Man it pissed me off to see the Xian right take over Madison Square Garden and stand in front of pictures of the Statue of Liberty to get warmonger Shrub re-elected. I love the fact that New Yorkers didn’t take it peacefully, but protested the living fucking shit out of it. Still, Americans who would never even condescend to walk the streets of the East Village at night, chowing on a slice of pizza and absorbing a truly multicultural city, fell for it a) hook, b) line, c) sinker.

“All people, everywhere, do bad things. Christians are no exception. Are you suggesting that Christians should still be thought of in the context of hundreds and thousands of years ago instead of in light of the good work they are doing today?”

“Good work” like priests molesting kids ? Perhaps dubya dumbass and crew starting an illegal insane war ? Maybe the constant ignorant hateful ramblings of pat robberson and jerry failwell ? How about the craplic church not putting women on equal footing with men ? Lets not forget the attempts to push religion under the guise of psuedo-science. With “good work” like that who needs evil ?

” But that Christians, in general, can be ranked among some of the best.”

Yeah, the best hypocrites.

Also keep in mind that the only reason stupid christianity is the predominant wackjob religion is because christian bastards worked really hard (wars) to push their idiot beliefs upon most of the world and were the better conquerors (and hypocrites).

Finally your baptist press crap has all the legitimacy of the Fox Pravda “news” channel. I was born and raised in NYC, it’s the largest city in the country and doesn’t need the help of no southern baptists. I never read *anything* about such a group doing anything for NYC and don’t believe a word of it, sounds like typical right-wing christian lies and spin.

Very true. I did not say you needed to accept what I’ve said, nor did I say it carries true for all xians. I have volunteered in 27 shelters total. In those 27, I’ve meet 3 xians. And those were at the animal shelter. But thank’s for that hysterical display. Very mature.

“Whew! Gosh, maybe all the Christians are volunteering somewhere else like, oh I don’t know, the Gulf Coast. Your evidence proves NOTHING with regard to the benevolence of Christians.”

And neither does yours. Thanks for playing!

“I did NOT assert that Christians are “ALL super fantastic givers.”

Yes, you did. Whether you intended to or not is not my problem. See the following:

“As for me: I have no problem with your second definition of humanism, “concern with the interests, needs, and welfare of humans.” Christian organizations are always among the leaders in meeting the needs of so many people and are always among the first to respond when disasters strike anywhere in the world.”

“Such statements are not typically viewed as having universal significance.”

Total bullshit.

“I made no claim that every single Christian is a super giver.”

To quote: “By this definition a strong case can be made that Christians ARE, in fact, supreme humanists.” This does not say “some”. It implies you meant all. Just because you’re backpedaling now . . .

” But that Christians, in general, can be ranked among some of the best.”

Which you so far have not proven.

“I provided support for my claim. You all scoff at my source. Does that mean you deny the accuracy of the stories?”

Yeppers. Stories written by the group that doled out the support are hardly non-biased sources. As an example: the Boy scouts of America routinely inflate their membership numbers to get more $ from the gov’t. Baptists writing about how wonderful and generous and loving Baptists are is hardly convincing to anyone but Baptists. And obviously you. Are you a Baptist, by any chance?

“If so, where did the stories come from? Were they made up out of thin air? Complete fabrications with not a single shred of truth to them?”

Goodness would you stop the over exaggerated bullshit. No one said they were completely fabricated. I do not believe for a moment, however, that they are not embellished or details that might tarnish this glowing picture of Baptists to be included when the article is written by the Baptist fucking Press. Who do you think you’re kidding?

And let’s not forget that Sean tried finding other sources for it and could not.

” You tell me. And just so you know, I’ve worked for both the secular press and the Baptist Press and the journalistic integrity in the Baptist Press (with regard to fact checking and source corroboration) far exceeds that in the secular media.”

Well, well, well. Hello, Mr. Hypocrisy! And you had the gall to criticize me for anecdotal evidence.

*LOL* Sure it does. And given how honest and forthright you have been, clearly that’s a great endorsement.

Can you smell the sarcasm, Frankie-poo?

“All people, everywhere, do bad things. Christians are no exception. Are you suggesting that Christians should still be thought of in the context of hundreds and thousands of years ago instead of in light of the good work they are doing today?”

Ah so all those priests molesting children isn’t happening today? Xians aren’t doing anything bad at all today? Goodness what blinders.

“Or do you deny completely that Christians provide humanitarian aid to those in need? Because THAT is the bulk of my claim.Do you? ”

Again with the hysterical nonsense. Of course no one is claiming that no xian anywhere provides aid. For fake christ’s sake I already said it was good you could provide even marginal proof of it.

The fact remains that you have not shown proof of your assertion that xians can be counted among the “best” givers (who else besides xians would make altruism a competitive fucking sport?)

I’m going home now. Refute you tomorrow!

1) Your evidence IS ancedotal. It proves that there are no Christians working in the TWO shelters where you volunteer. No more. It most certainly does NOT prove that you “know first-hand” my “assertion that xians are all super fantastic givers is bullshit.” That’s an enormous leap in logic. Whew! Gosh, maybe all the Christians are volunteering somewhere else like, oh I don’t know, the Gulf Coast. Your evidence proves NOTHING with regard to the benevolence of Christians.

2) I did NOT assert that Christians are “ALL super fantastic givers.” My original assertion is as follows:

“As for me: I have no problem with your second definition of humanism, “concern with the interests, needs, and welfare of humans.” By this definition a strong case can be made that Christians ARE, in fact, supreme humanists. Christian organizations are always among the leaders in meeting the needs of so many people and are always among the first to respond when disasters strike anywhere in the world.”

Such statements are not typically viewed as having universal significance. I made no claim that every single Christian is a super giver. But that Christians, in general, can be ranked among some of the best.

3) I provided support for my claim. You all scoff at my source. Does that mean you deny the accuracy of the stories? If so, where did the stories come from? Were they made up out of thin air? Complete fabrications with not a single shred of truth to them? You tell me. And just so you know, I’ve worked for both the secular press and the Baptist Press and the journalistic integrity in the Baptist Press (with regard to fact checking and source corroboration) far exceeds that in the secular media.

4) I don’t deny the inquistions, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, or any of the other things listed. I never have. All people, everywhere, do bad things. Christians are no exception. Are you suggesting that Christians should still be thought of in the context of hundreds and thousands of years ago instead of in light of the good work they are doing today?

Or do you deny completely that Christians provide humanitarian aid to those in need? Because THAT is the bulk of my claim.

Do you?

From the BP’s subtley hateful Q&A:

– What is a civil union?
Civil unions provide same-sex couples most or all of the legal benefits of marriage, without using the term “marriage.” Vermont is the only state with civil unions. California has domestic partnerships, which are similar. Some of the marriage amendments ban civil unions and domestic partnerships.

No further elaboration on that one. In other words, that was a tacit endorsement of denying loving gay couples any of the rights straight couples enjoy.

Yeppers. Only a true humanitarian would throw in with this loving crowd.

Frank: it’s hate and bigotry like this that make people like Lya simply say “LIAR” when Xians spout on about what lovers of humanity they are.