of his fan club and ask for a signed, high-res poster of it?

  67. Sean:

    All right, Marcus, but only because you picked up the sword and fought Tribbledog to the death this week. ;) Thanks on that. I had a huge project to launch — still do — but was happy to see you, Lya and our loyal gang of clever commentors carry on where I semi-bailed..

    Paularino, if you are out there: we call that pathos, appeal to emotion — “please try and understand, it’s been a rough week” … Something I am perfectly capable of… as those I love and those who love me will attest to… But something you have yet to earn from me, although I consider myself a pretty durn forgiving fella. I could even be your pal, or your ally, if — as Ford pointed out — you could win me over in some way. If you could prove your points (such as: that homosexuality is an evil, even from a secular perspective, and that feeling this way and espousing this belief is, in the long run, good for the human race; I, um, tend to think it is not). Anyway, see my last post in the Lion Feed. Final thing I have to say to Paulie unless he changes his evil ways.

    Anyway, herewith, a man giving birth to a tangerine.

  68. Hank:

    Here’s a question for those of you against the Dubay child support case:

    A couple agrees not to have children. They mutually decide on a birth control method. They also agree that if she gets pregnant she will have an abortion. She gets pregnant (it happens). One of the parties changes their mind and wants to have the baby. The other says “No way. We agreed not to have children”.

    Should one party be able to force motherhood/fatherhood and all its obligations on the other party against her/his wishes?

  69. Marcus:

    Sean,

    You should be able to get the pic of Paul from his own Blogger profile. Although their blog is down for some reason (Someone, I wouldn’t be surprised, probably reported them to Hatewatch and Blogger is doing some investigating).

    That tangerine looks radioactive!!!! I like the look of shock on the guy’s face- heh!

  70. Bob:

    So many women are afraid of growing old(er); I’m beginning to think it’s gonna be kinda liberating. I was never this mouthy in my 20s, and it feels good, even when I put my foot in it. [...] Go for it, goils. I am looking forward to being a wise and elderly curmudgeon (translation: crotchety old bastard) myself!

    Damn straight! Of course, I wanna be like that! Kudos to you ladies and Sean! More power to ya!

    I’m looking forward to getting old myself — just because of this. Be REAL nice to speak my mind when I wanna.

    Funny story: My father-in-law was asked to go to a communion. His reply: MY GOD WHATEVER FOR?! The rejoinder: Well, we wanted him to get the values and make up his mind up later. His reply: BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU’RE DOING. YOU’RE INDOCTRINATING HIM NOW AND HE’S GONNA HAVE TO FIGHT HIS WAY OUT LATER.

    Nice. Fuckin’-A bubba. You go get ‘em.

  71. Ford:

    I don’t know about the whole getting older thing, my family isn’t exactly known for longevity, and it’s mostly genetic. Shit, cancer has killed half of my damn family, and most of them didn’t smoke or work around nuclear power plants or anything. That’s just one genetic fuck up in my family, there’s alzheimers, kidney problems up the whazoo, some sort of weird ass dementia shit, seems like everyone who’s made it past the age of 60 so far has damn diabetes. I’m not trying to scare you guys, but I’m saying that, with my family, I’m fucked.

  72. Sean:

    Ford: you’d better start praying.

    Just kidding. Hope you lead a healthy life, young man!

  73. Ford:

    Oh my!!

  74. Lya Kahlo:

    Hank:

    Is it unfair that he gets no say AFTER she’s pregnant? Maybe, but there were plenty of ways to avoid knocking her up. Is this the same argument used against women’s reproductive rights? Yep. It sounds very logical. If a woman can chose whether or not to have a kid, shouldn’t (poor, oppressed and abused *snort, chuckle, guffaw*) men be able to chose whether or not they will participate if she choses to have it?

    However, sane people agree that an abortion is not child neglect. There is no child. This is not remotely the same choice as a man has deciding that keeping his money is more important then a human being he helped create. If that child lived with this man and he provided nothing that would be child neglect, for which he would be jailed. But suddenly, all responsibility is erased if it doesn’t? Sounds flaccid and flimsy to me.

    All that aside, even if this is the one area where men are (finally) not in total control, all I have to say is – welcome to our world. Not fun, is it.

  75. Eve:

    Nice job, Lya; personally, methinks Hank deliberately oversimplified his example to try to make his point about equal rights for men and women = the “same” rights for men and women.

    Problem is, Hank, we’re “equal” but not “alike;” both parties do not get pregnant, only the female does. This means that biologically, whether any of us likes it or not, *she* gets the last word in deciding what to do about her pregnancy for the simple reason that it’s taking place inside *her body,* not his.

    Which means that they both have to live with *her* final decision in one way or another. Heck, even if she’s the one who wants to have the child and wins her court case forcing her partner to provide child support, and he decides that it’s “unfair” and runs away to another country to avoid the legal consequences, neither one can escape the fact that they had a child together – and it was *her* decision to bring it into the world.

    And even in this scenario, he gets the longer end of the stick: he gets to run away. Quite frankly, I’m surprised more women in this situation don’t follow his example and simply walk out on their kids, although unfortunately it happens. I think it’s a credit to our gender that even without planning it or any outside support, so many women shoulder the burden of single motherhood and just keep on truckin’ any way they can.