Archive for January, 2004

Senator Joe and the “public square” revisited

10 January 2004 by Ron

In a recent Democratic Presidential Radio Debate, Joe “It’s the same God! Really!” Leiberman was asked about his bullshit use of the “freedom of religion, not freedom from religion” buzz-phrase that theocrats love so. He tries to weasel out of its offensiveness. Here’s the exchange:

[Question] “You’ve said in the past that separation of church and state means freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. How do atheists and secularists fit into that vision of American spirituality?”

Leiberman: Thanks very much for asking that question. This is a difference between individual behavior and the public square. And the point — the great point of the First Amendment is that it protects every individual’s right to worship or not worship, as they choose. I always through it was a remarkable, a brilliant act of principle when in the Declaration of Independence Jefferson wrote and the others signed that there were self-evident truths that we all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as an endowment from our creator. And one of those rights in America is not to believe in the creator if you don’t want to. What I meant about freedom of religion in that sense and not freedom from religion is that there’s been too much of an attempt, and too often from members of my party, to feel uncomfortable talking about faith or to try to exclude faith or expressions of it from the public square. The fact is, in America we’re the most religiously observant in our individual lives nation probably in the whole world, and we are the most religiously tolerant.”

Two comments: (a) Did somebody point out to him how offensive the “freedom of religion, not freedom from religion” canard is, and tell him to back-pedal out without losing the godsters? (b) I count two rapid-fire uses of the code-phrase “public square” here (see my earlier comment on this code-phrase). Does anybody seriously doubt the “we’re for theocracy” code status of this now?

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Politics and secularism

8 January 2004 by Glenn

A nice op-ed from today’s New York Times: One Nation, Under Secularism

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Is America a Biblical Nation?

4 January 2004 by Kimberly

Here’s an interesting article regarding the supposedly Biblical foundation of American government.
Is America a Biblical Nation?

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This week’s scripture: Scat with God

4 January 2004 by Ron

Yeah, I know, no scripture last Sunday. I was out of town. Let the Lord strike me down.

This week, a lovely passage on scat games between priests and God, from Malachi 2, verses 1-3:

(1)And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. (2) If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. (3) Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

And we wonder why they fondle little boys.

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Howie and Jesus

1 January 2004 by Ron

Howard Dean is trying to cozy up to Jesus. In “Seeking a new emphasis, Dean touts his Christianity“, we hear that Dean (who’s married to a Jew and has 2 kids who count themselves Jews, and who doesn’t even go to his Vermont Congregationalist Church), “described himself in an interview with the Globe as a committed believer in Jesus Christ and said he expects to increasingly include references to Jesus and God in his speeches as he stumps in the South”. But not, I guess, in the North, where we’s not so ig’nrent. As the Globe piece points out, “An ABC/Washington Post poll released this week showed that 46 percent of Southerners said a president should rely on his religious beliefs in making policy decisions, compared with 40 percent nationwide and 28 percent in the East.”

C’mon Howie, you’ve shown some balls so far; don’t go wimpy on us. Quit licking the Jesus ass hole, and stand up straight. It’s not like he’s going totally Bushie/Xian on us, but for those of us outside the Xian mainstream, we might have hoped for better from a guy who seems like he knows better. But, for example, he doesn’t mind spouting off things like this:

[At] an appearance at an African-American church in Columbia, S.C.,.. before nearly 100 parishioners, Dean said in a rhythmic tone notably different from his usual stampede through policy points, “In this house of the Lord, we know that the power rests in God’s hands and in Jesus’ hands for helping us. But the power also is on this, God’s earth — Remember Jesus said, `Render unto God those things that are God’s but unto Caesar those things that are Caesar’s,’ ” a reference to Jesus’ admonition that the secular and religious remain separate.

I’m fine with the last line; but I could do without this bullshit pandering. Be a man, Howie.

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Even the right-wing Xians can balk at “persecution”

1 January 2004 by Ron

Even Richard Mouw, right-wing Xian and author of BeliefNet’s “The Evangelical Mind” column, thinks that David (”Brother of Rush the Big Fat Idiot) Limbaugh is a big whiner. Check out his little chiding of DL’s Persecution here: A Persecution Complex

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