Archive for June, 2005

Atheists of the world, unite!

15 June 2005 by Ron

The folks from Atheist Revolution, The Evangelical Atheist and Freethought Weekly just launched a new site called AtheismOnline.com, meant to serve as a hub for atheists on the web, including forums, chat, and a directory of sites by, for and about atheists, suggested by members. Looks like a good thing; give ‘em a look.

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Can you feel the hate tonight?

15 June 2005 by Ron

“Feeling the hate with the National Religious Broadcasters” is a very nice piece from the May 2005 Harpers by Chris Hedges, who does a great job of putting his finger on some of the increased hatred pouring out of the religious right toward those of us not quite ready for the rapture. Here are a few samples to get you over there:

Since the reelection of George W. Bush in November, the rhetoric on the Christian right has grown triumphal and proud; rumors of spiritual war are abroad in the heartland, and fervent whispers of revolution echo among the pews and folding chairs of the nation’s megachurches….

[NRB President Frank] Wright promises the [NRB meeting] audience that as the new president of NRB he will fight to block the passage of hate-crime legislation, something many Christian broadcasters fear might be used to halt their attacks on gays and lesbians. “We will fight the Fairness Doctrine, tooth and nail. It could be the end of Christian broadcasting as we know it if we do not.” The preachers that follow… pound home the theme of persecution by “secular humanists” who want to destroy the values and faith of “Bible-believing Christians.”

[Another speaker, Christian radio host James MacDonald] quotes liberally from the Book of Revelation, the only place in the New Testament where Jesus (arguably) endorses violence and calls for vengeance against nonbelievers. It is, along with the apocalyptic visions of St. Paul, the movement’s go-to text. Rarely mentioned these days is the Jesus of the four Gospels, the Jesus who speaks of the poor and the marginalized, who taught followers to turn the other cheek and love their enemies, the Jesus who rejected the mantle of secular power… “Out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, and with it he can strike the nations. He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty God”… Then, in a lisping, limp-wristed imitation of liberals, he mocks, to laughter and applause, those who want to “share” and be sensitive to the needs of others….

A decades-long refusal to engage in politics at all following the Scopes trial has been replaced by a call for Christian “dominion” over the nation… America becomes, in this militant biblicism, an agent of God, and all political and intellectual opponents of America’s Christian leaders are viewed, quite simply, as agents of Satan…

[Harvard Divinity School Professor] Dr. James Luther Adams [warned] that when we were his age, and he was then close to eighty, we would all be fighting the “Christian fascists.” He gave us that warning twenty-five years ago… At the time, it was hard to take such fantastic rhetoric seriously. But fascism, Adams warned, would not return wearing swastikas and brown shirts. Its ideological inheritors would cloak themselves in the language of the Bible; they would come carrying crosses and chanting the Pledge of Allegiance.

Lots more where those came from; go give it a read. (Thanks to The Revealer for the link.)

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Does God want me to burn in hell forever?

9 June 2005 by Ron

In a little back-and-forth over at UselessKnowledge.com, Matt Dillahunty posts a nice little rant, in part in response to the question of whether God “wants” anybody to go to hell. This is a question that’s been in play in discussion here at GifS from time to time; I of course have said many time that the suggestion that (in Make-Believe God-World) God doesn’t “condemn” people to hell is ludicrous. I am (in MBGW) condemned for my disbelief, and that is how God thinks it should be . Hey, otherwise, he’d change the rules, no?

Anyway, I enjoyed Matt’s post Christian Dogma Is Simple; whet your appetite here, and go read the rest.

[God-lover Skip says that] “God does not suggest anyone “deserves” eternal torture. He has spent his entire relationship with men trying to keep them from that fate.”

I’m not sure which particular denomination you ascribe to, but as a Christian you’re either mistaken, or lying. According to Christian dogma, God most definitely does suggest that all humans deserve eternal torture. It’s the punishment for original sin. Without that edict, the crucifixion and resurrection become meaningless.

You’re clumsily trying to avoid the contradiction, but it’s not possible. Christian dogma is simple: – God creates humans who don’t know right from wrong.

  • Humans learn the difference by eating a piece of fruit.
  • God says this was ‘bad’ (despite the fact that they wouldn’t have known what ‘bad’ was until after eating the fruit)
  • God declares that they will be banished from Eden and forfeit any chance at eternal life.
  • There is no concept of an afterlife or discussion of salvation for many many many many years (the entire Old Testament).
  • Jesus shows up and teaches people that there’s an afterlife and an additional punishment for that ‘Apple’ incident…Eternal Torture
  • Jesus is ’sacrificed’ to save people from the eternal torture he created

Christian doctrine is clear and many verses specifically back up the same concept: Everyone deserves eternal torture but God loves us so much that he really doesn’t want to torture us, even though we deserve it, even though he invented it, so he’s offering a way to avoid the torture.

I’m sure some pals of I-Daddy will whine about the Bible interpretation. But it pretty much sums up the idiocy about this topic.

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FYI

1 June 2005 by Bob

Boy, 7, Suspected in Tot’s Beating Death

A 7-year-old boy beat his baby half-sister to death with his fists, feet and a two-by-four because he was jealous of the attention the girl was receiving and because she would not stop crying, police said Wednesday. [...] Seven-month-old Jayza Laney Simms was dead on arrival at the hospital where her parents rushed her.

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