http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/09/14/pledge-ii-this-time-theres-standing/ THIS BLOG IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. We've retired this blog, but the GifS gang is now active at Atheist Oasis (atheistoasis.wordpress.com). Visit us there! Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:44:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/09/14/pledge-ii-this-time-theres-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-1893 Frank Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:53:11 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1267#comment-1893 I agree wholeheartedly with Matt. The pledge (written by a socialist) was designed to foster a blind obedience to the state. It is not patriotic at all but, rather, nationalistic. I agree wholeheartedly with Matt. The pledge (written by a socialist) was designed to foster a blind obedience to the state. It is not patriotic at all but, rather, nationalistic.

]]> http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/09/14/pledge-ii-this-time-theres-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-1892 matt Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:46:07 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1267#comment-1892 I think they're taking the wrong approach. Being forced to say the pledge at all, with or without those words, is coerced patriotism and a violation of the First Amendment. They usually say "but students don't have to say the pledge", but everyone knows that's bunk-what kid wants to be singled out, mocked, pointed to, etc. because they have the backbone to refuse to say it? I think they’re taking the wrong approach. Being forced to say the pledge at all, with or without those words, is coerced patriotism and a violation of the First Amendment. They usually say “but students don’t have to say the pledge”, but everyone knows that’s bunk-what kid wants to be singled out, mocked, pointed to, etc. because they have the backbone to refuse to say it?

]]> http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/09/14/pledge-ii-this-time-theres-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-1889 Sean Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:55:13 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1267#comment-1889 P.S.: <a href="http://www.victorycheese.com/2005/09/amen-to-that.html" rel="nofollow">Here's one for the bumper sticker crowd</a>. Enjoy. P.S.: Here’s one for the bumper sticker crowd. Enjoy.

]]> http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2005/09/14/pledge-ii-this-time-theres-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-1887 Sean Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:42:07 +0000 http://gods4suckers.net/?p=1267#comment-1887 What pisses me off is that we have so many larger issues in this country, like the Iraq war, employment and the deficit, but this argument could overshadow those discussions well into the 2006 election season -- just like gay marriage did in '04. It's not that I don't believe we should have this debate, but church-and-state separatists, and equal rights proponents, are being used to simplify and polarize the arguments so the right can win again and again on these so-called values issues. It sucks. I don't want the next election to be overshadowed by this issue or any other simplified, polarizing issue. I want it to be about what is actually happening to this country. Eegads. What pisses me off is that we have so many larger issues in this country, like the Iraq war, employment and the deficit, but this argument could overshadow those discussions well into the 2006 election season — just like gay marriage did in ‘04. It’s not that I don’t believe we should have this debate, but church-and-state separatists, and equal rights proponents, are being used to simplify and polarize the arguments so the right can win again and again on these so-called values issues. It sucks. I don’t want the next election to be overshadowed by this issue or any other simplified, polarizing issue. I want it to be about what is actually happening to this country. Eegads.

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