Comments on: Can I get a witness? http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jenna http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4970 Jenna Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:50:31 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4970 I would think bashing is more an irrational, angry and bigoted reaction to an aspect of a person that they don't have a choice in: gay-bashing, for example. The gay people I've known (and I live in San Francisco) have never explained to me that they've consciously chosen their orientation. Race-bashing is another example, as one can't help what their race is. Gender-bashing, for another. Bashing to me seems an inappropriate and immature way to deal with differences in humanity. Adults with religious beliefs, however, do have a choice in what they believe. One of *my* beliefs is that individuals have a human right to chose what to put their faith in, and to reserve that process for their own *personal, internal* life: i.e. they have no right to step outside the personal line to push, advertise, pressure, force, make laws, threaten, torture, murder, etc. in order to push their beliefs on me in any way. Of course, this belief of mine can be criticized, but I would think that any criticism would suggest that no one has any right to their own beliefs-- including the critic's. If I am to criticize (not "bash") any belief, it's usually for the benefit of logic, maturity, rationality, reality, education, critical thinking, and science. I do call certain people idiots, but they have to be damn stupid to generate that response-- and my interest is more the goal of educating and promoting critical thought than anything. A FAQ would be great :) I would think bashing is more an irrational, angry and bigoted reaction to an aspect of a person that they don’t have a choice in: gay-bashing, for example. The gay people I’ve known (and I live in San Francisco) have never explained to me that they’ve consciously chosen their orientation. Race-bashing is another example, as one can’t help what their race is. Gender-bashing, for another. Bashing to me seems an inappropriate and immature way to deal with differences in humanity.

Adults with religious beliefs, however, do have a choice in what they believe. One of *my* beliefs is that individuals have a human right to chose what to put their faith in, and to reserve that process for their own *personal, internal* life: i.e. they have no right to step outside the personal line to push, advertise, pressure, force, make laws, threaten, torture, murder, etc. in order to push their beliefs on me in any way. Of course, this belief of mine can be criticized, but I would think that any criticism would suggest that no one has any right to their own beliefs– including the critic’s.

If I am to criticize (not “bash”) any belief, it’s usually for the benefit of logic, maturity, rationality, reality, education, critical thinking, and science. I do call certain people idiots, but they have to be damn stupid to generate that response– and my interest is more the goal of educating and promoting critical thought than anything.

A FAQ would be great :)

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By: Hellbound Alleee http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4869 Hellbound Alleee Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:56:40 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4869 I say, go right ahead and "bash" christians. Consider, of course, what it means to "bash" christianity in a blog as opposed to what the word really means, a la "gay bashing." No, gay bashing doesn't mean criticizing gays in a blog. So Christians should just consider it part of being a christian--being criticized by those who don't believe in their malarky. It says it right in their nonsense scriptures. So, no, there is no "christian bashing" here. Even if I say they are stupid and delusional. I know bashing. I've seen the results of bashing. And this ain't bashing. I say, go right ahead and “bash” christians. Consider, of course, what it means to “bash” christianity in a blog as opposed to what the word really means, a la “gay bashing.” No, gay bashing doesn’t mean criticizing gays in a blog. So Christians should just consider it part of being a christian–being criticized by those who don’t believe in their malarky. It says it right in their nonsense scriptures.

So, no, there is no “christian bashing” here. Even if I say they are stupid and delusional. I know bashing. I’ve seen the results of bashing. And this ain’t bashing.

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By: BruceH http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4865 BruceH Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:57:11 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4865 Maybe instead of a FAQ, Ron could just post some of the better proslytizing posts and rip it to shreads on the front page. That would be good reading! Maybe instead of a FAQ, Ron could just post some of the better proslytizing posts and rip it to shreads on the front page.

That would be good reading!

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By: Al Pritch http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4840 Al Pritch Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:13:01 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4840 I fell upon your blog and I fucking love it. There is no war on Christmas. I write a column for the Daily Kent Stater at Kent State and wrote a column this past semester about atheism....It's good to see people out there who aren't too afraid to talk about their beliefs because some people might call them an "evil devil worshiper." Keep on keeping on... I fell upon your blog and I fucking love it. There is no war on Christmas.

I write a column for the Daily Kent Stater at Kent State and wrote a column this past semester about atheism….It’s good to see people out there who aren’t too afraid to talk about their beliefs because some people might call them an “evil devil worshiper.”

Keep on keeping on…

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By: Lya http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4680 Lya Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:42:56 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4680 Let me know if you need help, Ron. During the week I'm available. Let me know if you need help, Ron. During the week I’m available.

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By: Ron http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4673 Ron Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:04:12 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4673 I should say, I'd been thinking about this recently, but it was email from Lya making a similar suggestion that push me off my fat lazy ass to do something. Thanks, Lya. I should say, I’d been thinking about this recently, but it was email from Lya making a similar suggestion that push me off my fat lazy ass to do something. Thanks, Lya.

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By: Rockstar Ryan http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4670 Rockstar Ryan Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:44:18 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4670 <b>Ron</b>, that was bee - e - a - you - tiful. If you need help with the FAQ please let me know. <b>Chuck S.</b>: Bashing someone because they believe I deserve to burn for eternity for not having faith Throm the Merciless was sent by Gorlock the Mighty to die for my sins and bashing someone for being a particular race are two completely different things. No one can help being born with blue eyes, but they can stop believing in sky gods...some of them, that is... And it's not really the people we're bashing; it's the fanatacism. Ron, that was bee – e – a – you – tiful. If you need help with the FAQ please let me know.

Chuck S.: Bashing someone because they believe I deserve to burn for eternity for not having faith Throm the Merciless was sent by Gorlock the Mighty to die for my sins and bashing someone for being a particular race are two completely different things. No one can help being born with blue eyes, but they can stop believing in sky gods…some of them, that is…

And it’s not really the people we’re bashing; it’s the fanatacism.

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By: Lya http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/12/17/can-i-get-a-witness/comment-page-1/#comment-4667 Lya Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:12:40 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1460#comment-4667 You know I agree Ron! You know I agree Ron!

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